Speculations Is there any doubt that the “certain pirate” Shanks was telling the Gorosei about was Luffy?

[Paperchampion23]

As if he knew shanks is still suffering from PTSD that he will go to wano just for BB 🤣🤣🤣



Or it can simply means BB lineage is big deal and shanks want WG to know what they are about to face....


It's just like WB thing - shanks warned him that BB will come for WB territories.


Nothing to do with Shanks being evil

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Shanks fans are something else


They want him to be Fv instead of WG or BB when he actually has no buildup for it... just because their headcannon...

No wonder they still thinks shanks is hakiman 🤣🤣🤣

The WG literally enslaves and genocides people, destroys entire islands with secret weapons, and employs a very OUT in the open hierarchy of "god" vs human mentality.

Why would Shanks telling them anything be viewed as anything remotely altruistic? Why would Blackbeard's lineage be any worse than the things these people do openly? Literally the most basic reason that scene exists as a shock to everyone was because it makes almost zero sense for him to have been there in the first place.

Whats weird is that you and a myriad of other people in this fanbase sit here and DONT actually question it, like its completely normal for Shanks to warn the Gorosei of anything and him still being a lovely Gary Stu with no faults.

Sorry but Im not buying it, it is very clear Oda is trying to leave hints about his character not being this perfect pirate. He is clearly a pirate with secrets.

Edit: And before it gets misinterpreted, the above isnt to say Shanks isnt talking about Blackbeard and his lineage, its about the fact that if he's doing it in anyway, then he's clearly not 100% a good person because theres no way the Blackbeard's villainy in this story is any worse than Imu's. The shit the WG does is far more heinous than anything Blackbeard has physically done ever, and it is done out in the open.

 

[Reborn]

The WG literally enslaves and genocides people, destroys entire islands with secret weapons, and employs a very OUT in the open hierarchy of "god" vs human mentality.

Why would Shanks telling them anything be viewed as anything remotely altruistic? Why would Blackbeard's lineage be any worse than the things these people do openly? Literally the most basic reason that scene exists as a shock to everyone was because it makes almost zero sense for him to have been there in the first place.

Whats weird is that you and a myriad of other people in this fanbase sit here and DONT actually question it, like its completely normal for Shanks to warn the Gorosei of anything and him still being a lovely Gary Stu with no faults.

Sorry but Im not buying it, it is very clear Oda is trying to leave hints about his character not being this perfect pirate. He is clearly a pirate with secrets.

Edit: And before it gets misinterpreted, the above isnt to say Shanks isnt talking about Blackbeard and his lineage, its about the fact that if he's doing it in anyway, then he's clearly not 100% a good person because theres no way the Blackbeard's villainy in this story is any worse than Imu's. The shit the WG does is far more heinous than anything Blackbeard has physically done ever, and it is done out in the open.

Him talking about an evil pirate to WG entity doesn't make Shanks evil himself bruh...


I would have bought your argument if he went to snitch on Luffy but he went there for BB (most likely)....a pirate who is personification of darkness and evil.


Don't know how on Earth shanks talking about an evil pirate makes him evil himself 🤦



And, before you say why he went to WG then? Because definitely shanks sees BB as a person who can distrub the World balance for bad cause or turn the world upside down for the bad cause...


I mean he literally protected SNs (Luffy) but when it comes to BB he went to WB...now to WG....this has to do more with BB lineage and how much of a threat shanks consider BB to be rather than shanks is evil

 

[Paperchampion23]

Him talking about an evil pirate to WG entity doesn't make Shanks evil himself bruh...


I would have bought your argument if he went to snitch on Luffy but he went there for BB (most likely)....a pirate who is personification of darkness and evil.


Don't know how on Earth shanks talking about an evil pirate makes him evil himself 🤦



And, before you say why he went to WG then? Because definitely shanks sees BB as a person who can distrub the World balance for bad cause or turn the world upside down for the bad cause...


I mean he literally protected SNs (Luffy) but when it comes to BB he went to WB...now to WG....this has to do more with BB lineage and how much of a threat shanks consider BB to be rather than shanks is evil

Its funny how you just gloss over my entire comment and completely ignore the fact that he went and talked to someone like Saturn who thinks its completely OK with killing Kuma and Bonney and wiping out an entire island due to what they know. No, there is nothing that shows Blackbeards "evil" supercedes anything the world government has not already done out in the open. The objective fact that he was there by himself already supports something is wrong with him. Regardless if the conversation is about Luffy or Blackbeard or someone else.

And no shit, it is very clear he is protecting Luffy for a reason, because he needs him somewhere at the right time. The dude literally waited to proclaim going after One Piece UNTIL he saw Luffy's bounty poster.

