Powers & Abilities Is Law and the Ope Ope no Mi fair game in the WSS competition?
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the idea of someone being called "World Strongest Swordsman" without being Best Swordsman is stupid
Swordsmanship is a skill
Sword-skill was is and always will be no.1 factor about this title
that's why Zoro NEVER wanted a DF
that's why Mihawk NEVER WILL use a DF
that's why Zoro promised to "surpass" Mihawk not just "beat" him
that's why Roger wasn't WSS of it's time
WSS HAVE TO BE Most skilled swordsman and that's it
Swordsmanship is a skill
Sword-skill was is and always will be no.1 factor about this title
that's why Zoro NEVER wanted a DF
that's why Mihawk NEVER WILL use a DF
that's why Zoro promised to "surpass" Mihawk not just "beat" him
that's why Roger wasn't WSS of it's time
WSS HAVE TO BE Most skilled swordsman and that's it
Not arguing whether Law > Zoro but whether Law > Zoro would make Law the WSS if Zoro was stomped by Law's DF alone.
Sorry, but you are incapable of reading, or reasoning. I said in the opening, versatility does not exclude you from the WSS competition, as long swordsmanship is your main and/or strongest asset. Invisibility increases Shiryu's versatility and makes him harder to tag, but his main and strongest power is still swordsmanship. Invisibility is just a bonus.
It's fundamentally different from Law or Kizaru.
so it doesn't make sense for mihawk to lose his title against shiryu who has invisibility df 
It's fundamentally different from Law or Kizaru.
oda stated he is a swordman genius 
No idea why someone would try to convolute something clear.
The guy that created Law thinks of him as a swordsman. Legit, after this nothing else is needed.
4人の剣士は敵なし！ブルック？- The four swordsmen are invincible! Brook!?
But let's go a step further.
Law is in possession of a cursed sword
Law is the guy that lectures a swordsman like Tashigi on what it means to be a swordsman and swordsman spirit.
Law's fighting style completely revolves around the use of sword.
Law is a swordsman.
The guy that created Law thinks of him as a swordsman. Legit, after this nothing else is needed.
4人の剣士は敵なし！ブルック？- The four swordsmen are invincible! Brook!?
But let's go a step further.
Law is in possession of a cursed sword
Law's fighting style completely revolves around the use of sword.
Law is a swordsman.
Post both text box side by side, that’s my argument.... Ur claiming Law identical to Fuji, so post there official text box. There’s a noticeable difference
while oda stated that law and zoro are swordmen and both of them some lessons about the spirit of swordmen so oda statement doesn't mean anything
desperation because they know what's happening afterwards
Zoro is called a fighter in his text box and he is a swordman while oda stated that law and zoro are swordmen and both of them some lessons about the spirit of swordmen
so oda statement doesn't mean anything desperation because they know what's happening afterwards
while oda stated that law and zoro are swordmen and both of them some lessons about the spirit of swordmen so oda statement doesn't mean anything
desperation because they know what's happening afterwards
What exactly defines a swordsman in the One Piece world? To answer this question you need to understand how Oda want you to perceive a swordsman.
Was it this clown in Cabiji who rode a unicycle, and practiced circus tricks?
Was it this fish with 6 arms who's strong even without the use of swords?
Or was it this man made out of metal who claimed he was an assassin, and not a swordsman? Only for Zoro to brand him as such in the first confrontation.
Or even this bitch with wings who utilized a whip like weapon capable of taking any form, rather then a conventional sword?
Was it also this giraffe-man who's mastered the 6 styles and was already a superhuman in base?
I can go on and on and include the likes of Pica and even Fujitora who's literally a top tier swordsman with an op df. Oda considers them all to be swordsmen. So why wouldn't a guy equipped with a cursed sword, who uses it for everything combat related not be considered a swordsman?
Regardless of who they are, and what powers they hold if they're considered a swordsman by Oda, they will be below Zoro come EOS, just all all his previous opponents.
That means Shanks. That means Mihawk. And that also means Law.
Was it this clown in Cabiji who rode a unicycle, and practiced circus tricks?
Was it this fish with 6 arms who's strong even without the use of swords?
Or was it this man made out of metal who claimed he was an assassin, and not a swordsman? Only for Zoro to brand him as such in the first confrontation.
Or even this bitch with wings who utilized a whip like weapon capable of taking any form, rather then a conventional sword?
Was it also this giraffe-man who's mastered the 6 styles and was already a superhuman in base?
I can go on and on and include the likes of Pica and even Fujitora who's literally a top tier swordsman with an op df. Oda considers them all to be swordsmen. So why wouldn't a guy equipped with a cursed sword, who uses it for everything combat related not be considered a swordsman?
Regardless of who they are, and what powers they hold if they're considered a swordsman by Oda, they will be below Zoro come EOS, just all all his previous opponents.
