Future Events Elbaf is an Akainu arc

#24
Yea there's a good chance Akainu is the next major villain.

I will add to this thread from a powerscaling perspective.

Akainu is running out of time power wise to face Luffy imo. Luffy has defeated Kaidou, and he might be defeating Kizaru. Akainu is an established top tier of the mid gen unlike Teach who's from the Worst gen. Teach can be as strong as Oda wants with his special race, two top tier devil fruits (potential 3rd?). Add to the fact that Yami shuts off df abilities and it really doesn't matter how strong Luffy gets, BB can always be a nightmare to face for Luffy, and the sky is the limit for him.

For Akainu there shouldn't be a major gap between him and Kizaru, just as there wasn't between him and Kuzan.

Kizaru cannot be defeated here, and then Luffy face Akainu at the tail end of EOS (unless we are getting inferior comp following Kizaru). That makes for an awkward fight because Luffy had already dealt with someone not too far from Akainu at egghead, so without special circumstances it's not quite the draw it needs to be for EOS. That is if Luffy will be the one taking Akainu out. And yes Akainu has an ability which is still an issue for G5 Luffy, but I don't think it's enough to justify a Kizaru defeat here without an immediate Akainu follow up.

So either:

1.Kizaru is not defeated here (Akainu does not have to be next up)
2.Akainu is next up after Kizaru's defeat
3.Akainu gets dominated by Luffy
4.Luffy is not the one to defeat Akainu
5.Unknown revelation about Akainu (some power up or condition we were not aware of etc.)

Out of these 4 options, 1 and 2 are more likely. Oda probably has too much respect for Akainu to go with 3, and Luffy has too much tying him to Akainu for option 4 not to happen (although it's still more likely than option 3). Oda can pull 5 off on a whim so can never say never there.

Ultimately Akainu being up next would still make him an endgame fight, since we are already in the endgame post Wano. Luffy is already an established top tier who can go toe to toe with Kaidou before G5 (deemed as the strongest pirate of the mid gen) before he even stepped foot in egghead. And even if it's the next arc, by the time the fight actually happens we will be very close to the end of One Piece anyway.



Ofcourse there are still G5 timelimit issues we can point to, but it's worth noting pre G5 Luffy could already go toe to toe with Kaidou, unless Kaidou was a good matchup or simply weak enough (because so far only G5 has been effective against Kizaru) G5 isn't what makes Luffy a top tier. Kizaru can change our perspective on that (some are actually changing their minds on it as we speak, reducing Kaidou to a fraud without realizing it) but that won't change the implication that Kizaru is supposed to be relative to Akainu.

Another counter argument would be Teach's crew is much weaker than the Marines working under Akainu. Sadly I think the SHs may not be defeating Admirals for this reason.
TLDR: Akainu would just hold Im sama back against EoS Luffy @EmperorKinyagi
 
#26
Yea there's a good chance Akainu is the next major villain.

I will add to this thread from a powerscaling perspective.

Akainu is running out of time power wise to face Luffy imo. Luffy has defeated Kaidou, and he might be defeating Kizaru. Akainu is an established top tier of the mid gen unlike Teach who's from the Worst gen. Teach can be as strong as Oda wants with his special race, two top tier devil fruits (potential 3rd?). Add to the fact that Yami shuts off df abilities and it really doesn't matter how strong Luffy gets, BB can always be a nightmare to face for Luffy, and the sky is the limit for him.

For Akainu there shouldn't be a major gap between him and Kizaru, just as there wasn't between him and Kuzan.

Kizaru cannot be defeated here, and then Luffy face Akainu at the tail end of EOS (unless we are getting inferior comp following Kizaru). That makes for an awkward fight because Luffy had already dealt with someone not too far from Akainu at egghead, so without special circumstances it's not quite the draw it needs to be for EOS. That is if Luffy will be the one taking Akainu out. And yes Akainu has an ability which is still an issue for G5 Luffy, but I don't think it's enough to justify a Kizaru defeat here without an immediate Akainu follow up.

