The goal in buddhism is to escape life,escape the cycle of rebirth (and its various realms of existence) by reaching the state of nirvana.

Rebirth cycle isnt really comparable to an afterlife in the sense of hell or heaven
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Still did the opposite of generalizing, and the rest isnt really relevant to what was said
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Just means them queer people are evil immoral motherfuckers my guy
True,but reincarnation still implies your soul is out there waiting to return to the world. Soul=life after death,no? I wasn't really comparing it to Christianity.
 
Not really, unless their creation story was never understood as an actual description of how the world was created. But god x doing the creation and god y doing the creation arent compatible,unless x=y, for example christianity and judaism..they are mutually exclusive for other reasons though
Creation stories are not about the entire planet only the local culture
 
True,but reincarnation still implies your soul is out there waiting to return to the world. Soul=life after death,no? I wasn't really comparing it to Christianity.
All 6 realms are "the world". Its not like you die and go to the next stage, you just switch the stage after respawning, and you can be on the same stage multiple times until you reach the state of nirvana
 
But of course, society came first. Animals have no religion. Only men do, bozo. Pretty sure there were some ancient gods that were you know...GAY. I don't get why you insist on not researching stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_themes_in_mythology
I did, that's why I shared with you studies that you didn't read.

The point is that if accepting LGBTQI+ people is morally wrong in regards to religious text, then being moral and accepting them shows that morality is not dependent of religious but our sociological context.


He is going to prove religion is a thing in the animal world and in Alien civilizations.
No I proved to you that this is actually the opposite and that morality can exist without religion. For example it seems that there are moral subjects in the animal realm according to what I just shared with you. And yet, no religion. Meaning that :

Morality came first and religion second.

Which is actually logical since religion is all about the control of morality and not the other way around.

This means that a society without religion can still be a moral society.
 
Maybe, but we dont actually know that for sure
Animals (except humans obviously) aren't concept users, so their communication is very primitive, they can't form judgments, much less stories, and much less a complex system of belief like religion. But of course, a new animal species can emerge and be concept user species and then create belief systems. Or may exist a sapient alien race that also are concept users...
 
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What are you on about? All i'm saying is that no one is convincing anyone here of shit.
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Animals (except humans obviously) aren't concept users, so their communication is very primitive, they can't form judgments, much less stories, and much less a complex system of belief like religion. But of course, a new species can emerge and be concept user species and then create belief systems. Or can exist a sapient alien race that also are conxept users...
Bro,no,logic is not allowed in here.
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This is why nobody posts there, you all of people were the one to create it.
 
This is why nobody posts there, you all of people were the one to create it.
You post whatever you want there. I'm not against religious discussion, that's precisely why I created it.

And yes, my mind is set simply because this is logical. To write religion and therefore moral concepts, you must be AWARE of those concepts in the first place. Meaning that religious morality was created by people who were already aware of had a form of morality in the first place.

And this is - again - logical, since morality is only the result of a social pressure. Social pressure that can happen among humans or other animals.
 
@AL sama you made that statement just to create chaos in here, didn't you?
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You post whatever you want there. I'm not against religious discussion, that's precisely why I created it.

And yes, my mind is set simply because this is logical. To write religion and therefore moral concepts, you must be AWARE of those concepts in the first place. Meaning that religious morality was created by people who were already aware of had a form of morality in the first place.

And this is - again - logical, since morality is only the result of a social pressure. Social pressure that can happen among humans or other animals.
okay,okay,chill.
 
Animals (except humans obviously) aren't concept users, so their communication is very primitive, they can't form judgments, much less stories, and much less a complex system of belief like religion. But of course, a new animal species can emerge and be concept user species and then create belief systems. Or may exist a sapient alien race that also are concept users...
Animals can have burial rites,wage wars,perform coups, settle disputes in their social circle, be resentful towards individuals (be it animals or humans, like a vet for example).

We really dont know either way the extent to which they form judgement and use concepts.
 
Animals can have burial rites,wage wars,perform coups, settle disputes in their social circle, be resentful towards individuals (be it animals or humans, like a vet for example).

We really dont know either way the extent to which they form judgement and use concepts.
Yes, they develop some activities and strategies in regard to their environment, but like I said this is not sufficient to create a belief system, but it's a first step in terms of evolution
 
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