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Lmao, this is the dictionary definition of rationalization lmao.
You're just applying some arbitrary logic in order to justify your opinion.
So I guess biology and objectivity is completely out of the picture then, I guess the Pharaos really were descendends of the Gods.
The earth is being held together by the world serpent Jormungandr, and the Loch Ness monster was caused by a rift in the space time continuum.
A kindergardener can't be a university math professor just because he thinks he's a math genius because he's able to subtract numbers while his friends can only do addition.
A psychopath doesn't transcend into Godhood just because he thinks he's the reincarnation of Jesus Christ.
A person with Dissasociative Identity Disorder isn't multiple people sharing the same body like Diavolo/ Doppio in JoJo, just because they experience doing so.
Just because you feel, think or experience something doesn't mean that it is factual or tangible in the material plane.
Is it not better to learn to be comfortable in your own body rather than having to perverse your one and only given gift of nature, your vessel through which you experience the miracle of life?
If gender is a "social construct" as some claim, then what does it matter if you have a penis or vagina in your nether reaches?
Not to mention that if "male" and "female" isn't real, then the entire purpose of sex change is completely defeated.
That is sad, of course, but like this kid so wisely squealed in anger:
They made a choice, they should have been more than aware of the ramifications of what the consequences are.
You can argue transphobia or whatever you want, but a decision to do a surgery like that are very impactful that can and will affect your life in many ways, socially and whatnot.
This is why it is so important to first of all be mature enough to comprehend the gravity of the decision, and to be able to reflect if it is the answer to the problem or if there are some other underlying issues that can be worked on to improve their quality of life.
That's just adressing your argument, but that is not to mention that there are individuals who have lasting medical problems, people who felt like they were forced into transitioning, people who realized too late that it didn't solve anything - you know, other reasons that doesn't entail being bullied into detransitioning.
lmao, you're talking about some intangible concept that only serves to justify your beliiefs as it doesn't hold up to scrutiny otherwise.
You very well got my point. What you want does not equal what you need.
You're right, I know, but I got bored and took the bait
You're just applying some arbitrary logic in order to justify your opinion.
So I guess biology and objectivity is completely out of the picture then, I guess the Pharaos really were descendends of the Gods.
The earth is being held together by the world serpent Jormungandr, and the Loch Ness monster was caused by a rift in the space time continuum.
A kindergardener can't be a university math professor just because he thinks he's a math genius because he's able to subtract numbers while his friends can only do addition.
A psychopath doesn't transcend into Godhood just because he thinks he's the reincarnation of Jesus Christ.
A person with Dissasociative Identity Disorder isn't multiple people sharing the same body like Diavolo/ Doppio in JoJo, just because they experience doing so.
Just because you feel, think or experience something doesn't mean that it is factual or tangible in the material plane.
Is it not better to learn to be comfortable in your own body rather than having to perverse your one and only given gift of nature, your vessel through which you experience the miracle of life?
If gender is a "social construct" as some claim, then what does it matter if you have a penis or vagina in your nether reaches?
Not to mention that if "male" and "female" isn't real, then the entire purpose of sex change is completely defeated.
That is sad, of course, but like this kid so wisely squealed in anger:
They made a choice, they should have been more than aware of the ramifications of what the consequences are.
You can argue transphobia or whatever you want, but a decision to do a surgery like that are very impactful that can and will affect your life in many ways, socially and whatnot.
This is why it is so important to first of all be mature enough to comprehend the gravity of the decision, and to be able to reflect if it is the answer to the problem or if there are some other underlying issues that can be worked on to improve their quality of life.
That's just adressing your argument, but that is not to mention that there are individuals who have lasting medical problems, people who felt like they were forced into transitioning, people who realized too late that it didn't solve anything - you know, other reasons that doesn't entail being bullied into detransitioning.
lmao, you're talking about some intangible concept that only serves to justify your beliiefs as it doesn't hold up to scrutiny otherwise.
You very well got my point. What you want does not equal what you need.
You're right, I know, but I got bored and took the bait
No. i'm applying what doctors, scientific and the trans community is saying mate.
Do you know what being trans means ?
You are not on the side of biology or even psychology. I am. I'm the one who provide you the studies and the consensus, not you mate.
Do not try to depict yourself as the rationnal one when you deny science.
Actually, when you feel something, it's a real sensation. But I don't think you wanna go the road of the materialistic reality of emotions and free will, because with me you gonna get lost REAL fast.
We are talking about gender disphoria. Gender disphoria is not a thought experiment, it's something that leads people to suicide.
Am I clear or do I need to draw you something to make you better understand?