Believe what you want lol, but it isnt going the cookie cutter way you think its going

 

[Reborn]

Its funny how you just gloss over my entire comment and completely ignore the fact that he went and talked to someone like Saturn who thinks its completely OK with killing Kuma and Bonney and wiping out an entire island due to what they know. No, there is nothing that shows Blackbeards "evil" supercedes anything the world government has not already done out in the open. The objective fact that he was there by himself already supports something is wrong with him. Regardless if the conversation is about Luffy or Blackbeard or someone else.

And no shit, it is very clear he is protecting Luffy for a reason, because he needs him somewhere at the right time. The dude literally waited to proclaim going after One Piece UNTIL he saw Luffy's bounty poster.

Believe what you want lol, but it isnt going the cookie cutter way you think its going

See, you are saying all of this as a reader.


But does shanks know what happened 800 years ago or what Saturn did to Bonney or Kuma? No he doesn't....

Obviously What WG did supersedes BB but does shanks is aware of what WG actually did? No.... To him, it's BB who pose big threa

Shanks literally tried to protect Ace...he saved Luffy..

Yes, he claimed to go after one piece but funny thing is that also coincided with the downfall of kaido and BM - opening gate for others but his first act after that was to protect Luffy and corner BB if he comes to wano .

The only exception he has ever made is against BB....BB is the only exception when shanks specifically moved against him to warn others about him


Your whole notion about Shanks is bad stems from he ratted bb to WG.... snitching about an evil pirate to an evil oganisation and somehow you concluded that shanks is bad lmao

 

[Paperchampion23]

See, you are saying all of this as a reader.

Yes, because thats what you do as a reader and an author communicates those things to a reader....like how especially shocking the scene is.

But does shanks know what happened 800 years ago or what Saturn did to Bonney or Kuma? No he doesn't....

But he does know of the World Government's open slavery, how the Tenryuubito openly kill people on a whim, how they antagonize and engage Luffy, and about Ohara, which is all public information, not a secret.

So again, what is your point?

Obviously What WG did supersedes BB but does shanks is aware of what WG actually did? No.... To him, it's BB who pose big threa

Take what I just said above and add it to this comment you just made. Shanks isnt an idiot.

Shanks literally tried to protect Ace...he saved Luffy..

He tried to stop a war, yes. He is a harbinger of peace. That does not mean he doesnt have ulterior motives. The World Government is not a harbinger of peace.

Yes, he claimed to go after one piece but funny thing is that also coincided with the downfall of kaido and BM - opening gate for others but his first act after that was to protect Luffy and corner BB if he comes to wano .

His proclamation to go after One Piece and protecting Luffy from Blackbeard quite literally have nothing to do with each other. He pulled the exact same thing against Ryokugyuu saying you dont go after Sprouts when they just had a huge battle.

Compare what he says here:

To here regarding Kid (when he was entirely okay with wiping him, top left of the page):

The only exception he has ever made is against BB....BB is the only exception when shanks specifically moved against him to warn others about him

The disdain Shanks has for Blackbeard isnt even being discussed here lol. That still does not erase the fact that Shanks clearly has ulterior motives. Saturn HATES the Blackbeard pirates, it doesnt make Saturn any more redeemable.

Your whole notion about Shanks is bad stems from he ratted bb to WG.... snitching about an evil pirate to an evil oganisation and somehow you concluded that shanks is bad lmao

No it stems from a lot of other aspects that ive discussed with you and others ad nauseum, you can go to the 3 year old topic I made in my sig, which doesnt even discuss any post Wano topics so...

But the fact that you even call Shanks a "rat" like it deflects or absolves him from any uterior motives or connection to the "evil organization" is just frankly weird. Like....thats your only defense against the scene? He tattled on one pirate to an evil entity and it means he's good because of it? Make that logic make sense lmao

 

[Durableguy]

There's clearly something worse about Blackbeard than the WG that made Shanks so worried that he talked to the WG about it.

 

[Paperchampion23]

There's clearly something worse about Blackbeard than the WG that made Shanks so worried that he talked to the WG about it.

Worse than Genocide, slavery, and destroying entire islands with an unknown weapons and raising the entire global sea level of due to it?

Even if there is, ANY conversation Shanks has to preserve the WGs integrity from Blackbeard does not absolve Shanks from even being there in the first place.

Saturn didnt even know their motive anyway, so I doubt it was about that topic of Blackbeard doing something "worse".

 

[Durableguy]

Worse than Genocide, slavery, and destroying entire islands with an unknown weapons and raising the entire global sea level of due to it?

