Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

Do you feel like the depsychiatrization of Gay and Trans people has something to do with religion ?

Its not about feelings. We are debating facts here. The entire debate towards homosexuality and mental health was destroyed thanks to militants like you. Science was censored thanks to people like you. What do i think of homsexuality? Currently i have no idea. I don't its just a preference, i believe there is more to it then that. Problem is, any scientist that cooks up an hypothesis that hurt the feelings of people like you gets his career destroyed.

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No there might have been cults, but no "religions". How did the hunter gatherer managed to survive without a morality based on religion then ?

The answer is simple : Because morality is a prerequisite to survivorship. Without it, you can hope to create a working society.

Also you might wanna take a look at this ma boy:

https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/morality_animals
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6404642/

Hunter and gatherers definitely had religious beliefs lol. What are you talking about? Is morality is essential to survival. A community where theft,rape,murder and so on is prevalent will never thrive. That much is obvious. Religion has being a thing ever since men have being a thing. Burial rites are a proof of this.

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Take care of your butt

Wtf are you implying? Do you want to rape me or something?

 

[RebelliousSoma]

No there might have been cults, but no "religions".

What is and isn't a religion is approved by the law, which differs from country to country.

 

[NAMELESS]

What is and isn't a religion is approved by the law, which differs from country to country.

Dude, noooooooooooooo. Religion came first and then civilization. Religion is the unifying factor that eventually translates into a common law.

 

[Zenos7]

He did the same with demenus yesterday

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They can have different creation stories and still have similar teachings. Not every religion treats creation myths as dogmas of faith. Just look at Asian religions. Another L

they still cant be true at the same time, despite having values that are similar.

Big L indeed

 

[NAMELESS]

so what?i thought its the word of god and gives us objective morality? why isnt it applicable at all times then?

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Exod 21:22-25 NRSVUE - “When people who are fighting injure - Bible Gateway

Dude,that is the old testament. This is the old jewish law. Christians moved past this. I don't know if you realize this, but God has made multiple pacts with humanity and the laws changed accordingly. Law changes according to human development. Its that simple.

 

[Zenos7]

Nice, more goalpost moving and topic changing, very effective trolling from your side here, congratulations 👏👏🏼👏🏾👏🏽👏🏿👏🏻

thats part of the script

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Dude,that is the old testament. This is the old jewish law. Christians moved past this.

objective morality where? not here then, which was one of my points earlier on

 

[RebelliousSoma]

Dude, noooooooooooooo. Religion came first and then civilization. Religion is the unifying factor that eventually translates into a common law.

Was talking about today's world, since it's by that standard he was holding the old religions, calling them cults.

 

[NAMELESS]

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they still cant be true at the same time, despite having values that are similar.

Big L indeed

holy shit...you do realize that creation myths are treated in many religions the same way we treat kids tales. They are methaphors to explain stuff, not necessarily like dogma. You putting all religions in the same basket,which is indeed an L take.

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Was talking about today's world, since it's by that standard he was holding the old religions, calling them cults.

ah ok, i missed the sarcasm. yeah, its his secular mind at play here.

 

[Zenos7]

What is and isn't a religion is approved by the law, which differs from country to country.

Dude, noooooooooooooo. Religion came first and then civilization. Religion is the unifying factor that eventually translates into a common law.

thats somewhat true, some religions are officially recognized as such by some governments. in germany for example, scientology isnt recognized as a religion.

and since religions, as i stated earlier, are extremely diverse, there really isnt a universal understanding of what consitutes a religion, prime example being buddhism that many people dont consider as a religion because buddha and his teachings arent directly tied to any actual deity.

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You putting all religions in the same basket

doing the opposite though

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You putting all religions in the same basket

religions, as i stated earlier, are extremely diverse

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Was talking about today's world, since it's by that standard he was holding the old religions, calling them cults.

you mean like mythologies like from ancient greece or egypt?

 

[NAMELESS]

thats part of the script

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objective morality where? not here then, which was one of my points earlier on

Objetive morality= Evil and Good are factual.
Subjetive morality= Evil and Good are creations.
As i see it, the subjective morality is definitely wrong, because even if people do have different interpretations and eventual disagreements on minor topics,most people agree on core principles such: don't steal,don't kill and so on. Which is a historical fact. Most religions boil down to love your neighbor and worship God. There are minor differences, but at the core they are pretty similar on their morality.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Orthodox Buddhism is an atheist religion, but obviously there are some heretical buddhist who believe in God 😏

 

[NAMELESS]

thats part of the script

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objective morality where? not here then, which was one of my points earlier on

Talking about the exodus stuff. Causing a women to miscarry because of a fight is bad in any timeline, the way people will aproach this problem and apply punishments changes according to time. The principles are always the same, but approach might change. Did i make myself clear now?

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Orthodox Buddhism is an atheist religion, but obviously there are some Buddhist heretics who believe in God 😏

Yep, but even the atheist ones says there is a spiritual world, life after death, consequences in the after life and so on. So they still believe in something beyond this life.