The fact that gender is made up by society (a social construct) doesn't mean gender doesn't exist. It's a REAL social data.
Here is a reply on r/asktransgender on reddit explaining just that to the question "If gender is a social construct, why do trans people exist?"
Gender is social construct but it's still something very real for many people.
"Male" and "Female" are what we call sexual characteristics (genetalia, chromosoms, breasts, forms of the body etc.) they are NOT the gender.
Gender =/= Sexual characteristic/Sex
https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-matters/sex-and-gender
https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex–gender_distinction
It's NOT a F. choice !!
So just like rapist who blame their women of tempting them, you blame trans people of tempting other transphobe to harrass and mock them ?
Yes, it's a harsh comparison so you get the point faster.
Transphobia is not something that we should accept as part of reality. If you think that way, stay away from trans people please.
Indeed, in very rare cases. That's why doctors must be formed better on the matter and society allowed to perform BETTER diagnosis.
Gender disphoria is not intangible Einstein. It's a very real problem that push people toward suicide.
Actually, both people under gender disphoria and alcoholics need medical care in those example, so your argument falls flat.
Do you know what being trans means ?
You are not on the side of biology or even psychology. I am. I'm the one who provide you the studies and the consensus, not you mate.
Do not try to depict yourself as the rationnal one when you deny science.
Actually, when you feel something, it's a real sensation. But I don't think you wanna go the road of the materialistic reality of emotions and free will, because with me you gonna get lost REAL fast.
We are talking about gender disphoria. Gender disphoria is not a thought experiment, it's something that leads people to suicide.
Am I clear or do I need to draw you something to make you better understand?
The fact that gender is made up by society (a social construct) doesn't mean gender doesn't exist. It's a REAL social data.
Here is a reply on r/asktransgender on reddit explaining just that to the question "If gender is a social construct, why do trans people exist?"
Gender is social construct but it's still something very real for many people.
"Male" and "Female" are what we call sexual characteristics (genetalia, chromosoms, breasts, forms of the body etc.) they are NOT the gender.
Gender =/= Sexual characteristic/Sex
https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-matters/sex-and-gender
https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex–gender_distinction
It's NOT a F. choice !!
So just like rapist who blame their women of tempting them, you blame trans people of tempting other transphobe to harrass and mock them ?
Yes, it's a harsh comparison so you get the point faster.
Transphobia is not something that we should accept as part of reality. If you think that way, stay away from trans people please.
Indeed, in very rare cases. That's why doctors must be formed better on the matter and society allowed to perform BETTER diagnosis.
Gender disphoria is not intangible Einstein. It's a very real problem that push people toward suicide.
Actually, both people under gender disphoria and alcoholics need medical care in those example, so your argument falls flat.
Someone who doesn't identify with their biological sex
"Trust science" they said when they were pushing the vaccines as if it was the wonder elixir that would cure covid, and then the story went from it cures it from it prevents spreading, to it doesn't prevent spreading it but it makes it less likely you get sick from covid - to then pushing you to take jab after jab after jab after jab, threatening skeptics with excommunication from society if they resist.
Actively shutting down any and all critical or opposing voices, irrespective of their expertise, competence or status.
All the while, not to mention, deliberately hiding and withholding knowledge of medicines that were actually proven to be effective against covid, like ivermectin among others.
Isn't it just so very very convenient to just "trust science" when it comes to some contemporary issue that has blown up in recent years - most likely to create discord within society at large, to distract us from actual problems and big corp schemes for power and control, etc.?
"Science" can kiss my butt when it comes to political hot topics like this.
I'm not going to blindly trust any so-called "scientists"
This is literally just a whole lot of talking without saying anything.
They're saying gender is real, your biological sex influence gender roles, but they feel like it's wrong..
So they are pretty much just admitting that this has nothing to do with actual reality, but just their feelings.
Literally a non-issue, if you want to arbitrarily allocate different definitions to what gender and biological sex is, then be my guest, you're achieving nothing at all.
It is a choice.
If it isn't, then it is forced upon you - that can't possibly be a good thing, can it?
GA surgery is not a life saving surgery to any extent.
You have working lungs, you have a beating heart, you have a healthy liver, you don't have a brain tumor, you aren't mortally wounded or suffering from severe bloodloss due to having gender dysphoria - you are not in imminent danger of dying.
removing yourself from trom the genepool is a choice; ill advised, highly regrettable, unfortunate and likely preventable choice, but it is a choice nontheless.
And yes, I am aware that depression is a mental illness that is very real and affect you in very real ways, it needs to be taken seriously and treated like any other illness where getting healthy and winning over the illness is the goal.
