Controversial General Political Discussion

[Haoshoku]

I ask again, how did the IS/PL war change the status quo or negatively changed our foreign interest?

It’s always been bad. But sending billions of dollars to fund a genocide has absolutely had a negative affect, is that even a question? Public opinion matters. And Sleepy Biden doesn’t do well with PR when he comes out and reassures he will keep funding it no matter what and then actually proceeds to keep funding them with hundreds of billions of dollars.

You know what gets APAC more support? The majority of boomer voters who support Israel. You have no idea how pro Zionist our largest voting block is. I mean you probably do but ignore it. Lobbying overall doesn’t have the impact people think it has, there’s like millions of studies done on this

AIPAC isn’t getting its millions of dollars from boomer donors. They aren’t riding that hard for Israel even if they’ve been brainwashed through mainstream media for all of their life. Most of them don’t have the monetary resources to facilitate that.

AIPAC is literally bragging about how they control 98% of congress to be in favor of Israel and you’re telling me it doesn’t have an impact

 

[Roo]

It’s always been bad. But sending billions of dollars to fund a genocide has absolutely had a negative affect, is that even a question? Public opinion matters. And Sleepy Biden doesn’t do well with PR when he comes out and reassures he will keep funding it no matter what and then actually proceeds to keep funding them with hundreds of billions of dollars.

AIPAC isn’t getting its millions of dollars from boomer donors. They aren’t riding that hard for Israel even if they’ve been brainwashed through mainstream media for all of their life. Most of them don’t have the monetary resources to facilitate that.

AIPAC is literally bragging about how they control 98% of congress to be in favor of Israel and you’re telling me it doesn’t have an impact

Did I say it didn’t have an impact? I’m saying it’s not the end all be all. Again there’s studies showing lobbying isn’t the zero sum game people think it is

and glad we’ve agree the IS/PL has done nothing to change the status quo of foreign interest. Since you have failed to show how

 

[Toby D. Dog]

All of this establishment humping and bipartisanship lead to the destruction of the middle class in America which ultimately gave us Trump. All it does is lead to Imperial decline.

 

[Uncle Van]

Then why the fuck are you even arguing? Did your brain just shut off when you read the words “compromise”?

I repeat something I've been saying for the longest time. Republicans=right wing.
Democrats=center right and love to compromise. Result is that America becomes more right wing and issues aren't fixed.

Compromise is just a temporary fix and soon evolves into a bigger problem. Nothing about this has anything to do with morality do you reached like a mothafucka lmao

 

[Haoshoku]

Did I say it didn’t have an impact? I’m saying it’s not the end all be all. Again there’s studies showing lobbying isn’t the zero sum game people think it is

I mean it’s just one example of how Israel has America tied to it. You brought up Saudi to try and dismiss that fact as if Saudi has remotely the same influence on America. If Saudi was getting hundreds of billions of dollars in aid and weaponry whilst being able to call America to fight its wars Iran would’ve been today’s Iraq.

and glad we’ve agree the IS/PL has done nothing to change the status quo of foreign interest. Since you have failed to show how

Like Biden’s approval rating. Losing virtually all of the youth vote, growing frustration from both Democrats and Republicans voters. There’s been dozens of polls just like this one:

 

[Roo]

I repeat something I've been saying for the longest time. Republicans=right wing.
Democrats=center right and love to compromise. Result is that America becomes more right wing and issues aren't fixed.

Compromise is just a temporary fix and soon evolves into a bigger problem. Nothing about this has anything to do with morality do you reached like a mothafucka lmao

So yeah, your brain shut off because you read the word “compromise”

so now I ask again, do you realize compromise is an necessity in democracy? That every democracy in the world does it?

 

[Logiko]

I’m still chill, just pointing out that you’re just wrong. Don’t be mad when people put the mirror in front of you and you realize you’re just like C4N lmao.

What's the subject ?

so van is like C4N?? damn man

I'm shook

“Morality is subjective, therefore politics centered around it are just not effective”

was my argument and you went at it. C4N the same person who leads with their morality would agree with you.

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Are you saying that I consider that we should make politic with morality or without morality ?

Republicans=right wing.
Democrats=center right and love to compromise

On that I completely agree.