Even if there is, ANY conversation Shanks has to preserve the WGs integrity from Blackbeard does not absolve Shanks from even being there in the first place.

Saturn didnt even know their motive anyway, so I doubt it was about that topic of Blackbeard doing something "worse".

Shanks didn't know about the mother flame.

And honestly. Imagine a world of nothing but chaos ruled by pirates.

That actually might be worse than the WG.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Shanks didn't know about the mother flame.

And honestly. Imagine a world of nothing but chaos ruled by pirates.

That actually might be worse than the WG.

Shanks didn't know about Mother Flame, but he still knows about Ohara, Slavery, Tenryuubito, and mass atrocities the WG commits all the time. He's not an idiot lol.

And I dont agree about that last point but again, its not "really" the point being made here. Warning an evil about another evil does not absolve him of any wrongdoing, thats just him preserving one evil over another (which is why I doubt it was Blackbeard being discussed anyway but sure anyone can make a case for it). Any reason to talk to the Gorosei in secret as a pirate about another pirate is just plain off.

This is very different to how Cobra was treated and murdered not long after Shanks left himself!

 

[Reborn]

Yes, because thats what you do as a reader and an author communicates those things to a reader....like how especially shocking the scene is.


But he does know of the World Government's open slavery, how the Tenryuubito openly kill people on a whim, how they antagonize and engage Luffy, and about Ohara, which is all public information, not a secret.

So again, what is your point?


Take what I just said above and add it to this comment you just made. Shanks isnt an idiot.



He tried to stop a war, yes. He is a harbinger of peace. That does not mean he doesnt have ulterior motives. The World Government is not a harbinger of peace.


His proclamation to go after One Piece and protecting Luffy from Blackbeard quite literally have nothing to do with each other. He pulled the exact same thing against Ryokugyuu saying you dont go after Sprouts when they just had a huge battle.

Compare what he says here:

To here regarding Kid (when he was entirely okay with wiping him, top left of the page):

The disdain Shanks has for Blackbeard isnt even being discussed here lol. That still does not erase the fact that Shanks clearly has ulterior motives. Saturn HATES the Blackbeard pirates, it doesnt make Saturn any more redeemable.


No it stems from a lot of other aspects that ive discussed with you and others ad nauseum, you can go to the 3 year old topic I made in my sig, which doesnt even discuss any post Wano topics so...

But the fact that you even call Shanks a "rat" like it deflects or absolves him from any uterior motives or connection to the "evil organization" is just frankly weird. Like....thats your only defense against the scene? He tattled on one pirate to an evil entity and it means he's good because of it? Make that logic make sense lmao

Bruh

I got what you are trying to say but you are just over analysing things.


Shanks went to WB to tell him that he should stop Ace from going after BB.

Shanks warn WB that BB will come after his territories.

Why shanks even cared to do that? Don't tell me it's because he cared about WB...NO it's because he knows something about BB that sends shiver down his spine.

And, we know All of that happened as shanks anticipated.


It's clear shanks know something about BB which makes him see BB as huge threat. A mere scar won't cut the deal here.

So, shanks going to WG is exactly in line with what he did earlier because he can feel that BB might come after WG now to turn upside down for some selfish cause.


His actions doesn't reflect how shanks is but how much of a threat he consider BB to be that he is willing to talk about him to Gorosei.


That's all there is to it... nothing more as you think because of over analysis

 

[Paperchampion23]

Bruh

I got what you are trying to say but you are just over analysing things.


Shanks went to WB to tell him that he should stop Ace from going after BB.

Shanks warn WB that BB will come after his territories.

Why shanks even cared to do that? Don't tell me it's because he cared about WB...NO it's because he knows something about BB that sends shiver down his spine.

And, we know All of that happened as shanks anticipated.


It's clear shanks know something about BB which makes him see BB as huge threat. A mere scar won't cut the deal here.

So, shanks going to WG is exactly in line with what he did earlier because he can feel that BB might come after WG now to turn upside down for some selfish cause.


His actions doesn't reflect how shanks is but how much of a threat he consider BB to be that he is willing to talk about him to Gorosei.


That's all there is to it... nothing more as you think because of over analysis

The fact that you have to default to my responses to you as "over analysis" just tells me you have nothing useful to say on the subject because you have deluded yourself into thinking Shanks' ONLY narrative importance is to Blackbeard and not anyone else in this story lol.

Whitebeard is not a mass murdering, genocidal maniacal organization. He warned Whitebeard to prevent war and needless death. The World Government responds to all threats with war and violence. They sent 100 ships to Egghead to annihilate it. You cant even be sure he's talking about Blackbeard to the Gorosei, but its the thing you are rolling with.

