Future Events What Sanji vs King means to Zoro future opponent and how it all connects to Luffy vs Katakuri
- Thread starter Tobra
- Start date
- Tags king d. background
Not to be rude but is English your second language or are you just incapable of following a basic hypothetical argument?
I created the NOTDORIKIATALL measure to encompass all of Lucci's attributes and assigned 4000 for scale. If you want to claim that the gap between Kaku and Jyabura is larger than 20, 100, 200 points when all attributes are considered then you are creeping closer to Lucci on the scale.
If you think that measure is unfair, how about this:
Lucci's Doriki 4000 points, fruit 500 points, combat skill 500 points.
Jyabura Doriki 2180 points, fruit 450 points combat skill 150 points
Kaku Doriki 2200 points, fruit ??? points, combat skill ??? points
Say you give Kaku 400 for his fruit and 300 points for his combat skill, that puts him at 2900 vs. 2780, still nearly equal in my mind.
So outside of abstract claims that Kaku and Jyabura are not equals, where is the line?
I created the NOTDORIKIATALL measure to encompass all of Lucci's attributes and assigned 4000 for scale. If you want to claim that the gap between Kaku and Jyabura is larger than 20, 100, 200 points when all attributes are considered then you are creeping closer to Lucci on the scale.
If you think that measure is unfair, how about this:
Lucci's Doriki 4000 points, fruit 500 points, combat skill 500 points.
Jyabura Doriki 2180 points, fruit 450 points combat skill 150 points
Kaku Doriki 2200 points, fruit ??? points, combat skill ??? points
Say you give Kaku 400 for his fruit and 300 points for his combat skill, that puts him at 2900 vs. 2780, still nearly equal in my mind.
So outside of abstract claims that Kaku and Jyabura are not equals, where is the line?
Your theory seems to depend on BM changing.
If Kaido is killed while Big Mom survives as a baddie, Wano will be hers. The thing is, we don't know for sure if BM will turn face, so it's too early to say that with absolute confidence. She's here to kill Luffy, after all. WCI with the wedding cake vaganza pretty much established that unless her goal is satiated, she does not stop. Even with O-Lin or Marco & Peros hanging out together, I see little to no reason to believe anything about her evil will shift.
Besides, like I said, I see merit in both Zoro vs King and Zoro vs Queen, so even if Zoro vs King happens instead of Zoro vs Queen, it's okay with me.
If Kaido is killed while Big Mom survives as a baddie, Wano will be hers. The thing is, we don't know for sure if BM will turn face, so it's too early to say that with absolute confidence. She's here to kill Luffy, after all. WCI with the wedding cake vaganza pretty much established that unless her goal is satiated, she does not stop. Even with O-Lin or Marco & Peros hanging out together, I see little to no reason to believe anything about her evil will shift.
Besides, like I said, I see merit in both Zoro vs King and Zoro vs Queen, so even if Zoro vs King happens instead of Zoro vs Queen, it's okay with me.
If you lowball G2 based on poor showings sure, if you see it speedblitz page one while speedblitzing Ulti, or escaping the epicentre of an explosion on punk hazard then no. Zoro has good duelling speed, but not to the level of g2 by any stretch of the imagination. G2 boosted his speed to allow him to outspeed a 4000 douriki man who had a faster zoan than Kaku and who had better movement techniques.
Kuma wasn't serious as we know now, and using pre skip to seriously power scale can be a bit silly when Croc, Moria and Kuma somehow don't use haki and croc can keep up with G2 and G3 despite not being able to keep up with end of alabasta Luffy.
I'm not going to argue the other points with you because we are going around in circles
No numbers then? stop responding and wasting my time. It's really bad faith arguing. Muh sword is not an argument.
Kuma wasn't serious as we know now, and using pre skip to seriously power scale can be a bit silly when Croc, Moria and Kuma somehow don't use haki and croc can keep up with G2 and G3 despite not being able to keep up with end of alabasta Luffy.
