Controversial General Political Discussion

[Reborn]

Crying about racism isn't an argument. You claim to know how economy works and see no issue with large companies abusing it as with H1Bs.

Then take it to companies but why blaming legal migrants? Lmao

And, let me tell you - there was this meeting of CEOs in USA recently - they said we build outside America because our production costs are less over there.

We do designing and branding in America because our production costs in these aspects are lower in America.


Global companies will go where production costs are less.

Migrants start for less and then they gradually rise to become CEOs or other higher positions.

If your STEM workers are willing to start working for less while offering same quality, companies would hire them. But they aren't....

So, fault lies with your workforce lmao

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

We aren't privileged, you aren't oppressed.

 

[RyoQ]

America was literally "founded' by Europeans who migrated by force, and slaughtered that native Americans and Mexicans that were here first. They also brought black people to America by force. And some are so full of American pride that they hate foreigners and gatekeep lol. Migrants are simply doing what the founding fathers did minus the slaughter.

Europeans were not immigrants, but founders. You attack the founding and core demographic probably because you identify against it, and identify with your minority group

Which proves my point: all the disagreement towards H1B is tribalistic, ethnic minorities with disdain for whites

 

[Monkey D Theories]

You might not give a shit. I don't really care, I never said H1B is a problem for all Americans or all jobs. It is specific to white STEM grads.

Why specifically white STEM grads

Spoiler alert: American tech companies headquartered and operating inside America, allowed to do so only at the discretion of America...is obligated towards American citizens.

If you want to live in a capitalist economy, the companies need to be competitive. Meaning they need to be globalized. They need to cut costs and take advantage of global talent. Because if they don’t, other businesses will.

 

[RyoQ]

If your STEM workers are willing to start working for less while offering same quality, companies would hire them. But they aren't....

That is companies abusing the system. If H1B was banned companies would no longer be able to hire foreign labor for dirt cheap anymore

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Why specifically white STEM grads

Because statistically that is the demographic that targets the same jobs Indian H1Bs target...? and is the demographic that is overwhelming the majority unemployed STEM grads...?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Which proves my point: all the disagreement towards H1B is tribalistic, ethnic minorities with disdain for whites

You are projecting

 

[Reborn]

That is companies abusing the system. If H1B was banned companies would no longer be able to hire foreign labor for dirt cheap anymore

Lmao

They will simply shift manufacturing outside as they had been doing for ages now.

You know since Taco imposed Tariffs, 0 companies have entirely shifted their manufacturing to USA....Zero


You can ban H1B if you want.... because at the end, it will be the rest of the world who will benefit of cheap quality workforce and companies will simply shift where labour costs would be less this means more infrastructure for rest of the world...

So, go ahead lmao

 

[RyoQ]

They will simply shift manufacturing outside as they had been doing for ages now.

Manufacturing???


Fucking most of the jobs H1Bs have are not in "manufacturing". What are you talking about?

 

[Reborn]

Manufacturing???


Fucking most of the jobs H1Bs have are not in "manufacturing". What are you talking about?

It was an example


You take tech, manufacturing, silicon valley


Labour costs matters. Infact, it's a massive chunk of production costs and major factor in deciding localisation of any enterprise or industry


So, go ahead, ban H1B.


Can't wait for companies to shift outside and build silicon valleys, production houses in the rest of the world

 

[RyoQ]

You are projecting

I have data and statistics this whole time. All you have is calling racism and saying something as shameless and fucked up as telling natives go work for daddy government which makes up maybe ~10% of available STEM jobs compared to private sector

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You are projecting

No I think he's just mad he lost a job to a foreign dude who's 3x more efficient than him

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I have data and statistics this whole time. All you have is calling racism and saying something as shameless and fucked up as telling natives go work for daddy government which makes up maybe ~10% of available STEM jobs compared to private sector

What about all the private companies that do clearance work? Why can’t STEM grads work for those?

I do and so do a lot of my friends.

it’s much better work than the shit H1-Bs do. Long hours, probably needing to do significant coordination with teams in india(meaning india time meetings).