Like I said, Saturn doesnt even know what the Blackbeard Pirates want, so can you actually "truly" be sure Shanks went there to warn them of anything related to him?

 

[JoNdule]

Oda just repeats stuff :

Shanks warns Emperor WB about Teach coming for his soot
Shanks warns Gorosei about Teach coming for their spots

Teach did take Newgate spot and will overtake Gorosei

Both Imu and Teach are the last main villains of this final saga. That's why Oda has been making both Imu & Gorosei and BBP make so many moves lately
Last saga was about BM and Kaido.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Oda just repeats stuff :

Shanks warns Emperor WB about Teach coming for his soot
Shanks warns Gorosei about Teach coming for their spots

Literally these 2 things are not equal. If Shanks warned the WG about Blackbeard (as if for some reason, they didnt just see everything he did at Impel Down and Marineford 2 years prior and doesnt know his notoriety as a Yonko lol), this is not remotely the same thing as trying to save Ace's life and stopping Whitebeard from starting a needless war.

The 2 things have nothing to do with each other, again, even IF you sacrifice all logic and think Shanks is warning the WG about Blackbeard, a person who is a Yonko already and started a war and killed Whitebeard and stole his power.

 

[Reborn]

The fact that you have to default to my responses to you as "over analysis" just tells me you have nothing useful to say on the subject because you have deluded yourself into thinking Shanks' ONLY narrative importance is to Blackbeard and not anyone else in this story lol.

Whitebeard is not a mass murdering, genocidal maniacal organization. He warned Whitebeard to prevent war and needless death. The World Government responds to all threats with war and violence. They sent 100 ships to Egghead to annihilate it. You cant even be sure he's talking about Blackbeard to the Gorosei, but its the thing you are rolling with.

Like I said, Saturn doesnt even know what the Blackbeard Pirates want, so can you actually "truly" be sure Shanks went there to warn them of anything related to him?

First, I already said what I wanted to say to you and yes you are overanalyzing this whole shanks stuff. You just don't wanna admit but you did overanalyze it

Second, I didn't say shanks only narrative point is BB. He hold lot of significance and I am not arguing against it but what's fact is BB is very important to shanks narrative. It's an important piece without which shanks narrative won't resolve.


Yes, WG isn't like WB. But that's not the point here.

Point here is Shanks did warn about BB before.

Last time he warned WB - the man who was seen as the pirate who rivaled Roger. The top pirate.

This time he did to WG - an entity who is highest authority.

Ofcourse, WG isn't good. But whole point is it's evil vs evil when it comes to WG vs BB... darkness vs darkness.. And, the one who will benefit from this is Luffy who is the the light.


And, Saturn now knows what Bbp wants - The world.

See, oda made it clear what BB wants and this set him on course against WG

And, of course, it's possible that shanks went there to talk about someone else...But we are arguing on the basis of an assumption that he went to talk about BB - who is mostly likely that person

 

[Paperchampion23]

First, I already said what I wanted to say to you and yes you are overanalyzing this whole shanks stuff. You just don't wanna admit but you did overanalyze it

You blanket responsed my entire post with its an "over analysis" when all that was frankly stated was Shanks talking to the Gorosei as a pirate allows the reader to question his motives lol. You disagree with the subject, thats not an "over analysis". Oda made it a shocking doublespread for a reason and even the editor wrote "what is he doing here?" To exemplify the confusion the reader should have.

Second, I didn't say shanks only narrative point is BB. He hold lot of significance and I am not arguing against it but what's fact is BB is very important to shanks narrative. It's an important piece without which shanks narrative won't resolve.

Of course its a very important piece of his narrative, but like I said (and you seem to agree with it), its not his only narrative importance, so the person discussed doesnt have to be Blackbeard.

But that STILL doesnt change the fact he talked to them.

Yes, WG isn't like WB. But that's not the point here.

Yes it is?

Point here is Shanks did warn about BB before.

Last time he warned WB - the man who was seen as the pirate who rivaled Roger. The top pirate.

Once again, comparing Whitebeard to the fucking Gorosei is so horribly unjustified its not even funny lol. Whitebeard, narratively, is a good person. The Gorosei, narratively, are not.

This time he did to WG - an entity who is highest authority.

Ofcourse, WG isn't good. But whole point is it's evil vs evil when it comes to WG vs BB... darkness vs darkness.. And, the one who will benefit from this is Luffy who is the the light.

