Powers & Abilities ACoC strength level
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As we remember, the blacksmith said that enma only needs ruoo(coa). As we have seen, enma drew only coa from Zoro. Never having pulled an acoc. According to Zoro, he could die if enma pulls out such amounts of coa. Conclusion, enma can be controlled without acoc, if Zoro infuses a lot of coa (green smoke) HIMSELF, then this is enough for control. Bottom line=enma only needs a lot of ryoo. Zoro can die without using acoc.
If he gives away too much coa, like any other character. I repeat, the blacksmith said that if Zoro had been a simple samurai, he could have died from the fact that enma drew too much coa. Kinemon, having no acoc, was afraid of this sword, realizing that it would kill him. The deadly danger of owning an enma is not related to acoc, but only to ryoo(coa).
If he gives away too much coa, like any other character. I repeat, the blacksmith said that if Zoro had been a simple samurai, he could have died from the fact that enma drew too much coa. Kinemon, having no acoc, was afraid of this sword, realizing that it would kill him. The deadly danger of owning an enma is not related to acoc, but only to ryoo(coa).
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Nope
First the blackSmith doesn't know CoC, none of wano inhabitants knows about
You see that Enma only draws out CoA. KoH being AdCoA + AdCoC shows the contrary
Then ryuo he's the process of flowing your Haki than you can use with both CoA and CoC
Then as we see Zoro's soluce to Enma was releasing everything (CoA and CoC)
Therefore this state CoA + CoC Can Kill him if he use it too long
As for releasing CoA only I Never said ut can't Kill him but rather than when he complained about it in the end was because he released both
First the blackSmith doesn't know CoC, none of wano inhabitants knows about
You see that Enma only draws out CoA. KoH being AdCoA + AdCoC shows the contrary
Then ryuo he's the process of flowing your Haki than you can use with both CoA and CoC
Then as we see Zoro's soluce to Enma was releasing everything (CoA and CoC)
Therefore this state CoA + CoC Can Kill him if he use it too long
As for releasing CoA only I Never said ut can't Kill him but rather than when he complained about it in the end was because he released both
KoH has nothing to do with Enma, this is why you are making this rediculous statements!
You literally see Enma taking CoA and you are told its what it does but your now saying its not because of your headcanon
no, Zoro's monologue was that he cant win while trying to hold Enma back, he then said he will give everything to Enma, and what is that everything, CoA the same haki Enma was taking from Zoro all along.
What he said would kill him is him giving Enma all his CoA
He complained about dying because he will release all his CoA for Enma
How you continue to be delusional and keep pushing rediculous agendas at everything regarding Zoro is beyond me, do you hate Zoro so much that you are willing to lie about everything regarding him...................LoL you are a lost cause
You literally see Enma taking CoA and you are told its what it does but your now saying its not because of your headcanon
no, Zoro's monologue was that he cant win while trying to hold Enma back, he then said he will give everything to Enma, and what is that everything, CoA the same haki Enma was taking from Zoro all along.
What he said would kill him is him giving Enma all his CoA
He complained about dying because he will release all his CoA for Enma
How you continue to be delusional and keep pushing rediculous agendas at everything regarding Zoro is beyond me, do you hate Zoro so much that you are willing to lie about everything regarding him...................LoL you are a lost cause
1 So all the times when enma pulled haki, there was always only coa. Always. 2 2 Acoc appeared when Zoro independently began to give enme and coa and acoc. When the smoke is violet(coa), the haze is only on the enma and it is the enma that pulls out the haki. When haki(coa) is green on three blades, it is Zoro who gives cao(green smoke) on his own. Enma does not need acoc, but only a lot of coa (green haze). Auden didn't know about acoc until he was 30, if Enma had been able to pull out acoc, then Auden would have known about it before meeting Roger. And enma would have pulled acoc out of Zoro back in chapter 955, but there was only coa.
You missed the point I was making. That was, just because two characters can clash evenly it doesn't mean they are equal nor doesn't mean the power that they both possess is equal. There are logical explanations for that. The amount of power used or other ability and power could be the reason.
Luffy didn't only fight Kaido in base mode after he obtained ACoC. Luffy fought Kaido in all his modes except for tankman and he still lost. That was after he lost in base mode the first time, was rescued and given food for energy. Luffy only won because of G5 (awakening) that came out of nowhere. Even with G5, Kaido was dominating the fight the majority of the time. As I stated earlier, nobody in One Piece is strong simply because they have haki and only haki. Everybody has some other power, fighting skill, or ability they use along with haki.
You are the one making everything convoluted. There are 2 important things the manga tells us about CoC.
1 - Characters cannot increase the strength of their CoC by training their CoC. It can only grow stronger by the user growing stronger.
Characters can only train CoC to become better at controlling it.
That means you cannot determine the strength of a character's CoC by how strong they are with their CoC. You have to look at their strength without CoC. The stronger a character is, excluding CoC haki, the stronger their CoC haki is.
That explains why Luffy went from getting his ass kicked to going toe to toe against Kaido just by obtaining ACoC.
2 - The skill to flow and coat thing with CoC is the same skills used to flow and control CoA. It's just applied to CoC, instead of CoA.
That doesn't mean everyone can learn ACoC. But that does explain to us why Luffy and Zoro both obtained ACoC and became skilled at using it quickly.
As you can see, the fact Luffy has more experience with CoC and better at knocking out opponents with it doesn't mean his CoC is stronger or he's more skilled at using ACoC than Zoro.
It's hard for some people to accept that because based on Zoro's rooftop performance and strength Zoro's CoC haki strength is similar to Luffy's.