You need to stop seing hate and "phobia" in every little thing that doesn't immideatly resonate with you.
I am not defending the scorn and unpleasantries they may experience, but I am saying that one should be aware, prepared and understand that they may face unpleasant interactions, stigma, difficult questions, moral dillemmas - and so on and so forth.
That doesn't mean you have to take it all laying down, you should very well stand up for yourself, but by all means don't be obnoxious about it.
Sure, it is a mental illness like depression, so it is tangible in that sense, but this whole separation of gender and sex is completely arbitrary and completely inconsequential.
lmao, that doesn't disprove anything - even though you're trying to extrapolate some nonexistant meaning from the comparison I made.
While alcoholism and gender dysphoria is completely different in nature, doesn't mean a comparison cannot be made.
For someone who's so broad minded as you should know better than to think binary.
You are not on the side of biology or even psychology. I am. I'm the one who provide you the studies and the consensus, not you mate.
Do not try to depict yourself as the rationnal one when you deny science.
Do not try to depict yourself as the rationnal one when you deny science.
Actively shutting down any and all critical or opposing voices, irrespective of their expertise, competence or status.
All the while, not to mention, deliberately hiding and withholding knowledge of medicines that were actually proven to be effective against covid, like ivermectin among others.
Isn't it just so very very convenient to just "trust science" when it comes to some contemporary issue that has blown up in recent years - most likely to create discord within society at large, to distract us from actual problems and big corp schemes for power and control, etc.?
"Science" can kiss my butt when it comes to political hot topics like this.
I'm not going to blindly trust any so-called "scientists"
The fact that gender is made up by society (a social construct) doesn't mean gender doesn't exist. It's a REAL social data.
Here is a reply on r/asktransgender on reddit explaining just that to the question "If gender is a social construct, why do trans people exist?"
Gender is social construct but it's still something very real for many people.
Here is a reply on r/asktransgender on reddit explaining just that to the question "If gender is a social construct, why do trans people exist?"
Gender is social construct but it's still something very real for many people.
They're saying gender is real, your biological sex influence gender roles, but they feel like it's wrong..
So they are pretty much just admitting that this has nothing to do with actual reality, but just their feelings.
Literally a non-issue, if you want to arbitrarily allocate different definitions to what gender and biological sex is, then be my guest, you're achieving nothing at all.
It is a choice.
If it isn't, then it is forced upon you - that can't possibly be a good thing, can it?
GA surgery is not a life saving surgery to any extent.
You have working lungs, you have a beating heart, you have a healthy liver, you don't have a brain tumor, you aren't mortally wounded or suffering from severe bloodloss due to having gender dysphoria - you are not in imminent danger of dying.
removing yourself from trom the genepool is a choice; ill advised, highly regrettable, unfortunate and likely preventable choice, but it is a choice nontheless.
And yes, I am aware that depression is a mental illness that is very real and affect you in very real ways, it needs to be taken seriously and treated like any other illness where getting healthy and winning over the illness is the goal.
You need to stop seing hate and "phobia" in every little thing that doesn't immideatly resonate with you.
I am not defending the scorn and unpleasantries they may experience, but I am saying that one should be aware, prepared and understand that they may face unpleasant interactions, stigma, difficult questions, moral dillemmas - and so on and so forth.
That doesn't mean you have to take it all laying down, you should very well stand up for yourself, but by all means don't be obnoxious about it.
Sure, it is a mental illness like depression, so it is tangible in that sense, but this whole separation of gender and sex is completely arbitrary and completely inconsequential.
lmao, that doesn't disprove anything - even though you're trying to extrapolate some nonexistant meaning from the comparison I made.
While alcoholism and gender dysphoria is completely different in nature, doesn't mean a comparison cannot be made.
For someone who's so broad minded as you should know better than to think binary.
So what do you not understand by "it's not a choice" ?
The vaccin saved million of people. Don't even start doing COVID conspirationism
If you don't trust the scientist process you have absolutely ZERO say in the matter of GAS.
You make non convenient. Trusting science - Vaccin included - is ALWAYS the go to. If you started to become a science denier and a conspirationist, it's not science's faults, but the fault of disinformation.
"Skeptics resisting" were people spreading missinformation about the vaccin putting million in danger. THe consensus was clear at the time, period. If you are one of those science denier, do not even try to talk about science with me.
This will not be met with respect.
Then, do not not be mad if I call you an ignorant on this question.
It's your choice not to trust science and the scientific process because you are incapable of thinking straight. Not science's fault.
Then get the F. out of Trans related issues and topics.
YOU HAVE NOTHING INTERESTING TO SAY.
No, this is you not understanding. But after you last comment, I'm not surprised.
