Controversial General Political Discussion

[Roo]

I know I just worded it that way because it was a complete meltdown after 20 years of bombing that country.

Lmao they suck them off because they are Israel’s lapdog in that relationship. Otherwise the majority of Americans are getting fed up with sending hundreds of billions of dollars to a genocidal pariah state drawing the anger of an entire region in the world while there are dozens of issues at home that money could be spent on. Not rocket science to realize that isn’t in the best interests of America or its people.

yet every American president believes in a strong relationship with Israel and the other powers in the area? I’m sorry but you’re naive if you think U.S is being Israel. Are they controlled by the Saudis too?

The taliban pullout was so bad that it emboldened Russia to carry out their invasion of Ukraine after smelling weakness from the US hegemonic order.

No it didn’t. Are we just making shit up now?

Biden’s approach to the Palestine crisis is an absolute disaster as far as foreign policy goes like that much is obvious unless you’ve been living under a rock. He’s literally about to lose to Trump because of it. Look at the spillover it has had so far with Iran’s proxies in Yemen and Iraq causing so much problems for the US with American soldiers dying. Haven’t looked into his immigration policies but I’ve seen Democrats calling it out so he’s been utterly failing on multiple fronts.

You do realize you quite literally didn’t answer my question right?

And lol @ losing to trump because of it. You do realize Trump is a lot more pro Israel right? If anything Trump voters want more support for Israel. How is the war so far going to change that? You think Biden failed by not nuking the West Bank?

we’ve been fighting Iran proxies since forever, nothing changed under Biden nor Trump. In fact didnt Trump get a few of our soldiers killed during his little squabble with Iran?

so I ask again, how has the IS/PL war been disastrous for U.S foreign interest? Because as far as I can tell. Same allies, same relationships and same status quo. Nothing changed

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Yeah no. Compromise is the main reason everything is getting shittier overtime. America for example is right wing, and has been getting more right wing over the past 60 years because the democratic party constantly compromises with Republicans.

Biden is an example of someone who pulls a knife out 2 inches, but compromises by not allowing cleaning to be done, making infection spread.

Yeah yes. Politics is, and has always been a game of negotiations where you convince every party gets a win.

Easiest example is policies such as welfare. You think republicans don’t benefit from welfare? That is a win for them. The challenge has always been convincing the other party that they will gain from implementations such as those

if you don’t believe that you’re just a closeted autocrat who wants to impose their morality on others, or delusional. Either way democracy isn’t for you

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A lot of centrists that I know are horrified by Biden, and a lot of American Zionists think he’s not doing enough to help Israel. Biden has no chance of winning due to his dementia and horrible foreign policies. My age group is not willing to vote for him anymore, and that spells doom for his reelection.

But I guess it’s good policy in the eyes of rah-rah democrats and so called enlightened centrists since morality is subjective and it serves our interests in the region somehow? But I guess I’m the delulu one in the eyes of Roo or whatever.

Yes you’re delusional, which is why no politicians you’ll ever support would get shit done at a federal level. And when they do they’ll be so far to the “right” of you that you think they’re centrist or right wingers

Good luck being miserable

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Yes you’re delusional, which is why no politicians you’ll ever support would get shit done at a federal level. And when they do they’ll be so far to the “right” of you that you think they’re centrist or right wingers

Good luck being miserable

Good luck being a partisan hack, a disingenuous concern troll, and a cringe proponent of American exceptionalism.

 

[Uncle Van]

Yeah yes. Politics is, and has always been a game of negotiations where you convince every party gets a win.

Easiest example is policies such as welfare. You think republicans don’t benefit from welfare? That is a win for them. The challenge has always been convincing the other party that they will gain from implementations such as those

if you don’t believe that you’re just a closeted autocrat who wants to impose their morality on others, or delusional. Either way democracy isn’t for you

America isn't even a democracy lol. It's an oligarchy.

And you're telling ME, of all people, that I'm trying to enforce my own morality? Lmao. You're the one all in your feelings man. I go with history and practically, and by history, compromise has been a failure fucking over everyone but the people in charge.

 

[Roo]

America isn't even a democracy lol. It's an oligarchy.

lmao

And you're telling ME, of all people, that I'm trying to enforce my own morality? Lmao. You're the one all in your feelings man. I go with history and practically, and by history, compromise has been a failure fucking over everyone but the people in charge.