I'm not going to argue the other points with you because we are going around in circles
Post automatically merged:
No numbers then? stop responding and wasting my time. It's really bad faith arguing. Muh sword is not an argument.
Okay let me just prove you wrong one last time and if you still don't listen ur an idiot and just delusional troll
This is the begining of the chapter where franky shot a beam at one of the numbers whos holding ussop and chopper
you keep claiming that minutes passed because all these events are happening but oda is just showing things all in a single time period you cannot say that every single new panels minutes have passed.
This is the middle of the chapter
the NUMBER that got shot by the radical beam is STILL FALLING. Now the robot the chopper and ussop are in barely came off the hands of the monster. USSOP and CHOPPER SAY ITS DOCKING TIME AS THEY ARE FALLING OUT OF THE AIR
Here is the end of the chapter where the number who was shot STILL DID NOT TOUCH THE GROUND but is FALLING. Which means this whole chapter is literally happening in seconds and each event minutes are not passing by but actually just oda telling the story from different peoples perspective in a single time frame.
this is another proof of that it got shifted to Zoro and Luffy and the monster is STILL FALLING FROM THE RADICAL BEAM from the begining of the chapter and the SMOKE didn';t even fade yet from the attack. So your arguement that the scene shifting between everyone is "minutes" passing just doesn't make any sense. Like i said this is oda using the numbers to show us that SECONDS have passed by of all these events occuring. KING LEFT TO LUFFY AND ZORO BEFORE THE NUMBER EVEN FELL THAT WAS FROM THE BEGINING OF THE CHAPTER HE WAS SHOT..
now here is the end where the robot ussop and chopper were in is STILL FLOATING IN THE AIR FROM THE TIME THE NUMBER LET GO OF THE ROBOT. Now the robot is transforming and ussop and chopper got out STILL FLOATING IN THE AIR. Then the number finally goes down. THIS IS ALL HAPPENING WITHIN SECONDS.
LETS GO BACK TO USSOP AND CHOPPER SAYING ITS DOCING TIME A FEW PANELS BEFORE. ONLY NOW THEY REACHED DOCKING AND THEY ARE STILL FALLING FROM THE AIR (LMAOO!! HOW FAR WERE THEY FALLING? 20000 FEET? NOPE JUST 10-20 FEET BUT MINUTES HAVE PASSED BY? HAHA DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH)
FINALLY THE NUMBER HIT THE FLOOR AND SANJI IS GETTING UP
SO in the end this whole event this chapter is happening in seconds within each other and oda just changes to different characters but the time frame are all in the same time frame.
Okay now i know that this is still not enough for ur peanut brain so lets see here
Now lets talk about ur fantasy and delusions that Minutes have passed and Sanji was "Knocked out"
Even if minutes have passed their (which it didn't btw) there is no proof that sanji was ever unconcious.
Your two "headcannon" that never happened but you are SURE that happened
When people get knocked into a building or get into a car accident they don't move right away. Their body will be sore or they will be dazed for a second. To say that Sanji is "knocked out" out of countless possiblites and act like your correct is stupid.
King went to retreive his flying squad? Are you kidding me ? Are they petts of something? The flying squad could have already been close and ready for anything and just flew up their when they saw him.
Both of these things never happened in the manga Both are coming from your imagination.
This is luffy knocking doflamingo through a building
After he was knocked through the building we switch to law and cavendish
then after that we switch to rebbecca walking down the spider net robin created
then we switch to leos group
then FINALLY AFTER SO MANY PANELS
We see doflamingo sitting down on top of the knocked building thinking to himself (NOT KNOCKED OUT)
This is just one of the examples i want to show you due to so many panels i need to post but your theory is based on your own imagination thinking that you know the exact events happening off panels and that a lot of time has passed since sanji was knocked into the building ( which it hasn't ) .
