Controversial General Political Discussion

[Owl Ki]

The refusal to accept refugees led to those people being murdered by the nazis

Aye, I guess all those Jewish refugees that went to nearby nations like Poland, Czechoslovakia or France were safe then.....

Oh wait.

It is almost like a belligerent, expansionist, genocidal ethnostate that is out for conquest isn't going to be appeased after slaughtering one group that they don't like.

If Jewish refugees were all saved then it would have been all the Slavs needing saved from the Nazi meat grinder.

If the Palestinians are all saved then the Lebanese will be the next lot needing saving from the Israeli meat grinder.

It won't stop until Israel is brought to heel and assisting in its acts of ethnic cleansing would be an act of immense stupidity for the nations surrounding it.

Immigration is a net benefit to the economy

This isn't immigration, this is a mass refugee exodus we are talking about, you disingenuous clown.

Hey, if a mass refugee intake is so good then let's see Israel take in all these Arab refugees then.

if they actually cared about the people in Gaza, they’d save them.

These people are trapped in a war zone with no way out

"If they actually cared about them, they'd assist in their ethnic cleansing."

Nah mate, if they had the will then what they should do is diplomatically isolate Israel, sanction it, kick out all of Israel's diplomats and ambassadors, deny all Israeli flagged shipping, deny use of their airspace to Israeli flights and declare the IDF a terrorist organisation as a start. They would lead the way in isolating Israel from the rest of the world and treating it like the rogue, genocidal, pariah state it deserves to be treated as, not assist in the ethnic cleansing of their cultural brethren you morally bankrupt ghoul.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

If the Palestinians are all saved then the Lebanese will be the next lot needing saving from the Israeli meat grinder.

Israel is merely the USA's placeholder in the middle east

if they actually cared about the people in Gaza, they’d save them.

These people are trapped in a war zone with no way out

Yes

Immigration is a net benefit to the economy

Coerced immigration is brain drain

 

[Monkey D Theories]

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Nah mate, if they had the will then what they should do is diplomatically isolate Israel, sanction it, kick out all of Israel's diplomats and ambassadors, deny all Israeli flagged shipping, deny use of their airspace to Israeli flights and declare the IDF a terrorist organisation as a start. They would lead the way in isolating Israel from the rest of the world and treating it like the rogue, genocidal, pariah state it deserves to be treated as, not assist in the ethnic cleansing of their cultural brethren you morally bankrupt ghoul.

that’s not mutually exclusive with accepting refugees
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And I do believe the Arab states had tried that and nothing came of it

 

[Uncle Van]

There's a different between immigration and uncontrolled mass immigration. Immigration is indeed a net positive as it adds more to the welfare and social security system, and keeps the labor force strong as birthrate decline. Mass Immigration however bleeds out the wellfare system, gives politicians an excuse to push back the age of retirement and reduce government benefits, artificially pump housing prices, and gives corporations more opportunities to keep wages and benefits low.

When politicians are constantly speaking for mass Immigration, and corporations lobbying in favor it, that alone is a giant red flag.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

that’s not mutually exclusive with accepting refugees
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And I do believe the Arab states had tried that and nothing came of it

When are you claiming your birthright tho?

 

[Roo]

while I don't think just because the MENA countries don't want to take palestinian refugees it means they dont give a fuck about them, I do find it hilarious the refugees rights all fall on the shoulders of the western world.

We literally give them path to citizenships, irrc none of the countries surrounding palestine gives palestinian refugees that

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

That's your fantasy mate. Human will act badly if the system is bad. No matter their origins.

It just happen that the system created by Europeans was far more oppressive, hegemonic and imperialist that the other ones.

Man you just LOVE to spam the words oppressive and oppression.
It wasn't particularly more oppressive per se, but it was more efficient in conquering. You just hate European people and want them to die.

 

[Logiko]

You just hate European people and want them to die.

Again.. I'm European Einstein.

Europeans installed their imperialism all over the world and it created the situation some countries are facing today. This is an historical FACT.

Now, either you accept it or not. I do not care. But stop spreading missinformation and your fantasy about me.