 

[RyoQ]

What about all the private companies that do clearance work? Why can’t STEM grads work for those?

I do and so do a lot of my friends.

it’s much better work than the shit H1-Bs do. Long hours, probably needing to do significant coordination with teams in india(meaning india time meetings).

why can't STEM grads work for jobs they are rightfully qualified for? why you have to reroute them to niche places because Microsoft want workers they can pay for much less and for shittiest hours and worst benefits?

 

[Reborn]

You are a dumbass for saying companies would suddenly offshore if H1B got banned. No, they would continue production but Americans would be in such positions instead of Indians. This would result in companies saving less money but that is a good thing in this case.

If hiring your workforce was better alternative for companies then they would have done it already regardless of H1B visa.


And, trust me they will off-shore.

Well they are already doing it with H1B visa rules in place.

Apple is moving a significant chunk of their iPhone production line to India

Google is manufacturing one of its biggest facility in India.

I can go on because there are hell lot of companies from the West moving their production lines, assembly lines to India


Banning H1B visa means, Indian workforce will remain in India and companies would get to hire them much more cheaply than In USA so relocalisation.

What will stem workforce would do then? Where you will cry then?

 

[RyoQ]

I don't have any hate towards any groups
I'm a guy who sees a woman beat someone up and believes she's a piece of shit
Same if I saw a man do so
Or a white person
Or a black person
I don't care about race or gender but you can't deny white people have it better than most other groups
Anyway most jobs accept people based on how efficient they are as workers (at least I'd fucking hope that's the case lol). If you get cucked out of a job by a random Indian it's not really his fault

I don't think you have "hate", I think you have more sympathy for some groups and more bias against others. H1B is abused by Indians against STEM grads in America, they are mostly white graduates so your bias sees it as "no issue".

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If hiring your workforce was better alternative for companies then they would have done it already regardless of H1B visa.


And, trust me they will off-shore.

Well they are already doing it with H1B visa rules in place.

Apple is moving a significant chunk of their iPhone production line to India

Google is manufacturing one of its biggest facility in India.

I can go on because there are hell lot of companies from the West moving their production lines, assembly lines to India


Banning H1B visa means, Indian workforce will remain in India and companies would get to hire them much more cheaply than In USA so relocalisation.

What will stem workforce would do then? Where you will cry then?

Who give a fuck about iphone production jobs? Most H1Bs coming here are stealing entry and junior positions in many other fields. You don't know anything

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I don't think you have "hate", I think you have more sympathy for some groups and more bias against others. H1B is abused by Indians against STEM grads in America, they are mostly white graduates so your bias sees it as "no issue".

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Who give a fuck about iphone production jobs? Most H1Bs coming here are stealing entry and junior positions in many other fields. You don't know anything

Do you believe in the great replacement theory.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

why can't STEM grads work for jobs they are rightfully qualified for? why you have to reroute them to niche places because Microsoft want workers they can pay for much less and for shittiest hours and worst benefits?

The unemployment rate is 4%, which I believe is the rate of natural unemployment

STEM grads are getting jobs they are qualified for

you are just upset immigrants are doing well too

 

[Reborn]

I don't think you have "hate", I think you have more sympathy for some groups and more bias against others. H1B is abused by Indians against STEM grads in America, they are mostly white graduates so your bias sees it as "no issue".

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Who give a fuck about iphone production jobs? Most H1Bs coming here are stealing entry and junior positions in many other fields. You don't know anything

Oh so one of the foreign national took an entry level job from you? And, here I thought you lost some high position job to make you this mad

Bruh....

Well, try somewhere else rather than being sucked in envy

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Indians aren't 3x more efficient. Or qualified.

then why are you so scared of them lol

 

[Midnight Delight]

Tech companies are global enterprises that compete on a global scale, they have no obligation to cater to American citizens. In fact if H1-Bs were banned, they’d probably build more offices in India to retain those workers.

If you want jobs made for US citizens, apply at a defense company.

Tech companies shouldn't be global