Yeah im pointing it out because you’re acting like the most annoying poster in this thread, which tbh he would probably agree with me here since he believes leftist policies help right wing people.

lol @ history. Do yourself a favor and actually study governments and their structures. You think the U.S is the only one where “compromise” exist? Every single type of democratic government is like this. The goal is to convince the populous that you have their best interest at heart, and in order to do you compromises are reached.

I thought you knew this already, but I guess America doomerism has rotted your brain

 

[Haoshoku]

yet every American president believes in a strong relationship with Israel and the other powers in the area? I’m sorry but you’re naive if you think U.S is being Israel. Are they controlled by the Saudis too?

No it didn’t. Are we just making shit up now?

You do realize you quite literally didn’t answer my question right?

And lol @ losing to trump because of it. You do realize Trump is a lot more pro Israel right? If anything Trump voters want more support for Israel. How is the war so far going to change that? You think Biden failed by not nuking the West Bank?

we’ve been fighting Iran proxies since forever, nothing changed under Biden nor Trump. In fact didnt Trump get a few of our soldiers killed during his little squabble with Iran?

This guy’s brain turns off whenever it comes to Middle East geopolitics lol, can’t say it’s not understood tho since we are on a weeb forum.

Israel has a tight leash on America in several ways. For example look at what lobby groups like AIPAC are doing openly bragging about how they succeed in electing people who serve their interests:

Look at the numbers, 98% of seated congressmen this year got their pockets lined up to submit to Israel. They’ve had similar numbers every year. A candidate that tries to put American interests first at the slight detriment of Israel is not even winning in an election.

The fact that you bring up Saudi is laughable, does Saudi Arabia even have a lobby group in DC? 😂 Anyone who tries to argue that America isn’t subservient in a way to Israel will always sound lost because the facts simply aren’t with them.

Of course Trump is pro Israel, he has to be. I literally said the US is the lapdog of Israel in their relationship. Doesn’t mean that Biden’s policies/responses have been good.

And recently those proxies stepped up their attacks after things were quieting down in the Middle East before Oct 7th. US soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq from Iranian proxies after Oct 7 as a direct result of what the zionists are doing in Gaza.

 

[Uncle Van]

lmao

Yeah im pointing it out because you’re acting like the most annoying poster in this thread, which tbh he would probably agree with me here since he believes leftist policies help right wing people.

lol @ history. Do yourself a favor and actually study governments and their structures. You think the U.S is the only one where “compromise” exist? Every single type of democratic government is like this. The goal is to convince the populous that you have their best interest at heart, and in order to do you compromises are reached.

I thought you knew this already, but I guess America doomerism has rotted your brain

So irrational. Another one who acts chill when in agreement, but turns a 180 the instant they see something they disagree with.

America is at a point where compromise doesn't help anymore. Money and Corporations have a shit ton of influence in neoliberal, capitalist America. Funding is what determines the likelihood of someone winning elections, politicians receive funding(lobbying) to push certain policies etc..

The scale has been tipped greatly to one side causing an imbalance. If there's a problem, compromise will make the issue grow slowly overtime cause you're still giving power to those mostly responsible for said problems.

 

[Roo]

So irrational. Another one who acts chill when in agreement, but turns a 180 the instant they see something they disagree with.

America is at a point where compromise doesn't help anymore. Money and Corporations have a shit ton of influence in neoliberal, capitalist America. Funding is what determines the likelihood of someone winning elections, politicians receive funding(lobbying) to push certain policies etc..

The scale has been tipped greatly to one side causing an imbalance. If there's a problem, compromise will make the issue grow slowly overtime cause you're still giving power to those mostly responsible for said problems.

I’m still chill, just pointing out that you’re just wrong. Don’t be mad when people put the mirror in front of you and you realize you’re just like C4N lmao.

like I’ve said before, compromise is part of politics overall. You’re so full of American doomerism that you’ve literally ignored my comment. EVERY democratic government does what I stated. If you think compromise is inherently wrong then you’re against democracy

 

[Haoshoku]

Damn did this mans just compare Van to C4N? I’d advise logging out and touching some grass lmao

 

[Roo]

This guy’s brain turns off whenever it comes to Middle East geopolitics lol, can’t say it’s not understood tho since we are on a weeb forum.

Israel has a tight leash on America in several ways. For example look at what lobby groups like AIPAC are doing openly bragging about how they succeed in electing people who serve their interests:

Look at the numbers, 98% of seated congressmen this year got their pockets lined up to submit to Israel. They’ve had similar numbers every year. A candidate that tries to put American interests first at the slight detriment of Israel is not even winning in an election.