That means Shanks. That means Mihawk. And that also means Law.
law swordmanship appeared the last time when he cut that gifter lmao 
why did u make an exception for shiryu whose swordmanship has nothing to do with invisibilty and despite this if he defeated mihawk he will obtain the title and law cut with his sword either simple cut that brings blood out like the case of the gifter or other abilities that needed sword to get performed as @Garp the Fist showed u there though while even fujitora is just channeling his power through his blade and despite this he is called a swordman lmao
sorry oda statement > ur headcanon / imagination
concession accepted
4人の剣士は敵なし！ブルック？- The four swordsmen are invincible! Brook!?
why did u make an exception for shiryu whose swordmanship has nothing to do with invisibilty and despite this if he defeated mihawk he will obtain the title and law cut with his sword either simple cut that brings blood out like the case of the gifter or other abilities that needed sword to get performed as @Garp the Fist showed u there though while even fujitora is just channeling his power through his blade and despite this he is called a swordman lmao
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Still no text box’s?? concession accepted
concession accepted
4人の剣士は敵なし！ブルック？- The four swordsmen are invincible! Brook!?
I love how people pretend that one cannot even argue about the definition of WSS. It's dogmatic. Look, I'm not someone who says you don't count in the WSS if you can kick and punch, or if you can breath fire or turn invisible. But if you are just a medicore swordsman with low tier swordsmanship, but amplified with a vastly powerful and haxed DF that lets you destroy mountains, rip organs apart, remove hearts and change personalities all while ignoring Haki, it is debatable.
@Fenaker I just told you exactly why my logic for Law does not apply for Shiryu or King, using simple words. If you cannot even wrap your head around this, I'm sorry, but debating you is pointless then.
@Fenaker I just told you exactly why my logic for Law does not apply for Shiryu or King, using simple words. If you cannot even wrap your head around this, I'm sorry, but debating you is pointless then.
A scythe is as similar to a sword as a horse is to a cow, are you blind? Just because a weapon is bladed does not make them at all similar,
There is absolutely no proof that Law can dissect people using a finger. Literally every time he’s done it it has been with a sword.
And the idea that individual moves may (and it’s just a may, because this swordless Law does not exist anywhere except in your imagination) not change if he were to use a different weapon, does not change the fact that Law himself would still be much weaker in a fight without his sword. Because, as you say here
It is the best weapon of choice for Law because Law is a swordsman.
Give Law a seppuku knife and he loses to Smoker.
Could he do the same thing to Vergo, a foe that blindly charged him? Maybe. But that wasn’t a fight, it was a one-shot. It doesn’t reflect Law’s abilities against an opponent who could actually go toe to toe with him. That’s how you determine Law’s fighting style, not picking out individual moments,
And he only landed Gamma Knife on a distracted opponent, who literally thought Law was dead, fighting someone else. He didn’t manage it in his 1 vs 1. Again, a snapshot that doesn’t reflect the reality of how Law fights.
Apparently not at all, since you are trying to argue there’s barely a difference between a scythe and a sword. Seppuku knife is much closer to a sword than a scythe is.
There is absolutely no proof that Law can dissect people using a finger. Literally every time he’s done it it has been with a sword.
And the idea that individual moves may (and it’s just a may, because this swordless Law does not exist anywhere except in your imagination) not change if he were to use a different weapon, does not change the fact that Law himself would still be much weaker in a fight without his sword. Because, as you say here
It is the best weapon of choice for Law because Law is a swordsman.
Give Law a seppuku knife and he loses to Smoker.
Could he do the same thing to Vergo, a foe that blindly charged him? Maybe. But that wasn’t a fight, it was a one-shot. It doesn’t reflect Law’s abilities against an opponent who could actually go toe to toe with him. That’s how you determine Law’s fighting style, not picking out individual moments,
And he only landed Gamma Knife on a distracted opponent, who literally thought Law was dead, fighting someone else. He didn’t manage it in his 1 vs 1. Again, a snapshot that doesn’t reflect the reality of how Law fights.
Apparently not at all, since you are trying to argue there’s barely a difference between a scythe and a sword. Seppuku knife is much closer to a sword than a scythe is.
The issue is that you are creating IF scenarios which Oda himself wont ever create so in a way it is indeed pointless.
We already know that Law and any other combatant fighting with a sword are swordsmen so...
You should probably ask whether Law is capable of beating Zoro with DF only if he isnt capable of beating him with DF+sword...
We already know that Law and any other combatant fighting with a sword are swordsmen so...
You should probably ask whether Law is capable of beating Zoro with DF only if he isnt capable of beating him with DF+sword...
there is no exception here and there oda called him a swordman isn't it didn't he have a CQC with Doffy using just his sword is that level of swordmanship that can keep you fighting against doffy a mediocre one lmao and here we have a clear statement we believe what is stated not what we imagine and want
4人の剣士は敵なし！ブルック？- The four swordsmen are invincible! Brook!?
4人の剣士は敵なし！ブルック？- The four swordsmen are invincible! Brook!?
He is not part of the competition, even if Law can refer to himself as a swordsman first he doesn't seek the WSS title he only wants to become the pirate king like Luffy and KIdd (and that is his "realm"), the sword is just a tool to use his ope ope, this is like saying a surgeon is a swordsman, no, he is a surgeon. Then we also have Zoro who never displayed any hint of interest in fighting Law and that could either mean that 1) Zoro doesn't recognize him as a swordsman or 2) Zoro doesn't recognize him as his match. Either way that means Law is not part of this race for the WSS title. At this point we never had any other true strong pure swordsman bar Mihawk and Zoro, there is Tashigi but she is weak, Mr. 1 could maybe be seen as some weird kind of swordsman since his df makes him able to turn any part of his body into a blade and so he is skilled and uses sword skills. But other than those I don't see other ones. Maybe Kaku to a degree but these were all Zoro past arcs fights (that he surpassed witht he arc).