Compromise is just a temporary fix and soon evolves into a bigger problem

I also agree with that.

Those who seek for compromise in a situation of crisis or when fascist are at the door of power are simply delulu and dangerous.

so now I ask again, do you realize compromise is an necessity in democracy?

Not necessarily no.

 

[Roo]

I mean it’s just one example of how Israel has America tied to it. You brought up Saudi to try and dismiss that fact as if Saudi has remotely the same influence on America. If Saudi was getting hundreds of billions of dollars in aid and weaponry whilst being able to call America to fight its wars Iran would’ve been today’s Iraq.


Like Biden’s approval rating. Losing virtually all of the youth vote, growing frustration from both Democrats and Republicans voters. There’s been dozens of polls just like this one:

Is that U.S foreign interest? Or is that internal politics?

 

[Uncle Van]

So yeah, your brain shut off because you read the word “compromise”

so now I ask again, do you realize compromise is an necessity in democracy? That every democracy in the world does it?

Once again, we are at a point where compromise does nothing but benefit those in charge and hurt the rest of us. We've been compromising with Israel for decades and all it's done is make affordability worse for Americans. It's just one of many issues, but compromise makes things worse over time. And also, once again, America is not a democracy.

 

[Roo]

Once again, we are at a point where compromise does nothing but benefit those in charge and hurt the rest of us. We've been compromising with Israel for decades and all it's done is make affordability worse for Americans. It's just one of many issues, but compromise makes things worse over time. And also, once again, America is not a democracy.

Answer my question without bringing American doomerism in it. Do you believe that compromise is inherently bad? If so how do you square with other successful democracies flourishing?

 

[Haoshoku]

Is that foreign interest? Or is that internal politics?

What part of “Israeli-Palestinian conflict” screams internal politics? I mean it still has an affect internally too because the taxpayer’s dollars are unfortunately going there as well.

 

[Roo]

What part of “Israeli-Palestinian conflict” screams internal politics? I mean it still has an affect internally too because the taxpayer’s dollars are unfortunately going there as well.

The part that you showed polls of voters in an election year. U.S foreign interest doesn’t always align with the voters. If that was the case Trump and his plan to expand Israel further in the West Bank would be pro U.S foreign interest

 

[Uncle Van]

Answer my question without bringing American doomerism in it. Do you believe that compromise is inherently bad? If so how do you square with other successful democracies flourishing?

It is not dommerism, but fact by definition. If money is the main driver of govenrment and state policy, not the will and votes of the people, then it's not a democracy.

Once again, compromise is but a temporary fix. Temporary. Fix. Do you follow? Temporary. Foxtrot India X-Ray. Democracy and compromise in other countries ≠ fake democracy and compromise in America.

 

[Roo]

It is not dommerism, but fact by definition. If Mlmoney is the main driver of govenrment and state policy, not the will and votes of the people, then its not democracy.

Once again, compromise is but a temporary fix. Temporary. Fix. Do you follow? Temporary. Foxtrot India X-Ray. Democracy and compromise in other countries ≠ fake democracy and compromise in America.

Why do you keep ignoring my question, is it inherently bad or not

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

What's going on here? Roo is having a bad day it seems.

 

[Haoshoku]

I’ll let you discuss with Van @Roo I’d rather not jump :shame:
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What's going on here? Roo is having a bad day it seems.

Here comes the instigator no one is falling for that

 

[Uncle Van]

Why do you keep ignoring my question, is it inherently bad or not

Once again, since you're being slow, I obviously don't view it as good or bad. It's ONCE AGAIN, just a temporary fix. Enough with the false dilemma.

 

[Roo]

Once again, since you're being slow, I obviously don't view it as good or bad. It's ONCE AGAIN, just a temporary fix. Enough with the false dilemma.

Yet it works perfectly fine with all democracies? Even if we exclude the U.S? How do you square that?

 

[Logiko]

 

[Uncle Van]

Yet it works perfectly fine with all democracies? Even if we exclude the U.S? How do you square that?

Compromise isn't helping America
America isn't a democracy

I guess that doesn't really apply to America yeah? Matter of fact, can you even prove America is a democracy by definition?