This is the last time im quoting you on this topic because if you still can't see it you will never be able to see it because your so clouded by the Sanji hate and is feeling threatened by Sanji so you have to make your own false narritive based on stuff that never happened on panel.
Any time someone use the "Sanji was koed by king for a few minutes bullshit" just copy paste this post and ur good. this is all the proof u need
This is the begining of the chapter where franky shot a beam at one of the numbers whos holding ussop and chopper
you keep claiming that minutes passed because all these events are happening but oda is just showing things all in a single time period you cannot say that every single new panels minutes have passed.
This is the middle of the chapter
the NUMBER that got shot by the radical beam is STILL FALLING. Now the robot the chopper and ussop are in barely came off the hands of the monster. USSOP and CHOPPER SAY ITS DOCKING TIME AS THEY ARE FALLING OUT OF THE AIR
Here is the end of the chapter where the number who was shot STILL DID NOT TOUCH THE GROUND but is FALLING. Which means this whole chapter is literally happening in seconds and each event minutes are not passing by but actually just oda telling the story from different peoples perspective in a single time frame.
this is another proof of that it got shifted to Zoro and Luffy and the monster is STILL FALLING FROM THE RADICAL BEAM from the begining of the chapter and the SMOKE didn';t even fade yet from the attack. So your arguement that the scene shifting between everyone is "minutes" passing just doesn't make any sense. Like i said this is oda using the numbers to show us that SECONDS have passed by of all these events occuring. KING LEFT TO LUFFY AND ZORO BEFORE THE NUMBER EVEN FELL THAT WAS FROM THE BEGINING OF THE CHAPTER HE WAS SHOT..
now here is the end where the robot ussop and chopper were in is STILL FLOATING IN THE AIR FROM THE TIME THE NUMBER LET GO OF THE ROBOT. Now the robot is transforming and ussop and chopper got out STILL FLOATING IN THE AIR. Then the number finally goes down. THIS IS ALL HAPPENING WITHIN SECONDS.
LETS GO BACK TO USSOP AND CHOPPER SAYING ITS DOCING TIME A FEW PANELS BEFORE. ONLY NOW THEY REACHED DOCKING AND THEY ARE STILL FALLING FROM THE AIR (LMAOO!! HOW FAR WERE THEY FALLING? 20000 FEET? NOPE JUST 10-20 FEET BUT MINUTES HAVE PASSED BY? HAHA DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH)
FINALLY THE NUMBER HIT THE FLOOR AND SANJI IS GETTING UP
SO in the end this whole event this chapter is happening in seconds within each other and oda just changes to different characters but the time frame are all in the same time frame.
Okay now i know that this is still not enough for ur peanut brain so lets see here
Now lets talk about ur fantasy and delusions that Minutes have passed and Sanji was "Knocked out"
Even if minutes have passed their (which it didn't btw) there is no proof that sanji was ever unconcious.
Your two "headcannon" that never happened but you are SURE that happened
When people get knocked into a building or get into a car accident they don't move right away. Their body will be sore or they will be dazed for a second. To say that Sanji is "knocked out" out of countless possiblites and act like your correct is stupid.
King went to retreive his flying squad? Are you kidding me ? Are they petts of something? The flying squad could have already been close and ready for anything and just flew up their when they saw him.
Both of these things never happened in the manga Both are coming from your imagination.
This is luffy knocking doflamingo through a building
After he was knocked through the building we switch to law and cavendish
then after that we switch to rebbecca walking down the spider net robin created
then we switch to leos group
then FINALLY AFTER SO MANY PANELS
We see doflamingo sitting down on top of the knocked building thinking to himself (NOT KNOCKED OUT)
This is just one of the examples i want to show you due to so many panels i need to post but your theory is based on your own imagination thinking that you know the exact events happening off panels and that a lot of time has passed since sanji was knocked into the building ( which it hasn't ) .
This is the last time im quoting you on this topic because if you still can't see it you will never be able to see it because your so clouded by the Sanji hate and is feeling threatened by Sanji so you have to make your own false narritive based on stuff that never happened on panel.
