Controversial General Political Discussion

Logiko

Logiko

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Uncle Van said:
A Meritocracy by definition, is the notion of a political system in which economic goods or political power are vested in individual people based on ability and talent, rather than wealth, social class, or race.
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And that the problem. Like Zenos, you are sticking to the definition.

The political sociology and reality of meritocracy is not limited to this definition. Meritocracy, just like Transphobia or Systemic Racism or Patriarchy can be seen in a larger area.

For example:

- Systemic racism can be seen against Asian American in the form of positive discrimination.
- Transphobia can be seen in a feminist calling a Trans women a man
- Patriarchy can be seen through some of the struggles of men in society
- The myth of Meritocracy can be observed in the way towns are constructed and/or abandonned.


Roo said:
he's the caricature of depressed lefty who thinks there's not much we can do to change our conditions or lifting weights is right winged
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Dude, if you think that I'm depressed and that I think that there is no much that can be done to better my or our condition, you are delusionnal.

Really... just observe the way i'm acting on this forum. Do you feel like this is the words of a sad and defeated leftist with no will power ?

:snoopy:
 
Bisoromi Bear

Bisoromi Bear

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Logiko

Logiko

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Uncle Van said:
So instead of sticking to the universal definition, we should instead listen to the made up versions for each individual person. Brilliant!
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No. You should listen to this definition, its a good one. Its just not complete. Meritocracy is more than just a political system its a failed social structure in every aspect of society.

if you want a more broad explanation of the concept, you can read this encyclopedic article on wiki about Meritocracy. It much more complete and if you want to really understand why meritocracy is not working again > Leftist library section sociology.

That video is essential (that's why its in Yellow):


What you must understand (and sadly I did not find good content explaining this in English as of today) is that the vision of Kant, Meritocracy, is what gave birth to liberalism and liberalism can be traced back in each and every aspect of our daily life.

For example:


Liberalism and meritocracy are the IDEALIST vision of human nature and the idealistic vision that we are in full control of our action, emotion and situation and that we can therefore better our situation by bettering ourselves. In the majority of the case, this is not how reality works.

We should strive to do our best, but we simply can't become billionaires or CEO with just hard work, there needs to be more. And that's where the notion of capitals is important. (video 1). We might be lucky and get out of our social class one step further, but those cases are rare. Poor will mostly stay poor and rich will always stay rich.

Its important to understand the concept of social mobility.
https://www.oecd.org/stories/social-mobility/

We can change that. But for that, we must fight together, not alone.
 
Ravagerblade

Ravagerblade

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Bisoromi Bear said:
Go away redneck
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Solis, please refrain from speaking to me. I'm not interested in reading your annoying comments. Nothing about what you write matters in anyway.
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Tell me your grooming kids without telling me your grooming kids.

They're so targeting kids, It's undeniable at this point.
 
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Roo

Roo

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Logiko said:
And that the problem. Like Zenos, you are sticking to the definition.

The political sociology and reality of meritocracy is not limited to this definition. Meritocracy, just like Transphobia or Systemic Racism or Patriarchy can be seen in a larger area.

For example:

- Systemic racism can be seen against Asian American in the form of positive discrimination.
- Transphobia can be seen in a feminist calling a Trans women a man
- Patriarchy can be seen through some of the struggles of men in society
- The myth of Meritocracy can be observed in the way towns are constructed and/or abandonned.




Dude, if you think that I'm depressed and that I think that there is no much that can be done to better my or our condition, you are delusionnal.

Really... just observe the way i'm acting on this forum. Do you feel like this is the words of a sad and defeated leftist with no will power ?

:snoopy:
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The whole point of having words and definitions is to have an universal understanding, language it’s pointless without it.

for example, everyone understands hello is a greeting. If you suddenly decide to use hello to dismiss people you’ll just end up confusing every person you talk to.

You’re just confusing everyone when you ignore the commonly understood meaning of words and use your own.

Also yes you do give off that stereotype in that conversation with Van.
 
Etzel Andergast

Etzel Andergast

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Roo said:
The whole point of having words and definitions is to have an universal understanding, language it’s pointless without it.

for example, everyone understands hello is a greeting. If you suddenly decide to use hello to dismiss people you’ll just end up confusing every person you talk to.

You’re just confusing everyone when you ignore the commonly understood meaning of words and use your own.

Also yes you do give off that stereotype in that conversation with Van.
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Did you read Apel or Habermas?
 
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