So either:

1.Kizaru is not defeated here (Akainu does not have to be next up)
2.Akainu is next up after Kizaru's defeat
3.Akainu gets dominated by Luffy
4.Luffy is not the one to defeat Akainu
5.Unknown revelation about Akainu (some power up or condition we were not aware of etc.)

Out of these 4 options, 1 and 2 are more likely. Oda probably has too much respect for Akainu to go with 3, and Luffy has too much tying him to Akainu for option 4 not to happen (although it's still more likely than option 3). Oda can pull 5 off on a whim so can never say never there.

Ultimately Akainu being up next would still make him an endgame fight, since we are already in the endgame post Wano. Luffy is already an established top tier who can go toe to toe with Kaidou before G5 (deemed as the strongest pirate of the mid gen) before he even stepped foot in egghead. And even if it's the next arc, by the time the fight actually happens we will be very close to the end of One Piece anyway.



Ofcourse there are still G5 timelimit issues we can point to, but it's worth noting pre G5 Luffy could already go toe to toe with Kaidou, unless Kaidou was a good matchup or simply weak enough (because so far only G5 has been effective against Kizaru) G5 isn't what makes Luffy a top tier. Kizaru can change our perspective on that (some are actually changing their minds on it as we speak, reducing Kaidou to a fraud without realizing it) but that won't change the implication that Kizaru is supposed to be relative to Akainu.

Another counter argument would be Teach's crew is much weaker than the Marines working under Akainu. Sadly I think the SHs may not be defeating Admirals for this reason.
Akainu defeats teach. Not trying to wank. Logia Admirals may be on par with each other relatively BUT they have unique abilities where Akainu is the most difficult perhaps to face against teach.

I am guessing that Akainu unlocked a new form of awakening. Like that guy from the movie that had a monster island sized avatar.... like that but with magma. Teach would never be able to touch Akainu. And hits would come from anyplace. It's too much for teach. Even he comes after Akainu he still would lose a 1vs1 against this admiral based on my estimations....
 
#31
The further we've gotten though Egghead, the further this seems to get clearer IMO. In typical escalation format, especially in post TS, Oda tends to tie larger story arcs together by means of having smaller arcs connect to them.

You had the entire Boroque Works plotline, culminating to Alabasta. You had Punk Hazard leading to Dressrosa. You had Zou and WCI leading Wano (and by virtue, everything from PH in its own way). The same thing is happening right now, where clear dictations in the story show us that the Final Saga comprises of multiple factions with 2 Yonko, the Marines and WG.

Egghead has effectively kicked off this ideology. Not only are we in an arc focusing on 1 Admiral (Marines) and Gorosei (WG) respectively, the Yonko have all made their moves during said arc, on top of revelations with the RA and WG. But in that fashion, Oda seems to be clearly setting up the next arc to escalate from this one. And how I see it now really comes down to how Egghead is seemingly ending, with Giants assaulting Marines and those same Marines losing on top quite possibly a Gorosei.

In that way, I am just starting to be convinced, that like a Vegapunk/Kizaru/Kuma arc before it (which is something I speculated for years), Akainu and his marines seem to be next. Below I will lay out as many of the reasons I see that being the case:

- Egghead arc itself seemingly will result in the loss of 1 Admiral and 1 Gorosei. This will be unprecedented for both the Marines and WG. While I can't see the WG itself mobilizing on their own entirely (yet), I can see either Akainu taking Kizaru's loss personally or being ordered by the WG to wage war on Elbaf.

- I always questioned why Oda needed to have the Giants at Egghead since it seemed like overkill once Bonney took over the Pacifista. But, if the Giants are blamed for the attack on Egghead failing, and taking in Luffy's group (which includss Vegapunk and Kuma), I can 100% see the Marines retaliating by attacking Elbaf.