And why would he need to warn the WG about Blackbeard when Blackbeard literally started a war, killed Whitebeard and became a Yonko? Whats there to warn? He's already a threat to them, this literally has nothing to do with Luffy lol.

And, Saturn now knows what Bbp wants - The world.

Which was found out this past chapter bro, not when Shanks spoke to them lol

See, oda made it clear what BB wants and this set him on course against WG

Im really not sure what the point of sharing these pages is supposed to signify to me lol. Like no shit I know what he wants. The point is Saturn didnt know until he asked Van Auger.

And, of course, it's possible that shanks went there to talk about someone else...But we are arguing on the basis of an assumption that he went to talk about BB - who is mostly likely that person

And on that basis is the pure fact that if thats the case, Shanks warning one evil about another evil doesnt ABSOLVE him of any wrongdoing.

Come on dude.....downplaying this is ridiculous. Its okay for Blackbeard to want to be King of the World, The WG wanting destroy all threats to them, and Shanks ALSO having ulterior motives. The issue is you dont want the latter to happen because it might harm your mentality on what "needs" to happen to Shanks via Blackbeard.

 

[Natalija]

And why would he need to warn the WG about Blackbeard when Blackbeard literally started a war, killed Whitebeard and became a Yonko? Whats there to warn? He's already a threat to them, this literally has nothing to do with Luffy lol.

Honestly at this point it's nonsensical to warn them about Blackbeard or Luffy. They were both prominent figures during the war, so the WG is fully aware that they're dangerous.

If it was indeed about Luffy, then I'm not sure why the government didn't know about Nika fruit already. I do not think Shanks told them that.

 

[Nadel]

BB is most likely

 

[Durableguy]

BB is most likely

Did you quote me?

 

[Paperchampion23]

Honestly at this point it's nonsensical to warn them about Blackbeard or Luffy. They were both prominent figures during the war, so the WG is fully aware that they're dangerous.

If it was indeed about Luffy, then I'm not sure why the government didn't know about Nika fruit already. I do not think Shanks told them that.

Yep, imo last chapter killed the idea of it being Blackbeard to me because Saturn still had to ask them what their goals even were. If it were regarding his lineage (assuming Saturn just didnt know after he ate 2 DFs), why did Shanks wait 2 years to disclose it? Why does that warrant a private conversation with them anyway?

And the only way I see it being Luffy is if he were some mustache twirly villain looking to "Aizen" Luffy at a key point, which isnt something I see anymore or even what Im saying about the character, at least not in a way that is superficial or in the least, less complex than I would think it is. He clearly didnt tell them about Nika, because it took observations from about Zunisha showing up to make them guess it. That said, what I said in my first response in this thread, the timing from seeing Luffy's bounty poster to talking to the Gorosei is VERY odd, so it could still mean something.

I do think Shanks needs Luffy for something, that much is clear, and he does have his own goals for the new Era (as Oda has stated). It does not, however, have to be "pure evil" or "wrong" per se, just that his goals with Luffy just might not align. Thats really it.

 

[Shiroyru]

Yes, because thats what you do as a reader and an author communicates those things to a reader....like how especially shocking the scene is.


But he does know of the World Government's open slavery, how the Tenryuubito openly kill people on a whim, how they antagonize and engage Luffy, and about Ohara, which is all public information, not a secret.

So again, what is your point?


Take what I just said above and add it to this comment you just made. Shanks isnt an idiot.



He tried to stop a war, yes. He is a harbinger of peace. That does not mean he doesnt have ulterior motives. The World Government is not a harbinger of peace.


His proclamation to go after One Piece and protecting Luffy from Blackbeard quite literally have nothing to do with each other. He pulled the exact same thing against Ryokugyuu saying you dont go after Sprouts when they just had a huge battle.

Compare what he says here:

To here regarding Kid (when he was entirely okay with wiping him, top left of the page):

The disdain Shanks has for Blackbeard isnt even being discussed here lol. That still does not erase the fact that Shanks clearly has ulterior motives. Saturn HATES the Blackbeard pirates, it doesnt make Saturn any more redeemable.


No it stems from a lot of other aspects that ive discussed with you and others ad nauseum, you can go to the 3 year old topic I made in my sig, which doesnt even discuss any post Wano topics so...

But the fact that you even call Shanks a "rat" like it deflects or absolves him from any uterior motives or connection to the "evil organization" is just frankly weird. Like....thats your only defense against the scene? He tattled on one pirate to an evil entity and it means he's good because of it? Make that logic make sense lmao

Anyone who claims that Shanks only decided to go after the OP because Crydo and Meme were gone (instead of it being because Nika finally emerged) is fucking retarded and honestly is not worth your time