Luffy didn't only fight Kaido in base mode after he obtained ACoC. Luffy fought Kaido in all his modes except for tankman and he still lost. That was after he lost in base mode the first time, was rescued and given food for energy. Luffy only won because of G5 (awakening) that came out of nowhere. Even with G5, Kaido was dominating the fight the majority of the time. As I stated earlier, nobody in One Piece is strong simply because they have haki and only haki. Everybody has some other power, fighting skill, or ability they use along with haki.
You are the one making everything convoluted. There are 2 important things the manga tells us about CoC.
1 - Characters cannot increase the strength of their CoC by training their CoC. It can only grow stronger by the user growing stronger.
Characters can only train CoC to become better at controlling it.
That means you cannot determine the strength of a character's CoC by how strong they are with their CoC. You have to look at their strength without CoC. The stronger a character is, excluding CoC haki, the stronger their CoC haki is.
That explains why Luffy went from getting his ass kicked to going toe to toe against Kaido just by obtaining ACoC.
2 - The skill to flow and coat thing with CoC is the same skills used to flow and control CoA. It's just applied to CoC, instead of CoA.
That doesn't mean everyone can learn ACoC. But that does explain to us why Luffy and Zoro both obtained ACoC and became skilled at using it quickly.
As you can see, the fact Luffy has more experience with CoC and better at knocking out opponents with it doesn't mean his CoC is stronger or he's more skilled at using ACoC than Zoro.
It's hard for some people to accept that because based on Zoro's rooftop performance and strength Zoro's CoC haki strength is similar to Luffy's.
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You missed the point I was making. That was, just because two characters can clash evenly it doesn't mean they are equal nor doesn't mean the power that they both possess is equal. There are logical explanations for that. The amount of power used or other ability and power could be the reason.
Luffy didn't only fight Kaido in base mode after he obtained ACoC. Luffy fought Kaido in all his modes except for tankman and he still lost. That was after he lost in base mode the first time, was rescued and given food for energy. Luffy only won because of G5 (awakening) that came out of nowhere. Even with G5, Kaido was dominating the fight the majority of the time. As I stated earlier, nobody in One Piece is strong simply because they have haki and only haki. Everybody has some other power, fighting skill, or ability they use along with haki.
You are the one making everything convoluted. There are 2 important things the manga tells us about CoC.
1 - Characters cannot increase the strength of their CoC by training their CoC. It can only grow stronger by the user growing stronger.
Characters can only train CoC to become better at controlling it.
That means you cannot determine the strength of a character's CoC by how strong they are with their CoC. You have to look at their strength without CoC. The stronger a character is, excluding CoC haki, the stronger their CoC haki is.
That explains why Luffy went from getting his ass kicked to going toe to toe against Kaido just by obtaining ACoC.
2 - The skill to flow and coat thing with CoC is the same skills used to flow and control CoA. It's just applied to CoC, instead of CoA.
That doesn't mean everyone can learn ACoC. But that does explain to us why Luffy and Zoro both obtained ACoC and became skilled at using it quickly.
As you can see, the fact Luffy has more experience with CoC and better at knocking out opponents with it doesn't mean his CoC is stronger or he's more skilled at using ACoC than Zoro.
It's hard for some people to accept that because based on Zoro's rooftop performance and strength Zoro's CoC haki strength is similar to Luffy's.
Luffy didn't only fight Kaido in base mode after he obtained ACoC. Luffy fought Kaido in all his modes except for tankman and he still lost. That was after he lost in base mode the first time, was rescued and given food for energy. Luffy only won because of G5 (awakening) that came out of nowhere. Even with G5, Kaido was dominating the fight the majority of the time. As I stated earlier, nobody in One Piece is strong simply because they have haki and only haki. Everybody has some other power, fighting skill, or ability they use along with haki.
You are the one making everything convoluted. There are 2 important things the manga tells us about CoC.
1 - Characters cannot increase the strength of their CoC by training their CoC. It can only grow stronger by the user growing stronger.
Characters can only train CoC to become better at controlling it.
That means you cannot determine the strength of a character's CoC by how strong they are with their CoC. You have to look at their strength without CoC. The stronger a character is, excluding CoC haki, the stronger their CoC haki is.
That explains why Luffy went from getting his ass kicked to going toe to toe against Kaido just by obtaining ACoC.
2 - The skill to flow and coat thing with CoC is the same skills used to flow and control CoA. It's just applied to CoC, instead of CoA.
That doesn't mean everyone can learn ACoC. But that does explain to us why Luffy and Zoro both obtained ACoC and became skilled at using it quickly.
As you can see, the fact Luffy has more experience with CoC and better at knocking out opponents with it doesn't mean his CoC is stronger or he's more skilled at using ACoC than Zoro.
It's hard for some people to accept that because based on Zoro's rooftop performance and strength Zoro's CoC haki strength is similar to Luffy's.
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I thought Herrera was the only one making this mistake but here you are...
Strenght of aCoC of Base Luffy is based on his overall strength aka his peak at that moment so G4.
And G4 is indeed comparable phsyically to Kaido's hybrid.
Their aCoC being matched makes perfect sense. You are just fooled by gears.
But you should have realized it that no matter the gear, Luffy's haki(damage) remained the same.
Strenght of aCoC of Base Luffy is based on his overall strength aka his peak at that moment so G4.
And G4 is indeed comparable phsyically to Kaido's hybrid.
Their aCoC being matched makes perfect sense. You are just fooled by gears.
But you should have realized it that no matter the gear, Luffy's haki(damage) remained the same.
