Questions & Mysteries Does it count as Luffy’s win if Kizaru is still down

[JoNdule]

Its really not the same lol, Luffy gets knocked out and white-eyed when he loses (twice to croc, 3-4 times to Kaido, etc.). Not at any point has Kizaru actually "lost" to the same capacity as literally every other character when they lose in this series. Hell, if Lucci lost this very chapter, he'll be on the floor unconscious, which is literally not the same.

Why we make this exception for Kizaru is ridiculous.

You can't stay down for 10min+ and claim "I didn't lose"

 

[Paperchampion23]

You can't stay down for 10min+ and claim "I didn't lose"

Are we talking about the same few minutes where Luffy was also white eyed and knocked out on the floor where he required food while Kizaru didnt?

Or are we talking about only the 3 minutes that have passed currently?

Because in neither case, he was knocked out nor was it this arbitrary 10 minute made up rule either lol.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Luffy won because he one shot kizaru.. twice. I mean Luffy was kicked through the labophase and almost died and yet Kizaru still gave Luffy almost no difficulty. Luffy seemed to have the upperhand in g4 and literally toyed with Kizaru in g5.

Difficulties aside Kizaru is not a threat to Luffy anymore.

Upper hand in G4???

 

[JoNdule]

Are we talking about the same few minutes where Luffy was also white eyed and knocked out on the floor where he required food while Kizaru didnt?

Or are we talking about only the 3 minutes that have passed currently?

Because in neither case, he was knocked out nor was it this arbitrary 10 minute made up rule either lol.

Except Luffy wasn't koed because of Kizaru

We're talking about kizaru being down because he got punched

If he can't get up after 5min or 10min this time. He lost. It means he couldn't get to fast enough to fight Luffy again

If Kizaru was the one who punched Luffy down then you can debate but on this arc : both times Kizaru fell down to the floor unable to move was because of Luffy's punches

It's been 3 min already, he hasn't gotten up
Let's see if he's gonna move in the next 7 min to come fight Luffy again

 

[Wanderer]

We already saw that one good hit from 5 gear puts Kizaru down for a long time. And now he:
1. was saved by luck from falling into the sea
2. not active for 3 minutes (hopefully for admiral fans, he will get up next chapter)
Its clean victory.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Except Luffy wasn't koed because of Kizaru

We're talking about kizaru being down because he got punched

If he can't get up after 5min or 10min this time. He lost. It means he couldn't get to fast enough to fight Luffy again

If Kizaru was the one who punched Luffy down then you can debate but on this arc : both times Kizaru fell down to the floor unable to move was because of Luffy's punches

It's been 3 min already, he hasn't gotten up
Let's see if he's gonna move in the next 7 min to come fight Luffy again

This doesnt matter lol, Kizaru is not KO'ed when all other villains and protagonists in this story lose by getting knocked out.

You guys are arbitrarily making up rules on win/loss context because you have an agenda against Admirals.

Arent you the same dude that considers Katakuri having "technically" a W in WCI because he got up first after 7 MINUTES after being knocked out, only to fall again?

Luffy would have destroyed Katakuri with WSG, who could barely keep up with Snakeman (which Kizaru destroyed in 2 seconds).

Kizaru was concious and got up from WSG with no visible amage, but you fools consider that an L while the above to you with Kat is a W

If that is character bias then Idk what is.

 

[Buggy D Clown]

It depends on if he can't move because of Luffy or if he doesn't want to/cant because of VP and co. Looking at him, Luffy is yet to do any real damage but who knows with toon force.

 

[Albino 👑]

Kizaru has yet to be knocked out. At the same time if he somehow were unable to move at all then I guess. Pretty sure he’s gonna get back up soon tho

 

[Punk Rotten]

Y’all would be saying the opposite if Luffy was down that long.

The hypocrisy lol

 

[nik87]

Kizaru is clean, Luffy dealt close to no damage to him.
Plot has sidelined Kizaru so all Elders get spotlight.
As soon as that is out of the way, Kizaru is back in action.
In the whole arc, Luffy didn't beat anyone yet.

 

[Adamxero]

Only Luffy haters will say it's not a win.

Luffy beat Kizaru soundly and showed clear superiority over him.

 

[Tejas]

Kizaru gets oneshot twice in the same arc

 

[zenox]

I don’t count throwing df users in the water as actual wins

 

[Tejas]

I don’t count throwing df users in the water as actual wins

Yes but you can count beating the opponent into a state that they can't move as a huge W

 

[Daves John]

I don’t count throwing df users in the water as actual wins

Why not?

 

[BlackLegFring]

Only Luffy haters will say it's not a win.

Luffy beat Kizaru soundly and showed clear superiority over him.

I don’t hate Luffy and it’s clearly not a win.

Grabbing someone from behind when they are focused on someone else isn’t “clear superiority” either…unless we want to say that Hajruddin was clearly superior to Luffy for grabbing him in Dressrosa.

That’s all besides the fact that Luffy is only up because someone else had to feed him to begin with.

 

[terabyte]

Round 1: Draw

Round 2: Luffy won low-diff

 

[ZenZu]

Unironically the only thing keeping Kizaru down was that he was too strong 😂

Luffy couldn't stop him from killing VP which led to him becoming depressed.

 

[terabyte]

And I'm sure if Luffy was down for this long while being conscious, so many here would say he lost, that he's weak, Admirals > Yonko etc.

 

[Hanzo hattori]

Poor Lizaru got overshadowed by 6 characters in 1 arc and got pizza diffed in 2 vs 1