Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
America was literally "founded' by Europeans who migrated by force, and slaughtered that native Americans and Mexicans that were here first. They also brought black people to America by force. And some are so full of American pride that they hate foreigners and gatekeep lol. Migrants are simply doing what the founding fathers did minus the slaughter.
 
Reverse victim-mentality. The minority sees itself as a victim, and the majority being unable to be victimized in any way, because the minority sees them as "privileged" and above being capable of screwed over by something like H1B even though that is what has happened for the past decade and continues to

Truly the worst strain of minority to have within ones country. Loathsome
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No fuck off and don't tell natives to cease the private sector for government work which comprises maybe ~10% at most of all non-medical STEM jobs
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They are privileged lmao
I do feel bad that some of them are suffering but at the same time it's probably not as big an issue as you think
And it's definitely not like it's only white people that can't find jobs or whatever
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Lmao, you won't even deny now that tech grads are losing jobs to H1B, you are just saying leave private sector and just go work for the government

Completely shameless
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Your "doubts" do not allign with statistics. I know you all are ethnics and not demographically white American (the demographic largely being fucked in the ass by H1B) and tribalistically don't see any issue with the abuse so my words fall on deaf ears.

I'll just say I can't wait for your tears in the coming years when H1B does become severely restricted or banned
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Yes dip shit, that is one way to describe companies weaponizing foreign workers against the native population by forcing natives to take lower pay than what companies are capable of paying them
:mihugh:
Insulting me won't change the fact that your arguments irks of racism and envy - I am not skilled enough and I can't tolerate how migrants are taking my jobs and rising well while I can't

And, trust me, Brain drain affects foreign countries more than it helps USA but as I said, you have no idea how economy works.
 
They are privileged lmao
I do feel bad that some of them are suffering but at the same time it's probably not as big an issue as you think
And it's definitely not like it's only white people that can't find jobs or whatever
We aren't privileged, you aren't oppressed. We go and spend years and thousands in debt to get a degree in STEM but have to compete with thousands of foreigners with H1Bs who companies can and continue to hire instead for lower cost

You might not give a shit. I don't really care, I never said H1B is a problem for all Americans or all jobs. It is specific to white STEM grads.
 
No fuck off and don't tell natives to cease the private sector for government work which comprises maybe ~10% at most of all non-medical STEM jobs
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Tech companies are global enterprises that compete on a global scale, they have no obligation to cater to American citizens. In fact if H1-Bs were banned, they’d probably build more offices in India to retain those workers.

If you want jobs made for US citizens, apply at a defense company.
 
Insulting me won't change the fact that your arguments irks of racism and envy - I am not skilled enough and I can't tolerate how migrants are taking my jobs and rising well while I can't

And, trust me, Brain drain affects foreign countries more than it helps USA but as I said, you have no idea how economy works.
Crying about racism isn't an argument. You claim to know how economy works and see no issue with large companies abusing it as with H1Bs.
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Tech companies are global enterprises that compete on a global scale, they have no obligation to cater to American citizens
Spoiler alert: American tech companies headquartered and operating inside America, allowed to do so only at the discretion of America...is obligated towards American citizens.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Crying about racism isn't an argument. You claim to know how economy works and see no issue with large companies abusing it as with H1Bs.
Then take it to companies but why blaming legal migrants? Lmao

And, let me tell you - there was this meeting of CEOs in USA recently - they said we build outside America because our production costs are less over there.

We do designing and branding in America because our production costs in these aspects are lower in America.


Global companies will go where production costs are less.

Migrants start for less and then they gradually rise to become CEOs or other higher positions.

If your STEM workers are willing to start working for less while offering same quality, companies would hire them. But they aren't....

So, fault lies with your workforce lmao
 
America was literally "founded' by Europeans who migrated by force, and slaughtered that native Americans and Mexicans that were here first. They also brought black people to America by force. And some are so full of American pride that they hate foreigners and gatekeep lol. Migrants are simply doing what the founding fathers did minus the slaughter.
Europeans were not immigrants, but founders. You attack the founding and core demographic probably because you identify against it, and identify with your minority group

Which proves my point: all the disagreement towards H1B is tribalistic, ethnic minorities with disdain for whites
 
You might not give a shit. I don't really care, I never said H1B is a problem for all Americans or all jobs. It is specific to white STEM grads.
Why specifically white STEM grads


Spoiler alert: American tech companies headquartered and operating inside America, allowed to do so only at the discretion of America...is obligated towards American citizens.
If you want to live in a capitalist economy, the companies need to be competitive. Meaning they need to be globalized. They need to cut costs and take advantage of global talent. Because if they don’t, other businesses will.
 
If your STEM workers are willing to start working for less while offering same quality, companies would hire them. But they aren't....
That is companies abusing the system. If H1B was banned companies would no longer be able to hire foreign labor for dirt cheap anymore
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Why specifically white STEM grads
Because statistically that is the demographic that targets the same jobs Indian H1Bs target...? and is the demographic that is overwhelming the majority unemployed STEM grads...?
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
That is companies abusing the system. If H1B was banned companies would no longer be able to hire foreign labor for dirt cheap anymore
Lmao

They will simply shift manufacturing outside as they had been doing for ages now.

You know since Taco imposed Tariffs, 0 companies have entirely shifted their manufacturing to USA....Zero


You can ban H1B if you want.... because at the end, it will be the rest of the world who will benefit of cheap quality workforce and companies will simply shift where labour costs would be less this means more infrastructure for rest of the world...

So, go ahead lmao
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Manufacturing???


Fucking most of the jobs H1Bs have are not in "manufacturing". What are you talking about?
It was an example


You take tech, manufacturing, silicon valley


Labour costs matters. Infact, it's a massive chunk of production costs and major factor in deciding localisation of any enterprise or industry


So, go ahead, ban H1B.


Can't wait for companies to shift outside and build silicon valleys, production houses in the rest of the world
 
I have data and statistics this whole time. All you have is calling racism and saying something as shameless and fucked up as telling natives go work for daddy government which makes up maybe ~10% of available STEM jobs compared to private sector
What about all the private companies that do clearance work? Why can’t STEM grads work for those?

I do and so do a lot of my friends.

it’s much better work than the shit H1-Bs do. Long hours, probably needing to do significant coordination with teams in india(meaning india time meetings).
 
What about all the private companies that do clearance work? Why can’t STEM grads work for those?

I do and so do a lot of my friends.

it’s much better work than the shit H1-Bs do. Long hours, probably needing to do significant coordination with teams in india(meaning india time meetings).
why can't STEM grads work for jobs they are rightfully qualified for? why you have to reroute them to niche places because Microsoft want workers they can pay for much less and for shittiest hours and worst benefits?
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
You are a dumbass for saying companies would suddenly offshore if H1B got banned. No, they would continue production but Americans would be in such positions instead of Indians. This would result in companies saving less money but that is a good thing in this case.
If hiring your workforce was better alternative for companies then they would have done it already regardless of H1B visa.


And, trust me they will off-shore.

Well they are already doing it with H1B visa rules in place.

Apple is moving a significant chunk of their iPhone production line to India

Google is manufacturing one of its biggest facility in India.

I can go on because there are hell lot of companies from the West moving their production lines, assembly lines to India


Banning H1B visa means, Indian workforce will remain in India and companies would get to hire them much more cheaply than In USA so relocalisation.

What will stem workforce would do then? Where you will cry then?
 
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