Powers & Abilities Why don’t people value future sight?

[Salah WG]

Future Sight is Overrated cuz People don't understand it well

The User can see the Future, doesn't mean their Attacks Travel in Time
It doesn't matter what an FS User Attacks with, from their Opponents Perspective, it's same as if They didn't have FS

Even if Katakuri tried shooting at Sanji a Million Times, Sanji will Dodge it a Million Times
And FS doesn't make you see your Opponents Attacks, cuz Basic CoO already does that, even if you close your Eyes

If an Opponent uses an Attack on you & you have the Power to Counter or Overwhelm them, then just do it, FS isn't needed
Whether you Overwhelm them Power-Wise or Speed-Wise, FS isn't needed for you, having it won't change the Outcome

Also Basic CoO already lets you detect your Opponent's Attack, and if They are Faster, then FS still won't help you much.
If you try to Dodge before They unleash their Attack, then They won't unleash it in First Place or go for another Attack, in which case FS won't detect that, cuz it only tells you One Future, not All Possibilities

And i can continue for so long showing why Future Sight isn't as Invincible as People think it is
It's only useful in Two Cases:

1. Your Opponent cannot know that you Dodged already, so they would still go for their Attacks that you just Foresaw making you guarentee to Survive, and this is what Katakuri was doing, if FS was Busted by itself, Oda wouldn't bother to also give him a Logia-Like Paramecia, his DF allowed him to Dodge without his Opponent even knowing

2. You can change your Attack Mid-Way which allows you to Counter your Opponent's Dodging or whatever They are trying to do, and that's what Gear 4's Python Ability allows Luffy to do, and it's a Move hard to Counter without being Much Faster or having FS

So Only Katakuri & Snakeman truly make their Fighting Styles benefit from FS, but in General, FS is Overrated & isn't a Top Tier Ability at all, but it's Importance lies in preventing Disasters & Preparing for Bad Scenarios like when Shanks saved those Allied Captains or Katakuri stopped Luffy from Destroying Carmel's Picture ... etc

But don't ever think that a Non-FS User would Lose against an FS User, it absolutely changes nothing
Only Katakuri truly benefit from it but it only pushed him to Yonko Commanders Level & other Commanders have Top Defense as well in their own way, so He still doesn't Stand Out, Marco, King, Cracker, Jozu ... etc also have Impenetrable Guard by YC Standards

 

[MonsterKaido]

The issue with FS is that it's very inconsistent

 

[Oliver]

Future sight is what regular observation used to be, the fandom have already been through it and not just in one piece. It's an overused manga trope that's been in everything from Naruto to Samurai 7. It starts off broken then everyone develops it/can counter so it becomes useless. In one piece everyone developed observation, so Oda had to create a new observation and it's boring now. It only gets used as a plot device.

At least with armament the 'advanced' versions have different uses. To the point where it's not even necessarily correct to call it 'advanced' it's just a different application.

 

[a_fan]

Yes. Mihawk don't have FS.

Dracule “Hawkeye” Mihawk is going to make Viola look small in comparison with his max tier planetary CoO range

Spoiler: How did Mihawk know about the Reverie?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

If you want to gauge the effectiveness of Future sight, you have to look at Katakuri. His character is tailor made for the ability, as he is calm and composed 99.9% of the time. In his hands the ability borderlines being broken.

Of all the haki types in the series, CoO is the one that is explained the most, but this fandom who likes to complain for the sake of complaining acts like "CoO doesnt make sense, and only works when Oda wants it to.". No, if you actually pay attention to the story, you'd understand it takes a fair amount of concentration when using CoO, which is sometbing Luffy severely lacks in. That's why Oda gave him the ability, as he habitually loves to nerf Luffy every time he gives him a powerup.

Hell, you don't even have to look no further than Skypiea, as Enel and all his priests were relatively calm and composed all the time, which is why they were able to spam CoO indefinitely.

 

[ZenZu]

Read 1037 if you want to see Luffy using all of his abilities efficiently.

 

[zenox]

because people treat it like ultra instinct when it isnt

i have debated luffytards who think future sight can make luffy dodge hakai or the mfing ancient weapon just cause he can see a few seconds into the future

 

[Djordje]

People cant really grasp that future sight gets negated by opponents own reaction / reflexes , so therefore its almost useless power on long run.

What I mean is that once your opponent reacts to you , everything you saw in your future sight vision gets completely changed making future sight useless. Lets break it down in a scenario you get attacked by a guy with sword :

1. You use future sight to see opponent making his move at you ( lets say he swing his sword at you )
2. You react accordingly to that ( you dodge to the side )
3. This is where your opponent makes reaction to your dodge thanks to his own reflexes so he changes his attack pattern and adjusts it to your new location/position. This means everything you saw before gets changed , your opponent reacted to you, meaning you must start anew with using future sight.

Keep in mind future sight only shows you possible future that can be changed ( just like Bege said in manga ) and it will be changed by your own reaction to what you saw , because what follows after your action is opponent reaction.