- If you think about what characters would be at Elbaf, then things get very interesting. If Vegapunk and Kuma make it there alive, then it stands reason that Dragon himself might make an appearance, given his relationship with the two. But even more importantly is his speculated relationship with Akainu. Dragon was a former marine, and even is the same age as Sakazuki. This tells me they may end up having a deeper relationship than we think, possibly even ties to Garp or Luffy's mother somehow.

- On the flipside, Saul is alive on Elbaf. Barring Robin, Saul has ties to Kuzan, who has ties to Smoker and Akainu, both staple characters I would expect to be at Elbaf for this reason. Not only this, but Kuzan being present would imply Garp, Koby, and the rest of SWORD also are present somehow. Im not 100% sure how or why Kuzan would end up in Elbaf, but if we expect Blackbeard to remain a large presence in the story, having Kuzan there to reveal his motivations and resolve the Garp/SWORD plotline might do wonders for the story.

- Even the above with Kuzan has further implications with the Big Mom Pirates, he is responsible for taking Pudding. BMs crew is not only tied to Elbaf through BMs terrible deeds, but also Mother Caramel's deeds on kidnapping giant children for the WG to use (i.e. Giant Squad may have a role here).

- Finally, if you think about plot escalation in terms of pure battle matchups, it makes sense to see Luffy go from an Admiral to the Fleet Admiral, and his subordinates take on Admirals. Elbaf could be the perfect esclation for that before we dive into whatever conflict comes with Blackbeard/Shanks.


Thank you @Kizaruber Eats for reminding me of some of these things, it really made things super clear here lol.

Anyway, thats pretty much it, just the same gut feeling I had about Vegapunk's arc before we knew it was called Egghead. Many things seem to be coming together in the same way where need all of these characters to exist in the same location. I full expect Akainu to mobilize the entire Marine Force and assault Elbaf or at least be very local to its events. It just feels like its time to resolve that plotline.


Edit: And if thats the case, one could also make the assumption that:

- Sabo also comes with Dragon, so there is legitimate cathartic payoff for Ace's death.
- The arc also involves some of the Whitebeard pirates for the same reason.
Why would the WG send their strongest Marine to fight in Elbaf, since WG is already in war against RA? The food is being prevented to arrive at Mary Geoise. This is a critical moment for the WG. So why send Akainu to Elbaf?
 
#34
Why would the WG send their strongest Marine to fight in Elbaf, since WG is already in war against RA? The food is being prevented to arrive at Mary Geoise. This is a critical moment for the WG. So why send Akainu to Elbaf?
I mean, people asked me the same questions when I proposed that a Vegapunk arc would involve Kuma and Kizaru when neither were close Wano in the first place prior to this point. The story can warrant it when we know more.

For example, the death of a Gorosei could be one, if it happens, then the WG would need to save face. If punching a CD gets you an Admiral, maybe killing a Gorosei gets you the full force of the Marines to annihilate you. Just a thought.
 
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#35
I mean, people asked me the same questions when I proposed that a Vegapunk arc would involve Kuma and Kizaru when neither were close Wano in the first place prior to this point. The story can warrant it when we know more.

For example, the death of a Gorosei could be one, if it happens, then the WG would need to save face. If punching a CD gets you an Admiral, maybe killing a Gorosei gets you the full force of the Marines to annihilate you. Just a thought.
As an answer to Saturn defeat, the WG can use mother flame/uranus to blow Elbaf
 
#37
Tbh I don't think we will get an arc only centered on akainu as a big bad. Just like Kizaru is paired with saturn , akainu maybe paired with imu where luffy initially fights akainu and then moves on to fight imu.
 
#39
Tbh I don't think we will get an arc only centered on akainu as a big bad. Just like Kizaru is paired with saturn , akainu maybe paired with imu where luffy initially fights akainu and then moves on to fight imu.
Nah Sakazuki will be paired with Topman the god of justice.

Topman also looks like the leader of the Gorosei while the Akainu is the leader of the navy so it checks out.

Kizaru is teamed up with Saturn the god of science.

Ryokugyu will team up with Ju Peter the god of agriculture.
 
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