 

[Uncle Van]

There's a different between immigration and uncontrolled mass immigration. Immigration is indeed a net positive as it adds more to the welfare and social security system, and keeps the labor force strong as birthrate decline. Mass Immigration however bleeds out the wellfare system, gives politicians an excuse to push back the age of retirement and reduce government benefits, artificially pump housing prices, and gives corporations more opportunities to keep wages and benefits low.

When politicians are constantly speaking for mass Immigration, and corporations lobbying in favor it, that alone is a giant red flag.

Forgot to mention that for the US, they still deport a ton of migrants. The Democrats party are so open about mass immigration yet the deport more than Republicans. Obama deported 420K, Trump 270k, and Biden 800k(so far). Goes to show ya how this is nothing but a tool for more money and power. They keep turning immigration into a moral/social justice issue, when it has, like many other things, always been an economic one.

 

[Indigo]

 

[Roo]

Forgot to mention that for the US, they still deport a ton of migrants. The Democrats party are so open about mass immigration yet the deport more than Republicans. Obama deported 420K, Trump 270k, and Biden 800k(so far). Goes to show ya how this is nothing but a tool for more money and power. They keep turning immigration into a moral/social justice issue, when it has, like many other things, always been an economic one.

One of the factors is immigration spikes whenever a democrat is in power due to their perceived easier on immigration policies.

 

[Owl Ki]

that’s not mutually exclusive with accepting refugees

It is mutually exclusive to the interests of the nearby politically burdened Arab states to assist Israel in its ethnic cleansing endeavours.

And I do believe the Arab states had tried that and nothing came of it

I said they need to lead the way to ultimately the entire world doing that. Last big actions I saw was Malaysia refusing Israeli shipping and the Houthis blocking the Red Sea. Otherwise, not much has happened recently since October 7th that I know of.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Again.. I'm European Einstein.

Europeans installed their imperialism all over the world and it created the situation some countries are facing today. This is an historical FACT.

Now, either you accept it or not. I do not care. But stop spreading missinformation and your fantasy about me.

Many Europeans like you hate Europe, but they keep living here. Is your background European too?
You brought 0 evidence, and on the other hand there is plenty of evidence of huge wars and imperialism happening in other cultures. Spamming the same false thing 100 times won't make it true.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

When are you claiming your birthright tho?

I’m not ever going to move to Israel. I think the country is pretty .

I don’t want to raise my kids in a land perpetually at war.

Not to mention that while I would be eligible for Israeli citizenship after completing a reform conversion, because the country is a theocracy run by the orthodoxy, I would never be able to get married in Israel.

Israel only has religious marriage and because they only use the orthodox definition of Jewishness, I couldn’t get a Jewish marriage because reform conversion isn’t valid by orthodox standards.

An Israeli told me that a lot of Israelis go to Cyprus to get married because Israel does recognize all marriages done abroad. But if you want to get a gay marriage or an interfaith marriage you can’t do that in Israel.
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I would like to visit one day, if only to see the religious sites and everything, but I’m really not invested in the country

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

What is going on here?

Oh boy...where do I even begin with this

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

I’m not ever going to move to Israel. I think the country is pretty .

I don’t want to raise my kids in a land perpetually at war.

Not to mention that while I would be eligible for Israeli citizenship after completing a reform conversion, because the country is a theocracy run by the orthodoxy, I would never be able to get married in Israel.

Israel only has religious marriage and because they only use the orthodox definition of Jewishness, I couldn’t get a Jewish marriage because reform conversion isn’t valid by orthodox standards.

An Israeli told me that a lot of Israelis go to Cyprus to get married because Israel does recognize all marriages done abroad. But if you want to get a gay marriage or an interfaith marriage you can’t do that in Israel.
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I would like to visit one day, if only to see the religious sites and everything, but I’m really not invested in the country

I don't get it, are you Jewish?

 

[NAMELESS]

Again.. I'm European Einstein.

Europeans installed their imperialism all over the world and it created the situation some countries are facing today. This is an historical FACT.

Now, either you accept it or not. I do not care. But stop spreading missinformation and your fantasy about me.

I wouldn't generalize like that. Only a handful of European nations had colonies.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Never vote for the far right. Even if you need to vote for liberals.

I live in NY, my vote doesn’t make a difference at all.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I live in NY, my vote doesn’t make a difference at all.

Your avi is a.i. right?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Your avi is a.i. right?

No, it is not.