No. And I won't explain because at this stage, you wouldn't even understand the half of the argument.
You have nothing to say about the reality of the issues in society science denier as long as you refuse to accept a way to look at them.
Ok, I think I met the frontiere of intelligence.
Transidentity is NOT a choice theerefore gender disphoria is NOT a choice therefore GAS are NOT a choice when they are needed you BRILLIANT wanabee Gyro Gearloose.
Oh For F sake Usopp save me.
Est ce que tu te fous de ma gueule là ?
Go say to a person in depression that wants to end their lives that they are not in danger of dying just to see their reaction you moraly incorrect Hippocrates.
Did you have a date with Dark Vader ? What's the deal here ?
The me of the past*
Right now, you are arguing to prevent people from getting their help.
You do not F. understand that gender Disphoria has the SAME impact on a person will to live as depression.
I think you need to educate yourself before talking about topics you are completely uneducated about.
Which is called "being prepared to Transphobia". Trans people don't need you to know that Transphobia exist.
What we are trying to tell you and other people like you is that we should not accept transphobia as a normal part of society just like we should not allow sexism to be normal or Racism or Ableism.
And if those little words scare you, learn the reasons why we are using them.
Oh I will be obnoxious about it. I will even be arrogant with you because at the moment you are advocating for kids not to be treated for something that can lead them to suicide.
So I'm sorry if I appear a little bit disrespectfull at the moment. I started this conversation thinking that you had good intention of learning. I see now that you had none and has absolutely no knowledge about the subject. Not even this but you are even spitting anti-scientific rethoric.
So excuuuuuuse me. But you lost my respect.
No. it's a scientific consensus and a sociological observation.
Again, if you want to talk about reality, talk to it through science and the lives of people in questions. Until you start doing that, you will have ZERO valuable argumentation.
The one thinking in binary at the moment is you mate. Take your own lesson. Try to open your mind to things you don't understand.
The vaccin saved million of people. Don't even start doing COVID conspirationism
If you don't trust the scientist process you have absolutely ZERO say in the matter of GAS.
You make non convenient. Trusting science - Vaccin included - is ALWAYS the go to. If you started to become a science denier and a conspirationist, it's not science's faults, but the fault of disinformation.
"Skeptics resisting" were people spreading missinformation about the vaccin putting million in danger. THe consensus was clear at the time, period. If you are one of those science denier, do not even try to talk about science with me.
This will not be met with respect.
Then, do not not be mad if I call you an ignorant on this question.
It's your choice not to trust science and the scientific process because you are incapable of thinking straight. Not science's fault.
Then get the F. out of Trans related issues and topics.
YOU HAVE NOTHING INTERESTING TO SAY.
No, this is you not understanding. But after you last comment, I'm not surprised.
No. And I won't explain because at this stage, you wouldn't even understand the half of the argument.
You have nothing to say about the reality of the issues in society science denier as long as you refuse to accept a way to look at them.
Ok, I think I met the frontiere of intelligence.
Transidentity is NOT a choice theerefore gender disphoria is NOT a choice therefore GAS are NOT a choice when they are needed you BRILLIANT wanabee Gyro Gearloose.
Oh For F sake Usopp save me.
Est ce que tu te fous de ma gueule là ?
Go say to a person in depression that wants to end their lives that they are not in danger of dying just to see their reaction you moraly incorrect Hippocrates.
Did you have a date with Dark Vader ? What's the deal here ?
The me of the past*
Right now, you are arguing to prevent people from getting their help.
You do not F. understand that gender Disphoria has the SAME impact on a person will to live as depression.
I think you need to educate yourself before talking about topics you are completely uneducated about.
Which is called "being prepared to Transphobia". Trans people don't need you to know that Transphobia exist.
What we are trying to tell you and other people like you is that we should not accept transphobia as a normal part of society just like we should not allow sexism to be normal or Racism or Ableism.
And if those little words scare you, learn the reasons why we are using them.
Oh I will be obnoxious about it. I will even be arrogant with you because at the moment you are advocating for kids not to be treated for something that can lead them to suicide.
So I'm sorry if I appear a little bit disrespectfull at the moment. I started this conversation thinking that you had good intention of learning. I see now that you had none and has absolutely no knowledge about the subject. Not even this but you are even spitting anti-scientific rethoric.
So excuuuuuuse me. But you lost my respect.
No. it's a scientific consensus and a sociological observation.
Again, if you want to talk about reality, talk to it through science and the lives of people in questions. Until you start doing that, you will have ZERO valuable argumentation.
The one thinking in binary at the moment is you mate. Take your own lesson. Try to open your mind to things you don't understand.
