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King, a swordsman and Kaido's #2, being Sanji's matchup on the basis of him being able to fly or use fire, never made sense. I'm talking about narrative logic based on Oda's way of doing things since pretty much the beginning of One Piece.
"Unarmed martial artist" doesn't mean they fought like Sanji lol. Rokushiki is nothing like Sanji's fighting style, same about fishman karate. The closest thing to Sanji's style was Bon Clay's, since he only used kicks, but that was the end of their similarities. King himself wasn't even an unarmed martial artist, so I don't see how that helps your case.
And an assumption not panning out could very well not pan out because it was never rooted in logic to begin with, which was the case here. Hence you can hardly make a case for King from a pure narrative standpoint and gotta rely on nonsensical similarities Oda never cared about.
The righ-hand man of the primary antagonist was never gonna lose to a secondary character. It was always obvious he was reserved for the deuteragonist of the story; which is Zoro.
Sanji is an unarmed martial artist. Kuroobi, Mr 2 and Jabra were all unarmed martial artists also.
Never though.
Never though.
And an assumption not panning out could very well not pan out because it was never rooted in logic to begin with, which was the case here. Hence you can hardly make a case for King from a pure narrative standpoint and gotta rely on nonsensical similarities Oda never cared about.
The righ-hand man of the primary antagonist was never gonna lose to a secondary character. It was always obvious he was reserved for the deuteragonist of the story; which is Zoro.
I see your point but the amount of parallels between Marco and King was kind of crazy
Both were the right hand man of an Emperor
Said Emperors both having "World's Strongest _____" titles
Both had bird related powers
Both had fire related powers
Both had captains who seem to be from special races (Whitebeard isn't confirmed to be from a special race but it's highly likely)
So on and so forth
Both were the right hand man of an Emperor
Said Emperors both having "World's Strongest _____" titles
Both had bird related powers
Both had fire related powers
Both had captains who seem to be from special races (Whitebeard isn't confirmed to be from a special race but it's highly likely)
So on and so forth
Yeah, but that reinforces my point about similarities not having anything to do with matchups even if they're actually intentional (and I reckon it was likely intentional with King and Marco), unless they have a real, deeper meaning from a pure story standpoint. Similarities between Marco and King were totally trivial and not relevant to the story in any shape or form, so it never had to mean Marco would take him down. The similarities between Zoro and King, however, were actually meaningful because there was a narrative angle to it, and Zoro was a main character.
Oda struggling to define his powers in a satisfying way had nothing to do with him being Zoro's opponent or not. But him being a swordsman (so tied to Zoro's goal) and the main antagonist's righ-hand man always meant he was gonna fall to the main protagonist's righ-hand man.
His bickering with the #3 of Kaido's crew was a dead giveaway, so I don't unterstand why it wasn't clear for everyone he was Zoro's matchup. Zoro going to the roof to fight Kaido never meant events wouldn't later unfold in a way that would lead to Zoro vs King, you gotta think long-term.
Oda struggling to define his powers in a satisfying way had nothing to do with him being Zoro's opponent or not. But him being a swordsman (so tied to Zoro's goal) and the main antagonist's righ-hand man always meant he was gonna fall to the main protagonist's righ-hand man.
His bickering with the #3 of Kaido's crew was a dead giveaway, so I don't unterstand why it wasn't clear for everyone he was Zoro's matchup. Zoro going to the roof to fight Kaido never meant events wouldn't later unfold in a way that would lead to Zoro vs King, you gotta think long-term.
Im starting to think the opposite
I think Aokiji being there is gonna be used to hype some of Teach's crewmates. It will show their growth in comparison to Kuzan's eventually
Initially the opposite was showed, i know.. but i think Oda's intent remains being show their growth using Aokiji as a benchmark.
I think Aokiji being there is gonna be used to hype some of Teach's crewmates. It will show their growth in comparison to Kuzan's eventually
Initially the opposite was showed, i know.. but i think Oda's intent remains being show their growth using Aokiji as a benchmark.
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Sanji beat Arlong's RHM Kuroobi his first arc as a Strawhat.
Jabra was the #1 option on his own team and the superior fighter to Kaku.
Absalom, while perhaps not the clear RHM over Hogback, unambiguously outranked Ryuuma.
Kaidou made King his RHM when they met in their youth. Years later, he and Queen were nevertheless equals in rank to Jack, with the two of them clearly displaying a dynamic of equals to each other and seniors to Jack. It's very clearly intended they - the strongest opponents Zoro and Sanji have defeated to date - were equals or as close as possible to it by design. In fact, Oda's never been more explicit about the opponents of Zoro and Sanji.
I suspect we will see a similar dynamic to the Beast Pirates with Shiryuu, Lafitte and Burgess.
Nobody's opponents in this series fights anyone exactly like them.
Bruva, Sanji ripped off the Rokushi to expand his own skillset.
Absalom wasn't an unarmed fighter either.
You're welcome to substantiate any of this at your earliest convenience.
So far all you've done is simply declare it so, like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy.
Jabra was the #1 option on his own team and the superior fighter to Kaku.
Absalom, while perhaps not the clear RHM over Hogback, unambiguously outranked Ryuuma.
Kaidou made King his RHM when they met in their youth. Years later, he and Queen were nevertheless equals in rank to Jack, with the two of them clearly displaying a dynamic of equals to each other and seniors to Jack. It's very clearly intended they - the strongest opponents Zoro and Sanji have defeated to date - were equals or as close as possible to it by design. In fact, Oda's never been more explicit about the opponents of Zoro and Sanji.
I suspect we will see a similar dynamic to the Beast Pirates with Shiryuu, Lafitte and Burgess.
Nobody's opponents in this series fights anyone exactly like them.
Bruva, Sanji ripped off the Rokushi to expand his own skillset.
Absalom wasn't an unarmed fighter either.
You're welcome to substantiate any of this at your earliest convenience.
So far all you've done is simply declare it so, like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy.
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Can but not always is the rule. Just like how bon clay did end up sanjis opponent with the shared parallels(there were more than just the kicking styles of fighting) you can also have matchups that dont share parralels.
The parralels are evidence... Just not strong evidence. Seeing a dark cloud could indicate rain. It does NOT mean its going to rain.
The parralels are evidence... Just not strong evidence. Seeing a dark cloud could indicate rain. It does NOT mean its going to rain.
Join you two? 
Better to be called outsider than to be an insider and called "frauds"
Better to be called outsider than to be an insider and called "frauds"
You can't sit on the table and delight yourself with the banquet that easily when we had all the work preparing the table and the whole food.
During my 4 and a half years being here, for the most part i've seen u against Sanji and Sanji fans.
You can't sit on the table and delight yourself with the banquet that easily when we had all the work preparing the table and the whole food.
You can't sit on the table and delight yourself with the banquet that easily when we had all the work preparing the table and the whole food.
