Game 01: Generic Mafia [Game Thread]

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Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#82
I don’t dislike the idea of trying to get SK first but that is extremely hard early on the game. And the reasoning is perfect 2 death per night will add up and weight a lot. Invest role needs this NP and the next one to start discarding people until they find the one so they can snowball on SK or mafia member with out letting it be know he/she is the invest role.
It would of been tantalising to go after the Mafia Cop first, however 2 anti-town kills is a lot of an hassle when you also have a vig who might attempt to shoot someone and fail. But utmost important, when the Mafia Cop has got a 3/10 shot at discovering a townie power role at day, while the SK more or less equates that with a 3/11 shot at actually killing one at night.

This is a chicken-and-egg thing, you may want to overcome this logical problem by superposing the chicken to the egg in that it's the most harmful individual in this precise moment. The chicken matches the sketch of an SK in this set-up in my opinion.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#83
Okay here is what I understood so far---

1)our first priority should be to avoid any wrong lynch. If we wrongly lynched a townie then that would mean by day 2 we may lose 3 townie as we have two night kills making it the worst scenario.

2)on further calculation, if we get sk asap then it's the best case for us because that means we only have one night kill threat.

But if we are unable to deduce who might be sk then we should not be blind to mafia as getting one of them means we are breaking the team work between them. That's huge win either way.

I would suggest we should give reads now as 17 hours are passed and scenario of no lynching would hurt us really bad because we may end up sacrificing two townie at night with zero headway on who could be mafia and sk.

My reads

Good/townie - Kiwipom, Celestia, gambit, TAC, final, Playa, and rej -hey all were very proactive in this game and are quite vocal which implies they aren't afraid. Only those are afraid in speaking boldly who have something to hide

Neutral - Naomi

Bad- Bogard/Haku /vonal (playing too safe and vary custiously)

How, it's an intuitive read so it's not something I will stick to but still I want to be clear on how I am seeing everyone here.

Unvote Rej
 
#84
1)our first priority should be to avoid any wrong lynch. If we wrongly lynched a townie then that would mean by day 2 we may lose 3 townie as we have two night kills making it the worst scenario
By mislynch, yes there is a reduced number of town but it doesn't end game there. By mislynch, we get info and that info will help us progress in the game by viewing who lowkey or subtly pushed for that misdirection or confusion to town.
2)on further calculation, if we get sk asap then it's the best case for us because that means we only have one night kill threat.
Ofcourse it's priority, there's no denying how threat sk is. That role is a threat to both faction but mafia will try to leverage on that role by letting it do his thing; not to mention the sheer luck of not being hit randomly by sk. Sk at this point will try to scumhunt if not blend in well. He needs that in order to ave a calculated move at night by not hitting a scum. So at this point, we should look at the players who not only lurk but post alot.
 

Kiwipom

Ghost Princess
#85
Alright, here's my reads:

Town - Celestia, Naomi, Rej, Reborn, Finalbeta

Suspicious:
Playa - The way he was baselessly lynching people is a red flag for me. Maybe this is just a game strategy to start discussion, I wouldn't know better since this is my first game lol. If that's the case then yeah, he may just be townie. Nonetheless, I'm keeping my guards up

TAC - seems like a towny but those long essays to justify why we need to get the SK is a bit over-the-top trying to prove himself innocent imo, but that just seems like his playing style. Overall seems good but again, not totally convinced.

Bogard and Vonal - like Reborn said, I think they're being really cautious

Neutral - Gambit, Haku..not sure what to think yet
 

Kiwipom

Ghost Princess
#88
I won't put out my reads, because it's too early for me to accuse other players and the second I put that information out there, scum can use it to their advantage. Play off my biases from Day 1 to get me to turn on my other townies.
So you won't say who you're suspicious of?

I mean it's your choice, I don't have a lot to base my reads off of either but I think we need to start deciding if we're going to lynch anyone today, and if so, who
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You didn't hesitate in doing so in last game lol
yeah but people came after him because he wanted to get people lynched lol
 
#90
Reading back,
Below is a lowkey omgus. Playa dropped an rvs on you and you suspected him back. A town wouldn't meltdown with this typical play but laugh it out. He wanted to have a response and he got what he wanted from you.. Scum behaviour point 1.
You're being real suspicious here
Another one. Below you just sheeped all the way hardly on TAC's arguments. This is also a scummy behavior and you already have 2 points there.. Can't you build your own case? Can't you read through people's post? Can't you say something your own words to contribute to town?
After reading through TAC’s essays of why we need to find the SK, I agree, the SK seems like a bigger threat for the game so far. It’ll be easier to stop SK than the two mafias. How? I don’t know lmao

I’ll wait and see what TAC’s strategy is
Let's see what else he saw.
The game just started so no lynch yet but maybe tonight?