Any time someone use the "Sanji was koed by king for a few minutes bullshit" just copy paste this post and ur good. this is all the proof u need
It is like 30 seconds.
This is Luffy on Page 2, before all of the Big Mom/Numbers stuff
As you can see in the bottom right there is a hole. This hole is from Yamato's handcuffs exploding.
This explosion happened right below the execution platform. (You can see the same trees on the stone just like the Luffy panel)
So Luffy on Page 2 is seconds away from the Luffy we see on Page 12.
So either all the stuff that happened with Franky took place in like 2 seconds or the Frank/Luffy scenes were happening simultaneously.
Minutes makes no sense though
This is Luffy on Page 2, before all of the Big Mom/Numbers stuff
As you can see in the bottom right there is a hole. This hole is from Yamato's handcuffs exploding.
This explosion happened right below the execution platform. (You can see the same trees on the stone just like the Luffy panel)
So Luffy on Page 2 is seconds away from the Luffy we see on Page 12.
So either all the stuff that happened with Franky took place in like 2 seconds or the Frank/Luffy scenes were happening simultaneously.
Minutes makes no sense though
Okay let me just prove you wrong one last time and if you still don't listen ur an idiot and just delusional troll
This is the begining of the chapter where franky shot a beam at one of the numbers whos holding ussop and chopper
you keep claiming that minutes passed because all these events are happening but oda is just showing things all in a single time period you cannot say that every single new panels minutes have passed.
This is the middle of the chapter
the NUMBER that got shot by the radical beam is STILL FALLING. Now the robot the chopper and ussop are in barely came off the hands of the monster. USSOP and CHOPPER SAY ITS DOCKING TIME AS THEY ARE FALLING OUT OF THE AIR
Here is the end of the chapter where the number who was shot STILL DID NOT TOUCH THE GROUND but is FALLING. Which means this whole chapter is literally happening in seconds and each event minutes are not passing by but actually just oda telling the story from different peoples perspective in a single time frame.
this is another proof of that it got shifted to Zoro and Luffy and the monster is STILL FALLING FROM THE RADICAL BEAM from the begining of the chapter and the SMOKE didn';t even fade yet from the attack. So your arguement that the scene shifting between everyone is "minutes" passing just doesn't make any sense. Like i said this is oda using the numbers to show us that SECONDS have passed by of all these events occuring. KING LEFT TO LUFFY AND ZORO BEFORE THE NUMBER EVEN FELL THAT WAS FROM THE BEGINING OF THE CHAPTER HE WAS SHOT..
now here is the end where the robot ussop and chopper were in is STILL FLOATING IN THE AIR FROM THE TIME THE NUMBER LET GO OF THE ROBOT. Now the robot is transforming and ussop and chopper got out STILL FLOATING IN THE AIR. Then the number finally goes down. THIS IS ALL HAPPENING WITHIN SECONDS.
LETS GO BACK TO USSOP AND CHOPPER SAYING ITS DOCING TIME A FEW PANELS BEFORE. ONLY NOW THEY REACHED DOCKING AND THEY ARE STILL FALLING FROM THE AIR (LMAOO!! HOW FAR WERE THEY FALLING? 20000 FEET? NOPE JUST 10-20 FEET BUT MINUTES HAVE PASSED BY? HAHA DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH)
FINALLY THE NUMBER HIT THE FLOOR AND SANJI IS GETTING UP
SO in the end this whole event this chapter is happening in seconds within each other and oda just changes to different characters but the time frame are all in the same time frame.
Okay now i know that this is still not enough for ur peanut brain so lets see here
Now lets talk about ur fantasy and delusions that Minutes have passed and Sanji was "Knocked out"
Even if minutes have passed their (which it didn't btw) there is no proof that sanji was ever unconcious.
