Questions & Mysteries About Kaidou's WSC status

[comrade]

He doesnt call him the wsc
He says people say
People say luffy is 8m tall
Is luffy 8 tall ?
He doesnt say hes the strongest 1 vs 1
He said bet on kaido
Do bets always come in ?
Can you see how dumb you are ?

The novel states that Kaido is the WSC though. And in the SBS Oda outright puts Kaido above Kaido and states he is the WSC.

Lmfao a weaker swordsman with worse swords weaker haki and no kokuto was gonna kill him in 2 hits. Mihawk stomps.

And base Kaido with one arm one shotted Oden. Mihawk wouldn't survive a club to the head either. Offensively, they can put a rest to each other, defensively Kaido >>> Mihawk though.

 

[Lunaria]

And kaido been trying for 20 plus years and hasnt come close

Kaido isn't the main character.

 

[HA001]

The novel states that Kaido is the WSC though. And in the SBS Oda outright puts Kaido above Kaido and states he is the WSC.


And base Kaido with one arm one shotted Oden. Mihawk wouldn't survive a club to the head either. Offensively, they can put a rest to each other, defensively Kaido >>> Mihawk though.

The novel didnt say that.
With a distraction
Laido wouldnt land a hit on mihawk

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Kaido isn't the main character.

And will be dead soon.

 

[Afroking]

So Big Mom is a woman, she is the only female top tier but she is not the WSW because she was never called like that by the author

Well yeah,she isn't . She is the WS old hag. A subcategory of female :yasu:

 

[comrade]

Oda said in the interview that Akainu "for example" could put an end to One Piece within a year if he was the main character. Interview made at a time we knew nothing about Kaido but his name, even his silhouette was outdated. That was in midst of the Dressrosa Arc. So that Akainu statement is irrelevant when the newer info proves the older info wrong.

 

[zaman]

"If" Akainu was the main character. He's not.

again i believe that oda is very tricky and sometimes tries on purpose to bait us the fandom for us to never be able to make a real power scale level, and it's a shame and a disgrace from him imho.
Here we can understand it, i mean his trick by the fact that yeah no joke he can get the OP "if" he was the protagonist, in 1 year, but given the fact that he is already close to the age of roger... Meaning that probably nobody could have found it before luffy, sooner age wise ( before 25 at most he will ) meaning he is the chosen one and nobody else.
We have also to take into account that for years, Roger could have found it, but didn't it - in his prime - because of lack of informations. May be this could be that Oda implies that Akainu has the knowledge to find the OP in 1 year or the way to find the knowledge, without beeing able to be the strongest in 1 year?

anyway it just means that we have to take with lots of salt the statements of Oda, who sometimes himeself doesn't know what he implies at the time when he says it - could explain also why he extented his manga so much and fucked us, beside the greedy aspect obviously.

 

[Lunaria]

Oda said in the interview that Akainu "for example" could put an end to One Piece within a year if he was the main character. Interview made at a time we knew nothing about Kaido but his name, even his silhouette was outdated. That was in midst of the Dressrosa Arc. So that Akainu statement is irrelevant when the newer info proves the older info wrong.

Even if we take everything we know about Kaido into account, it doesn't change anything. Oda said "if Akainu was the main character", not "if Akainu was a pirate". If Buggy was the main character, he'd eventually become the PK and surpass Kaido, but he's not, just like Akainu isn't the main character.

 

[comrade]

Even if we take everything we know about Kaido into account, it doesn't change anything. Oda said "if Akainu was the main character", not "if Akainu was a pirate"

Well, it was strength related. He said he doesn't want to make Luffy too strong for the story to not get boring, because if Akainu was the main protagonist, OP would end within a year. Obviously Luffy will end up stronger than Akainu, but due to him starting as a rookie, it would take way more time for him to achieve being the PK, while with Akainu's strength coupled with the resources at his disposal (marines, WG), he would easily make it within a year. It's like you would start the Pokemon Game with a level 50 Pokemon. Obviously you would clear most of the game pretty quickly until you reach a point it becomes hard again.

But then again. Oda directly put Kaido above Akainu. There is no denying it. And Kaido > Mihawk too.

 

[Lunaria]

Well, it was strength related. He said he doesn't want to make Luffy too strong for the story to not get boring, because if Akainu was the main protagonist, OP would end within a year. Obviously Luffy will end up stronger than Akainu, but due to him starting as a rookie, it would take way more time for him to achieve being the PK, while with Akainu's strength coupled with the resources at his disposal (marines, WG), he would easily make it within a year. It's like you would start the Pokemon Game with a level 50 Pokemon. Obviously you would clear most of the game pretty quickly until you reach a point it becomes hard again.

But then again. Oda directly put Kaido above Akainu. There is no denying it. And Kaido > Mihawk too.