The fact that you bring up Saudi is laughable, does Saudi Arabia even have a lobby group in DC? 😂 Anyone who tries to argue that America isn’t subservient in a way to Israel will always sound lost because the facts simply aren’t with them.

And recently those proxies stepped up their attacks after things were quieting down in the Middle East before Oct 7th. US soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq from Iranian proxies after Oct 7 as a direct result of what the zionists are doing in Gaza.

I ask again, how did the IS/PL war change the status quo or negatively changed our foreign interest?

You know what gets APAC more support? The majority of boomer voters who support Israel. You have no idea how pro Zionist our largest voting block is. I mean you probably do but ignore it. Lobbying overall doesn’t have the impact people think it has, there’s like millions of studies done on this

 

[AL sama]

so van is like C4N?? damn man

 

[Uncle Van]

I’m still chill, just pointing out that you’re just wrong. Don’t be mad when people put the mirror in front of you and you realize you’re just like C4N lmao.

Bruh you just trashed all of your political credibility lmao

 

[Roo]

Bruh you just trashed all of your political credibility lmao

You’re quite literally making the same argument he does but from the other spectrum.

 

[Uncle Van]

You’re quite literally making the same argument he does but from the other spectrum.

Lol how so?

 

[Roo]

Lol how so?

“Morality is subjective, therefore politics centered around it are just not effective”

was my argument and you went at it. C4N the same person who leads with their morality would agree with you.

 

[Uncle Van]

“Morality is subjective, therefore politics centered around it are just not effective”

was my argument and you went at it. C4N the same person who leads with their morality would agree with you.

Lmao I'm the main guy who be talking about how everyone in politics do moral shit slinging 24/7 and how "facts don't care about your feelings." How in any way did you make such an enormous leap from me stating facts based on history?

 

[Roo]

Lmao I'm the main guy who be talking about how everyone in politics do moral shit slinging 24/7 and how "facts don't care about your feelings." How in any way did you make such an enormous leap from me stating facts based on history?

Then why the fuck are you even arguing? Did your brain just shut off when you read the words “compromise”?

 

[Haoshoku]

I ask again, how did the IS/PL war change the status quo or negatively changed our foreign interest?

It’s always been bad. But sending billions of dollars to fund a genocide has absolutely had a negative affect, is that even a question? Public opinion matters. And Sleepy Biden doesn’t do well with PR when he comes out and reassures he will keep funding it no matter what and then actually proceeds to keep funding them with hundreds of billions of dollars.

You know what gets APAC more support? The majority of boomer voters who support Israel. You have no idea how pro Zionist our largest voting block is. I mean you probably do but ignore it. Lobbying overall doesn’t have the impact people think it has, there’s like millions of studies done on this

AIPAC isn’t getting its millions of dollars from boomer donors. They aren’t riding that hard for Israel even if they’ve been brainwashed through mainstream media for all of their life. Most of them don’t have the monetary resources to facilitate that.

AIPAC is literally bragging about how they control 98% of congress to be in favor of Israel and you’re telling me it doesn’t have an impact

 

[Roo]

It’s always been bad. But sending billions of dollars to fund a genocide has absolutely had a negative affect, is that even a question? Public opinion matters. And Sleepy Biden doesn’t do well with PR when he comes out and reassures he will keep funding it no matter what and then actually proceeds to keep funding them with hundreds of billions of dollars.

AIPAC isn’t getting its millions of dollars from boomer donors. They aren’t riding that hard for Israel even if they’ve been brainwashed through mainstream media for all of their life. Most of them don’t have the monetary resources to facilitate that.

AIPAC is literally bragging about how they control 98% of congress to be in favor of Israel and you’re telling me it doesn’t have an impact

Did I say it didn’t have an impact? I’m saying it’s not the end all be all. Again there’s studies showing lobbying isn’t the zero sum game people think it is

and glad we’ve agree the IS/PL has done nothing to change the status quo of foreign interest. Since you have failed to show how

 

[Toby D. Dog]

All of this establishment humping and bipartisanship lead to the destruction of the middle class in America which ultimately gave us Trump. All it does is lead to Imperial decline.

 

[Uncle Van]

Then why the fuck are you even arguing? Did your brain just shut off when you read the words “compromise”?

I repeat something I've been saying for the longest time. Republicans=right wing.
Democrats=center right and love to compromise. Result is that America becomes more right wing and issues aren't fixed.

Compromise is just a temporary fix and soon evolves into a bigger problem. Nothing about this has anything to do with morality do you reached like a mothafucka lmao