So seeing more than barely a second in future is completely useless given how human reflexes work where trained fighters can throw 2 punches or dodge/block those punches 2 times in a second.

Reality is that you will never see more than half or one second into future when you are in cqc battle.

 

[nik87]

So you think Luffy would turn into an old man after using G5 against yamato like he did against Kizaru?

Yes, she will outlast him. Just like all others do.
If he turned into an old man against Lucci, he is for sure turning into old man against Yamato.
After all, she is capable of keeping in check someone stronger than Luffy for a longer time than Luffy's rounds.

This man completely lost it lmao

Is Sakazuki from a special race? Nope. Yamato is.
Does Sakazuki have a mythical Zoan, the rarest type of DF? Nope, Yamato does.
Does Sakazuki have haki of the handful of very strongest? Nope, Yamato does.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Because it's hella inconsistent and characters forget to use it because of plot

 

[Robin swan]

Fs is a great ability but only for kata. No other fs user ever uses it constantly or efficiently like he did. Kaido never used it to help himself or his side nor does luffy use it to help himself nor his allies. For example why didn't kaido use fs to see he'd lose the last clash with luffy? Or you fs to see that the rooftop 5 would try to take out bm and gk to stop them? Fs has to flatout be told to us when it's being used becausefs user don't just spam it. Fs is good oda just doesn't let the other users outside of kata to use the ability as great as it should be used. Other characters just sparsely use it instead of spamming it crazily to have a constant advantage. Shanks has had it yet only shown it vs kidd when the plot demanded it. He wasn't just casually using it like kata who just spammed it even in day to day life to even finish fodders sentences and take them out. Oda made fs irrelevant and treats it under adcoc and adcoa. It's like oda forget the fs users should be able to see everything happening before it does and just makes them not use it.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Also because future sight is likely to get completely removed once Oda makes observation killing more common

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Cuz mama's boys need future sight cough cough Katakuri

 

[Ryuarashi]

Is it possible Katakuri is the best future sight user?

Shanks, Luffy and Kaido has it but they're not consistent as Katakuri.

 

[Roo]

because plenty of top tiers don't need it, and before shanks the poster child of fs was a mere commander

 

[park_min young]

Because by nature, it has to be an inconsistent ability. Just think about it, what if Kaido can consistently see the future? That will be impossible to deal with especially with his speed. It will be a pain in the ass to create a fight where FS is always a shown or a factor as well, he already did it once with Katakuri. That’s why most top-tiers or top-tier fights nowadays don’t showcase FS.

There has to be limitations to such abilities otherwise Oda will either nerf or create other abilities to counter it. He does this with op devil fruits as well like Law’s df abilities. In fact, maybe Mihawk the clairvoyant has a much more powerful and consistent version of FS than even Katakuri’s. Hence, Oda created the Observation Killer as a counter to a hypothetical FS god.

 

[trav]

To me it seems like people over look exactly how powerful Future Sight (“FS”)is. If a character is proficient is FS they will be impossible to hit unless you meet a certain speed threshold and they’ll land attacks on their opponents much easier.

It doesn’t seem like this power is valued much in the community and it’s likely because Zoro or Sanji don’t have it. People come up with head cannon ways around it and state shit like you just need AOE attacks to bypass it yet it has never been an AOE attack that actually hit an FS user who tried to dodge it.

So without headcannon or agenda why don’t you guys value this ability?

Think about this logically for once. I know this sounds dumb since future sight is by definition illogical.
What is the real difference between looking 1s into the future or looking 10 minutes into the future? Not much as it still all boils down to reaction speed.
FS is overrated since even someone with no CoO at all could be able to outperform it by pure reaction speed alone.

FS creates paradoxes anyways and therefor sucks.

 

[сука]

Because just like Katakuri was the first YC1 to be defeated, FS was the first advanced haki to be learned by Luffy, and proved to be the least useful one against a top tier like Kaido. We even had a panel where it was mentioned by Luffy that he used FS and was still grazed by Kaido's attack due to the speed of it alone.

Essentially FS can be countered in the exact same ways normal CoO could, and offensively it gives no advantage, because as @Salah WG mentioned, the attack itself doesn't travel in time.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Enel and Katakuri showed us how powerful FS can be. Fujitora has some insane, mostly non-combat, feats as well.

The one that really gave FS a bad rep is Luffy because unlike the others he still gets hit left and right. Kaido is the same. If all the FS guys were like Enel, Katakuri, Fujitora, presumably no-scars Mihawk and so on then the power would be respected. But in the hands of brawlers like Luffy and Kaido it just feels bland.

 

[сука]

Enel and Katakuri showed us how powerful FS can be. Fujitora has some insane, mostly non-combat, feats as well.

The one that really gave FS a bad rep is Luffy because unlike the others he still gets hit left and right. Kaido is the same. If all the FS guys were like Enel, Katakuri, Fujitora, presumably no-scars Mihawk and so on then the power would be respected. But in the hands of brawlers like Luffy and Kaido it just feels bland.

Enel doesn't have FS