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thats somewhat true, some religions are officially recognized as such by some governments. in germany for example, scientology isnt recognized as a religion.

and since religions, as i stated earlier, are extremely diverse, there really isnt a universal understanding of what consitutes a religion, prime example being buddhism that many people dont consider as a religion because buddha and his teachings arent directly tied to any actual deity.

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doing the opposite though

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you mean like mythologies like from ancient greece or egypt?

You did generalize too much on that post. Yes, concept of religion isn't cut and clear either. Governments don't have a final saying in what people believe or not. The Soviet Union tried to outlaw Christianity/Religion and it still survived.

 

[Logiko]

Its not about feelings. We are debating facts here.

Me too.


Accepting LGBTQI+ people in society is a moral act. So tell me, where is the link with religion when all religious texts are against the acceptation of those people ?

The entire debate towards homosexuality and mental health was destroyed thanks to militants like you.

Yeah, my fellow leftists in the 70' to 90' kinda rocked on that one. Praise to them \o/

Science was censored thanks to people like you.

Actually, Science was liberated from people like you. Don't try to speak about science when you don't understand 10 % of it.

Problem is, any scientist that cooks up an hypothesis that hurt the feelings of people like you gets his career destroyed.

Nah. I think you are confusing the word "scientist" with "complotist" or "jordan Peterson" maybe.

Hunter and gatherers definitely had religious beliefs lol

Debatable.

That much is obvious

Then why do you need to add religion to an already pre existing conclusion ? Ockam's razor, mate. There is no need of religion to explain the present of morality in our societies, the environmental and social pressures are enough.

Religion has being a thing ever since men have being a thing.

Debatable.

Burial rites are a proof of this.

Burial rites are not necessarily the proof of religious beliefs mate.

(you didn't react to what I shared with you)

Wtf are you implying? Do you want to rape me or something?

Nah, I'm saying that you should be careful of what you are saying. because if we look at the pattern here, far rightist are being banned one by one because they couldn't contain their bigoted visions.. so...

What is and isn't a religion is approved by the law, which differs from country to country.

The more you talk, the less I understand you bro

Religion came first and then civilization

And society came before religion

Religion is the unifying factor that eventually translates into a common law.

Lol no

Objetive morality

There is no such thing

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

They can have different creation stories and still have similar teachings. Not every religion treats creation myths as dogmas of faith. Just look at Asian religions. Another L

That post is your only semi win in like 24 hours.

 

[NAMELESS]

Me too.


Accepting LGBTQI+ people in society is a moral act. So tell me, where is the link with religion when all religious texts are against the acceptation of those people ?



Yeah, my fellow leftists in the 70' to 90' kinda rocked on that one. Praise to them \o/



Actually, Science was liberated from people like you. Don't try to speak about science when you don't understand 10 % of it.



Nah. I think you are confusing the word "scientist" with "complotist" or "jordan Peterson" maybe.



Debatable.

Then why do you need to add religion to an already pre existing conclusion ? Ockam's razor, mate. There is no need of religion to explain the present of morality in our societies, the environmental and social pressures are enough.


Debatable.



Burial rites are not necessarily the proof of religious beliefs mate.

(you didn't react to what I shared with you)



Nah, I'm saying that you should be careful of what you are saying. because if we look at the pattern here, far rightist are being banned one by one because they couldn't contain their bigoted visions.. so...

The more you talk, the less I understand you bro



And society came before religion





Lol no

There is no such thing

But of course, society came first. Animals have no religion. Only men do, bozo. Pretty sure there were some ancient gods that were you know...GAY. I don't get why you insist on not researching stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_themes_in_mythology

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That post is your only semi win in like 24 hours.

Thank u, loli. I appreciate your opinion.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Debatable

It's all the same anyway

 

[NAMELESS]

It's all the same anyway

He is going to prove religion is a thing in the animal world and in Alien civilizations.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

they still cant be true at the same time, despite having values that are similar.

They actually can

 

[Zenos7]

Yep, but even the atheist ones says there is a spiritual world, life after death, consequences in the after life and so on. So they still believe in something beyond this life.

The goal in buddhism is to escape life,escape the cycle of rebirth (and its various realms of existence) by reaching the state of nirvana.

Rebirth cycle isnt really comparable to an afterlife in the sense of hell or heaven

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You did generalize too much on that post. Yes, concept of religion isn't cut and clear either. Governments don't have a final saying in what people believe or not. The Soviet Union tried to outlaw Christianity/Religion and it still survived.

Still did the opposite of generalizing, and the rest isnt really relevant to what was said

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Accepting LGBTQI+ people in society is a moral act. So tell me, where is the link with religion when all religious texts are against the acceptation of those people ?

Just means them queer people are evil immoral motherfuckers my guy

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The goal in buddhism is to escape life,escape the cycle of rebirth (and its various realms of existence) by reaching the state of nirvana.

Rebirth cycle isnt really comparable to an afterlife in the sense of hell or heaven

It's all the same anyway