Powers & Abilities Why the black blade puts Mihawk and Ryuma above Oden by default
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@Celestial D. Dragon Cabaji was spitting fire and kicking you with knifes in his shoes, yet Zoro said if Cabaji considers himself a swordsman, he is not allowed to lose to him. Kaku wasn't a pure swordsman either, as he has the full range of Rokushiki at his disposal. Woud be odd if Zoro, upon losing to Roger, would consider himself the world's strongest because Roger is not a swordsman "in the strictest sense". What would the title be worth if 80% are not swordsmen in the strictest sense?
There's a reason why the other "world's strongest" title holders are not swordsmen. Whitebeard, the WSM doesn't use a sword but a bisento, Kaido the WSC doesn't use a sword but a club. So Oda makes sure to not give those WS title holders swords at all, instead of giving them swords "among other powers".
Yes, Cabaji is a Swordsman by his own admission, so that is the path he follows in life. We can't take it any other way, because it is told to us.
Daz Bones says he's not a Swordsman, so by his own admission we cannot classify him as one, even though he seems to fit the build.
So tell me, outside of us knowing Roger knows how to use a sword, what classifies him as a Swordsman, when we know he didn't always use a sword?
Daz Bones says he's not a Swordsman, so by his own admission we cannot classify him as one, even though he seems to fit the build.
So tell me, outside of us knowing Roger knows how to use a sword, what classifies him as a Swordsman, when we know he didn't always use a sword?
Literally this.
There's no inconsistency.
The story makes complete sense and no titles are broken as long as you respect a few key assumptions.
1. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman, so on every list, he should be above: Shanks, Fujitora, and Big Mom.
2. If we're talking about the beginning of pre-time skip, Whitebeard is the strongest man and therefore is above even Mihawk.
So,
Whitebeard > None sword users who are stronger than Mihawk > Mihawk > (sword users + etc).
Post time skip, you can interpret Kaido's "title" in two ways.
Either Oda is saying "people say ..." on purpose because Kaido isn't actually the strongest (which is what I personally think)
(None sword users who are stronger than Mihawk > Mihawk > sword users + etc)
or
Kaido is actually the strongest.
(Kaido > None sword users who are stronger than Mihawk > Mihawk > sword users + etc).
If you maintain these relationships based on the titles, you will not have any inconsistencies with power scaling.
There's no inconsistency.
The story makes complete sense and no titles are broken as long as you respect a few key assumptions.
1. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman, so on every list, he should be above: Shanks, Fujitora, and Big Mom.
2. If we're talking about the beginning of pre-time skip, Whitebeard is the strongest man and therefore is above even Mihawk.
So,
Whitebeard > None sword users who are stronger than Mihawk > Mihawk > (sword users + etc).
Post time skip, you can interpret Kaido's "title" in two ways.
Either Oda is saying "people say ..." on purpose because Kaido isn't actually the strongest (which is what I personally think)
(None sword users who are stronger than Mihawk > Mihawk > sword users + etc)
or
Kaido is actually the strongest.
(Kaido > None sword users who are stronger than Mihawk > Mihawk > sword users + etc).
If you maintain these relationships based on the titles, you will not have any inconsistencies with power scaling.
I mean couldn't Roger do those same things with another weapon? If he could coat a Sword in Haki like that, he could do the same with another weapon, just like Zoro was able to coat Killer's scythe. Just cause a Sword is his weapon of choice, it doesn't mean he's a Swordsman in the same sense as Oden/Zoro/Mihawk. Same principle applies to Big Mom. She knows how to use a Sword, but she fights in a multitude of different styles.
Like I said, characters Oda wants us to know who are Swordsman, he explicitly tells the readers in one way or another.
Like I said, characters Oda wants us to know who are Swordsman, he explicitly tells the readers in one way or another.
See that's the problem.
Letting the reader know that a character is a swordsman is as simple as drawing that character with/using a sword multiple times.
But you and other readers have created this notion that certain characters with swords aren't really swordsmen, so you want additional ways for them to be called swordsmen.
Letting the reader know that a character is a swordsman is as simple as drawing that character with/using a sword multiple times.
But you and other readers have created this notion that certain characters with swords aren't really swordsmen, so you want additional ways for them to be called swordsmen.
Are you reading through the Wano arc? Oda has made it abundantly obvious that there is a clear distinction between those who can fight with a Sword, and those who should be considered Swordsman in the truest sense.
No, you're just being ignorant to the points I am making. You guys just go "Look! A he knows how to use a Sword! Must be a Swordsman!"
You can't even differentiate between those who embody the way of life of a Swordsman like Oden, Mihawk, The Samurai, Zoro, and those who just know how to use a Sword, so they do, to compliment their fight style.
I can't fix your guys ignorance, so this conversation is pointless to continue.
No, you're just being ignorant to the points I am making. You guys just go "Look! A he knows how to use a Sword! Must be a Swordsman!"
You can't even differentiate between those who embody the way of life of a Swordsman like Oden, Mihawk, The Samurai, Zoro, and those who just know how to use a Sword, so they do, to compliment their fight style.
I can't fix your guys ignorance, so this conversation is pointless to continue.