Your two "headcannon" that never happened but you are SURE that happened
When people get knocked into a building or get into a car accident they don't move right away. Their body will be sore or they will be dazed for a second. To say that Sanji is "knocked out" out of countless possiblites and act like your correct is stupid.
King went to retreive his flying squad? Are you kidding me ? Are they petts of something? The flying squad could have already been close and ready for anything and just flew up their when they saw him.
Both of these things never happened in the manga Both are coming from your imagination.
This is luffy knocking doflamingo through a building
After he was knocked through the building we switch to law and cavendish
then after that we switch to rebbecca walking down the spider net robin created
then we switch to leos group
then FINALLY AFTER SO MANY PANELS
We see doflamingo sitting down on top of the knocked building thinking to himself (NOT KNOCKED OUT)
This is just one of the examples i want to show you due to so many panels i need to post but your theory is based on your own imagination thinking that you know the exact events happening off panels and that a lot of time has passed since sanji was knocked into the building ( which it hasn't ) .
This is the last time im quoting you on this topic because if you still can't see it you will never be able to see it because your so clouded by the Sanji hate and is feeling threatened by Sanji so you have to make your own false narritive based on stuff that never happened on panel.
This is the begining of the chapter where franky shot a beam at one of the numbers whos holding ussop and chopper
you keep claiming that minutes passed because all these events are happening but oda is just showing things all in a single time period you cannot say that every single new panels minutes have passed.
This is the middle of the chapter
the NUMBER that got shot by the radical beam is STILL FALLING. Now the robot the chopper and ussop are in barely came off the hands of the monster. USSOP and CHOPPER SAY ITS DOCKING TIME AS THEY ARE FALLING OUT OF THE AIR
Here is the end of the chapter where the number who was shot STILL DID NOT TOUCH THE GROUND but is FALLING. Which means this whole chapter is literally happening in seconds and each event minutes are not passing by but actually just oda telling the story from different peoples perspective in a single time frame.
this is another proof of that it got shifted to Zoro and Luffy and the monster is STILL FALLING FROM THE RADICAL BEAM from the begining of the chapter and the SMOKE didn';t even fade yet from the attack. So your arguement that the scene shifting between everyone is "minutes" passing just doesn't make any sense. Like i said this is oda using the numbers to show us that SECONDS have passed by of all these events occuring. KING LEFT TO LUFFY AND ZORO BEFORE THE NUMBER EVEN FELL THAT WAS FROM THE BEGINING OF THE CHAPTER HE WAS SHOT..
now here is the end where the robot ussop and chopper were in is STILL FLOATING IN THE AIR FROM THE TIME THE NUMBER LET GO OF THE ROBOT. Now the robot is transforming and ussop and chopper got out STILL FLOATING IN THE AIR. Then the number finally goes down. THIS IS ALL HAPPENING WITHIN SECONDS.
LETS GO BACK TO USSOP AND CHOPPER SAYING ITS DOCING TIME A FEW PANELS BEFORE. ONLY NOW THEY REACHED DOCKING AND THEY ARE STILL FALLING FROM THE AIR (LMAOO!! HOW FAR WERE THEY FALLING? 20000 FEET? NOPE JUST 10-20 FEET BUT MINUTES HAVE PASSED BY? HAHA DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH)
FINALLY THE NUMBER HIT THE FLOOR AND SANJI IS GETTING UP
SO in the end this whole event this chapter is happening in seconds within each other and oda just changes to different characters but the time frame are all in the same time frame.
Okay now i know that this is still not enough for ur peanut brain so lets see here
Now lets talk about ur fantasy and delusions that Minutes have passed and Sanji was "Knocked out"
Even if minutes have passed their (which it didn't btw) there is no proof that sanji was ever unconcious.
Your two "headcannon" that never happened but you are SURE that happened
When people get knocked into a building or get into a car accident they don't move right away. Their body will be sore or they will be dazed for a second. To say that Sanji is "knocked out" out of countless possiblites and act like your correct is stupid.
