Chapter Discussion Official English Translation Of "Controversial" Part Of This Chapter
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None of us are fucking speaking spanish, what does the french say the german etc
who gives af we talking english using the english translation
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no dumbass hes watching drake and zoro below and he moans about drake and says an that guys zoro we need to take out 2 3 guys
THEN he talks sanji
who gives af we talking english using the english translation
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no dumbass hes watching drake and zoro below and he moans about drake and says an that guys zoro we need to take out 2 3 guys
THEN he talks sanji
Not the point. He used the Spanish translation, which is then translated into English.
The Japanese just has Luffy saying he"ll do it, not that he'll help Sanji. Context is important and nothing in that language specifies otherwise. Some translators applied their own interpretation of that context and believe Luffy meant to assist Sanji, others (like Stephen) think Luffy is being hard-headed and he'll do it by himself.
Neither translation is exactly "wrong", you can't translate Japanese with perfect English 1:1
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Read my post to @Rosella.Fiamingo
Neither is wrong, and its up to the translator based on context. I will always take Stephen's side in this case over unofficial English ones because of his experience in translating manga with context, but neither is "wrong"
The Japanese just has Luffy saying he"ll do it, not that he'll help Sanji. Context is important and nothing in that language specifies otherwise. Some translators applied their own interpretation of that context and believe Luffy meant to assist Sanji, others (like Stephen) think Luffy is being hard-headed and he'll do it by himself.
Neither translation is exactly "wrong", you can't translate Japanese with perfect English 1:1
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Read my post to @Rosella.Fiamingo
Neither is wrong, and its up to the translator based on context. I will always take Stephen's side in this case over unofficial English ones because of his experience in translating manga with context, but neither is "wrong"
There is no point in bringing up the spanish translation . It isn't really trustworthy even though it is the"official "
And since when Jio started doing translations?
This is situation is pretty much similar to The Franky and ships debacle where all translations went with 10.000 and Stephen went with 100.000 and ended up being right.
And since when Jio started doing translations?
This is situation is pretty much similar to The Franky and ships debacle where all translations went with 10.000 and Stephen went with 100.000 and ended up being right.
The thing is that English is just another language and the translation you are reading is just a secondary product made for one language. The English translation isn't the true dialogue, just something adapted for guys who speak English, and the issue here is that another official translation for a language as valid as yours happened to interpret the original words in a different way (and more importantly: it fit earlier, unofficial translations). So either you don't want to discuss actual One Piece but its "English shadow", whether it's accurate to the reality of the manga or not, or you should accept that what the Spanish version is saying may be (or not) what Oda actually wrote.
There is no point in bringing up the spanish translation . It isn't really trustworthy even though it is the"official "
And since when Jio started doing translations?
This is situation is pretty much similar to The Franky and ships debacle where all translations went with 10.000 and Stephen went with 100.000 and ended up being right.
And since when Jio started doing translations?
This is situation is pretty much similar to The Franky and ships debacle where all translations went with 10.000 and Stephen went with 100.000 and ended up being right.
Sanji is not counted among the 2nd and 3rd strongest, period.
There was no L for Sanji fans to take this chapter until they created it themselves.
It's all thanks to the likes of @Chrono , @kurwa , @Jackteo and @Chaves ...
They are doing more harm than good to Sanji fandom.
Are you guys secretly working for the opposite side?
There was no L for Sanji fans to take this chapter until they created it themselves.
It's all thanks to the likes of @Chrono , @kurwa , @Jackteo and @Chaves ...
They are doing more harm than good to Sanji fandom.
Are you guys secretly working for the opposite side?
It's not exactly the same thing. The structure of "and (...) too" used for the sentence about Sanji being Judge's son should put him apart from the previous phrase. It doesn't really make sense for Sanji to be included in the "second and third strongest" part yet be addressed as someone who's in the crew "too" immediately later.
The point is "experience" and as some users have already noted in this thread, the official Spanish translation has been referred to as "inaccurate", though I wouldn't even go that far.
I try and stress context as much as I can, because this is the same shit Artur got into an argument with Stephen over on Twitter and lost horribly. Luffy is quite literally saying that with him there, it'll take 3 seconds. However, CONTEXT dictates that you can either specify Luffy saying HE can do it in 3 seconds or TOGETHER with his help they can do it in 3 seconds.
Translating Japanese is not easy and why honestly I stopped having the time to study for it. You can read shit literally, but time and time again you can get proven wrong by context alone. Stephen simply took Sanji/Luffy arguing as Luffy thinking he can get it done faster, insulting Sanji, then Jinbe comes out of nowhere and shows them both up. That's the whole gag, at LEAST to Stephen's view in my opinion. He could probably write several paragraphs as to why he chose to translate it this way.
I try and stress context as much as I can, because this is the same shit Artur got into an argument with Stephen over on Twitter and lost horribly. Luffy is quite literally saying that with him there, it'll take 3 seconds. However, CONTEXT dictates that you can either specify Luffy saying HE can do it in 3 seconds or TOGETHER with his help they can do it in 3 seconds.
Translating Japanese is not easy and why honestly I stopped having the time to study for it. You can read shit literally, but time and time again you can get proven wrong by context alone. Stephen simply took Sanji/Luffy arguing as Luffy thinking he can get it done faster, insulting Sanji, then Jinbe comes out of nowhere and shows them both up. That's the whole gag, at LEAST to Stephen's view in my opinion. He could probably write several paragraphs as to why he chose to translate it this way.