But from the inactivity right now, there isn't much to build on to become suspicious of anyone
You seem to be too afraid to touch someone here. That's my assumption. Why? In every posts, we can find even the slightest hint as to what the specific player's intention is. Points 3...
To sum it up, you're just posting for the sake of posting and acting like you are contributing but of less value. This is the most typical manner of a scum in order to blend in.. Looking at all the parameters I have mentioned above, you have just created your own grave..
Tryna blend in
Cwac posting
Omgus
Lowkey riding/sheeping
Afraid to touch someone..

Vote lynch Kiwiporn

Can u enlighten us how u arrived with this list?

Reborn (bad)
playa4321 (bad)
TheAncientCenturion (bad)
Finalbeta (town)
Kiwipom (town)
Bogard (bad)
Haku (?)
Vonal (?)
Gambit (bad)
Celestia (town)
Rej (town)
Naomi (town)
This is your opener and you were tryna insinuate that you worry about inactivity and reads but you didn't actually contribute to advance the case. What you wrote here is a blatant cwac.
Probably the most user are sleeping/working or do some other things, probably later they gonna write here. Did we lynch already today or tomorrow?
Later on, you dropped rvs on 3 people to tryna get players reaction, whereas Kiwipom has met your requirement. Nonetheless, it didn't bring any value onto the table. Scummy behavior point 1.


@Finalbeta i wasn't tryring to debunk TAC with his SK opener.. I was asking him why he didn't mention mafia right there. Reading his subsequent posts, I understand what he was implying although, both sk and mafia are threat to us and both a equally priority.. There has to be an equal treatment on how to detect them day and night... There should be no discretion which scum to locate first..

So far, can u tell what you think of reborn and kiwiporn?
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Town - Celestia, Naomi, Rej, Reborn, Finalbeta
Celestia and Naomi... Although I love the two girls.. Lmao.. They haven't posted any substantial material just yet and you read them as town.. If norikaflavor played then I would suspect that you'd also read the mod as a townie.. You're such a bias lad and I don't grasp how you arrive with this reads..
 
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Kiwipom

Ghost Princess
#94
Another one. Below you just sheeped all the way hardly on TAC's arguments. This is also a scummy behavior and you already have 2 points there.. Can't you build your own case? Can't you read through people's post? Can't you say something your own words to contribute to town?
I'll be honest, you ain't wrong. If you go check my sign ups...I didn't actually want to play because I said I'm not good at being suspicious of people and building my own case but I'm trying :catcry:
I totally understand why you would suspect me, I'm just trying to contribute since I feel like I didn't do much last game

Cwac posting
Omgus
Lowkey riding/sheeping
idk what you're saying here lol

:believe::believe:

please don't butcher my name to that extend
 
#96
Yeah I think @Kiwipom is doing fine based on his experience with Mafia. Asking questions / trying to be there, to be helpful. Not to garner attention / a reputation to use later in the game.
its the first day, with sk and mafia, be two deaths tonight and also 1 death today if misslynch town making 3 total.


anyone pushing and making sudden case and saying need info is full of bs, and only mafia scum would go for that chance!
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#97
its the first day, with sk and mafia, be two deaths tonight and also 1 death today if misslynch town making 3 total.


anyone pushing and making sudden case and saying need info is full of bs, and only mafia scum would go for that chance!
I said the very same thing! Random lynches do not benefit the town at all. Evils want to thin us out and can always attempt the "I was just trying to get info" card, down the road when we call them out for it.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#98
I don't think Kiwipom is a scum. She is being very proactive and vocal as I said earlier and not dodging anything that raise red flag. That's why I placed her in my good list.

Also as I said earlier, we must avoid any wrong lynch at any cost. The consequences are too much as it will affect our majority significantly. Losing 3 townie before day two begins is too much of a risk.

But no lynching should be our least priority. As we will still lose two townie at night.

We should try as much as possible to get some idea about who could be suspect. If we feel we have enough info then we can proceed with lynching or else we can dump the idea. Both scenario will help us in getting more experience.
 
#99
I don't think Kiwipom is a scum. She is being very proactive and vocal as I said earlier and not dodging anything that raise red flag. That's why I placed her in my good list.

Also as I said earlier, we must avoid any wrong lynch at any cost. The consequences are too much as it will affect our majority significantly. Losing 3 townie before day two begins is too much of a risk.

But no lynching should be our least priority. As we will still lose two townie at night.

We should try as much as possible to get some idea about who could be suspect. If we feel we have enough info then we can proceed with lynching or else we can dump the idea. Both scenario will help us in getting more experience.

honestly with scum Mafia Day Role Cop , means scum can check town in day phase.


So i'm sus of sudden push on kiwi! as i'm reading her town.
 
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