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This is my view too. Why are we excusing barbarism? It's just the warbling of wannabe revolutionaries. Those who took over the states aren't even alive anymore, but fuck it, let's collectively punish their descendents...
Wait... weren't we calling for collective punishment to -not- happen. Yes... guilty by association is only acceptable when it's the OPPRESSOR.
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Was there really anywhere to go? Just curious at this point.
Wait... weren't we calling for collective punishment to -not- happen. Yes... guilty by association is only acceptable when it's the OPPRESSOR.
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Was there really anywhere to go? Just curious at this point.
Oh yes it will. It will or all palestinian will die. So it better will.
The hamas is not an obstacle to peace, its just a radicalized group, once the palestinian sees an opportunity for peace with a great figure, they will put themself hamas down.
WRONG. In this case it is. Why ? because the Israelian gov consider the hamas as a menace and their war goal to defeat.
The thing is. Hamas CAN'T be defeated. Simply because hamas comes from anger and radicalized people triggered by the israelian gov itself and its policy. So the only way to take down hamas is to take down ALL possible radicalized people. Which means ALL the population of Gaza under 30 and over 15. this can only be done effectively with a massive bombing like an atomic strike.
You don't fight radicalization with war. You fight it only with peace.
So the only viable way is peace and the end of colonization. because thats what wants those people.
The hamas is not an obstacle to peace, its just a radicalized group, once the palestinian sees an opportunity for peace with a great figure, they will put themself hamas down.
WRONG. In this case it is. Why ? because the Israelian gov consider the hamas as a menace and their war goal to defeat.
The thing is. Hamas CAN'T be defeated. Simply because hamas comes from anger and radicalized people triggered by the israelian gov itself and its policy. So the only way to take down hamas is to take down ALL possible radicalized people. Which means ALL the population of Gaza under 30 and over 15. this can only be done effectively with a massive bombing like an atomic strike.
You don't fight radicalization with war. You fight it only with peace.
So the only viable way is peace and the end of colonization. because thats what wants those people.
this is absolutely wrong lol. The reason why Hamas got popular in the first place was because of the second intifada in which they proved violence gets results. Same as Hezbollah when they repelled Israelis forces
you give Hamas what they want and they get more popular. Anybody with an ounce of political knowledge knows this.
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I want both people to stop, but you can’t tell the guy with the gun to stop shooting when the guy with the rock keeps attacking him
you give Hamas what they want and they get more popular. Anybody with an ounce of political knowledge knows this.
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I want both people to stop, but you can’t tell the guy with the gun to stop shooting when the guy with the rock keeps attacking him
This is an analogy. While the hamas has rocket. Israel has the iron dome that surpass those rocket and have the FREAKING ATOMIC BOMB.
WHO has the power here ? Come on. you are almost there.
Yes, violence, fueled by anger. none of my point are false here.
YES YOU F CAN.
If you can't do that you are a fool playing with big guns.
The one with the power must ALWAYS stop first, and accept their responsibility and power in the conflict to permit to the other guys to stop the guy with the rock.. Or annihilate completely the adversary, meaning shooting the guy with a rock.
Right now, our gov are supporting the last option where the FIRST should be the logic.
WHO has the power here ? Come on. you are almost there.
Yes, violence, fueled by anger. none of my point are false here.
YES YOU F CAN.
If you can't do that you are a fool playing with big guns.
The one with the power must ALWAYS stop first, and accept their responsibility and power in the conflict to permit to the other guys to stop the guy with the rock.. Or annihilate completely the adversary, meaning shooting the guy with a rock.
Right now, our gov are supporting the last option where the FIRST should be the logic.
I think you're working under the presumption that Hamas wants 'peace'. I cannot speak for them, but given that they consider this Jihad, do you honestly believe they want peaceful coexistence? Not to support the IDF, but if they put their guns down at this point they'll just be killed. Do you disagree? Honestly curious.
I don't hold a grudge against modern-day Germans. I'm not sure if that's controversial, but I had plenty of family members die by Nazi German hands. Should I hate all their descendants?
I don't hold a grudge against modern-day Germans. I'm not sure if that's controversial, but I had plenty of family members die by Nazi German hands. Should I hate all their descendants?
Before Hamas' even came into being it was the Palestinians vs the white supremacists zionists.
Then it was the PLO vs the white supremacists zionists.
Then it was Hamas vs the white supremacists zionists.
And if Hamas suddenly disappeared in the next hour, it would just go back to being the palestinians vs the white supremacists zionists.
The common denominator of all violence in that region goes back to the people behind the King David Hotel bombing and it wasn't the palestinians or hamas that did it.
Obviously arab/Muslim hating, athiests/evangelical Christian/zionist (pick your poison) in here don't care or refuse to see it.
Netanyahu and his like will get there's one day, that's a given
Then it was the PLO vs the white supremacists zionists.
Then it was Hamas vs the white supremacists zionists.
And if Hamas suddenly disappeared in the next hour, it would just go back to being the palestinians vs the white supremacists zionists.
The common denominator of all violence in that region goes back to the people behind the King David Hotel bombing and it wasn't the palestinians or hamas that did it.
Obviously arab/Muslim hating, athiests/evangelical Christian/zionist (pick your poison) in here don't care or refuse to see it.
Netanyahu and his like will get there's one day, that's a given
read what I post and stop putting words in my mouthNo, PALESTINIANS want peace. And the Hamas is constituated by radicalized Palestianian. You must kill the snake by staving it. You can't kill it with a gun. Meaning that you can only defeat hamas by creating a way for the palestinian deny the Hamas as a legitimate way to make revenge or peace.
That way, only the most foundamentalist and radicalized people will stay, and you will be able to pick them up like flowers in grass.
The palestinian are not the one in power. Therefore its not up to them to resolve this conflict. The one with power must end the conflict and offer a way for the palestinian to stop violence. Meaning giving them something better to seak peace than violence:
- Cease fire
- Two state
- End of colonization
- Humanitary roads
- End of oppression of gaza
- Apology of the israelian gov.
No. A guy with a gun will never be confortable if he feels threatened by a guy with a rock.
A third party must intervene.
Meaning US. (not usa, US)
That way, only the most foundamentalist and radicalized people will stay, and you will be able to pick them up like flowers in grass.
The palestinian are not the one in power. Therefore its not up to them to resolve this conflict. The one with power must end the conflict and offer a way for the palestinian to stop violence. Meaning giving them something better to seak peace than violence:
- Cease fire
- Two state
- End of colonization
- Humanitary roads
- End of oppression of gaza
- Apology of the israelian gov.
No. A guy with a gun will never be confortable if he feels threatened by a guy with a rock.
A third party must intervene.
Meaning US. (not usa, US)
You know, I think I realise the problem now. You're equating it in such a manner like it is two people. It is not. Sure, the government with the nukes will feel safer, but do their populace? Their populace are still just weak, fleshy people who can be killed with knives, bullets, etc. If Hamas was not a threat to civilians, I wouldn't even bring that up... but it's not just the ones in power who need to be considered. Palestine/Hamas are still a threat to the Israeli populace, regardless of the differentials in their weapon quality.