It was strength related but he was talking about strength in relation to protagonist status. If Akainu was the main character, he would finish the story within a year but if Kaido was the main character, he would do it as fast, if not faster.

 

[zaman]

It was strength related but he was talking about strength in relation to protagonist status. If Akainu was the main character, he would finish the story within a year but if Kaido was the main character, he would do it as fast, if not faster.

so for you beeing main protagonist implies always lots of plot armor ?
This is just bad writing imo then

 

[Finalbeta]

Well yeah,she isn't . She is the WS old hag. A subcategory of female :yasu:

Well honestly yes

Because Shirahoshi is the actual strongest female instead:)

The one who commands the whole sea

 

[zaman]

Well honestly yes

Because Shirahoshi is the actual strongest female instead:)

The one who commands the whole sea

for how much Oda stay ambiguous with the titles he gives to his characters, i can see this happens, ie shira having the world strongest female title

 

[Lunaria]

so for you beeing main protagonist implies always lots of plot armor ?
This is just bad writing imo then

Being the protagonist implies achieving your goal and becoming the strongest. Didn't Luffy himself get a ton of plot armor throughout the story anyway ?

 

[Finalbeta]

for how much Oda stay ambiguous with the titles he gives to his characters, i can see this happens, ie shira having the world strongest female title

Yes indeed

Kaido is not the strongest being after all

Only strongest creature

 

[zaman]

Yes indeed

Kaido is not the strongest being after all

Only strongest creature

all of this hype, smell very clearly the greedness of his author to be honest, and for us it's both a pain - a headache - for the mind and the ass.

 

[kom5]

The dude became a Yonko through the accomplishments of his strength alone.

If that doesn't tell you something, I don't know what will.

Yeah but that doesnt make him any stronger than the othet Yonkos

If he would beat Whitebeard in a one o one the pharse bet on Kaido in a 1 o 1 would make sense but without challenging other yonkos in there prime the last 20 years doesnt make it legit that he has the highest individual strength

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The dude became a Yonko through the accomplishments of his strength alone.

If that doesn't tell you something, I don't know what will.

Yeah but that doesnt make him any stronger than the othet Yonkos

If he would beat Whitebeard in a one o one the pharse bet on Kaido in a 1 o 1 would make sense but without challenging other yonkos in there prime the last 20 years doesnt make it legit that he has the highest individual strength

How can they hype the strongest in 1 o 1 when he never did defeat an other Yonko or Admiral in a one o one

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Just imagine WB or Mihawk getting disarmed by nerfed YC3.5 Nekomamushi. WSC is fake news.

 

[Alter]

Just imagine WB or Mihawk getting disarmed by nerfed YC3.5 Nekomamushi. WSC is fake news.

Oldbeard even got stabbed just right in his heart by (imho) lower than YC level Squardo.
He was sick, nonetheless got stab right in your heart when you are about to start the war couldn't be expected from Yonko.

I got your point, but no one is perfect. And it is portrayed pretty well in OP Universe.
Shanks losing sight by a mere smoke bomb or losing his arm to lord of the coast are another example of this.
Even strong people sometimes could make mistake that wasn't expected from people of their caliber in OP Universe.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

What's to be questioned are those two holes that can be used:

- Is Strongest Creature means "regular human" not included?

My headcanon says Human are included BECAUSE the terms used in Japanese is "Saikyō no Seibutsu"..... Believe it or NOT.... another ANIME is using that term.... Which is Baki with "Yujiro Hanma" who is a human and they call him "Strongest Creature" with the same terms "Saikyō no Seibutsu"
In other words, it's a question that can be used for argument against Kaido for people who are foreigners to Japanese Language... but then we see an example from other series where it shows that they consider "human" among "creatures" when describing that title


- Is "World Strongest Creature" describes ONLY physical strength?

This is the hardest question for me.... because there can be argument for both sides...

On one hand, we have a series like Bleach, with Zaraki Kenpachi... Kenpachi stands for "strongest".... in that regard, the character is can truly be considered strongest physically... however he's not strongest when combined with all other abilities in combat regarding that series

On the other hand, in One Piece itself, we have the saying of "if it's 1 vs 1, always bet on Kaido"... this is important because this line ALSO can be used for both sides.... you can take it that this statement basically debunks everything against kaido.... OR, you can use the argument that it's a "BET", a bet is a gamble, so it can result in being FALSE....

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

He's the only Emperor whose main hype revolve around strength

If Garp hadn’t broken Chinjao’s drillhead on panel, you’d be arguing that Chinjao has an indestructible skull and nobody could beat his skull because that’s how Chinjao hyped his skull lol.

Kaido is clearly not the 1v1 King when he failed to win 66% of his 1v1s and got disarmed by Nekomamushi.