King went to retreive his flying squad? Are you kidding me ? Are they petts of something? The flying squad could have already been close and ready for anything and just flew up their when they saw him.
Both of these things never happened in the manga Both are coming from your imagination.
This is luffy knocking doflamingo through a building
After he was knocked through the building we switch to law and cavendish
then after that we switch to rebbecca walking down the spider net robin created
then we switch to leos group
then FINALLY AFTER SO MANY PANELS
We see doflamingo sitting down on top of the knocked building thinking to himself (NOT KNOCKED OUT)
This is just one of the examples i want to show you due to so many panels i need to post but your theory is based on your own imagination thinking that you know the exact events happening off panels and that a lot of time has passed since sanji was knocked into the building ( which it hasn't ) .
This is the last time im quoting you on this topic because if you still can't see it you will never be able to see it because your so clouded by the Sanji hate and is feeling threatened by Sanji so you have to make your own false narritive based on stuff that never happened on panel.
And don't get up until the number hits the ground
It is like 30 seconds.
This is Luffy on Page 2, before all of the Big Mom/Numbers stuff
As you can see in the bottom right there is a hole. This hole is from Yamato's handcuffs exploding.
This explosion happened right below the execution platform. (You can see the same trees on the stone just like the Luffy panel)
So Luffy on Page 2 is seconds away from the Luffy we see on Page 12.
So either all the stuff that happened with Franky took place in like 2 seconds or the Frank/Luffy scenes were happening simultaneously.
Minutes makes no sense though
This is Luffy on Page 2, before all of the Big Mom/Numbers stuff
As you can see in the bottom right there is a hole. This hole is from Yamato's handcuffs exploding.
This explosion happened right below the execution platform. (You can see the same trees on the stone just like the Luffy panel)
So Luffy on Page 2 is seconds away from the Luffy we see on Page 12.
So either all the stuff that happened with Franky took place in like 2 seconds or the Frank/Luffy scenes were happening simultaneously.
Minutes makes no sense though
Nope sanji was kod as proven here
This is when sanji is hit.
In that time luffy leaves big mom and the rest
gets to zoro and flies up
and they both get intercepted by queen and sent back down as king assembles the flying force and reaches queen again
whilst franky aims a beam at meme THEN the numbers show so he fires at them
Then meme attacks franky is sent flying by jinbe and robin as the number is still falling.
Finally after all that as the number hits the floor sanji comes to and finally gets up.
Unless you think sanji was playing dead
As for zoro the reason he fainted was clear (and even made more clear in the anime)
Notice the glurrgg also used here
So now we destroyed your shitty point again
whats sanji who was kod by kings beak gonna do when king tries
gets to zoro and flies up
and they both get intercepted by queen and sent back down as king assembles the flying force and reaches queen again
whilst franky aims a beam at meme THEN the numbers show so he fires at them
Then meme attacks franky is sent flying by jinbe and robin as the number is still falling.
Unless you think sanji was playing dead
As for zoro the reason he fainted was clear (and even made more clear in the anime)
So now we destroyed your shitty point again
whats sanji who was kod by kings beak gonna do when king tries
It's seems like I have to destroy your headcanon one more time HA-san
This is when King threw Sanji on the surface of the building, but the panel that is shown Sanji, he is already on the floor on the side of the building. Everything that happened off the panel may just have Sanji coming out of the rubble and walking towards the battlefield again.
All of these events are happening WHILE brachio tank is falling with the number from Franky's attack
You can see that Sanji is there while the tank is falling
This whole chapter is just multiple events happening at once
For example, character A is going to buy a coffee and then we switched to character B who is riding a bicycle and then we switched back to character A who just purchased the coffee cup. Simple math really
These panels above are a example of multi-events as you can see:cheers:
This is an example of KOd
And this is not an example of KOd
And this is what happen when King uses his sword
Can't even kill Raizo
Got cockblocked by Veteran Izo
King's sword would literally break or melted the moment it contacts Sanji
