Anime & Manga How did Sanji fans cope with the fact Zoro has kingly ambitions?

mrtsrdr

mrtsrdr

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cleanmrpostman said:
If WCI wasn't enough to teach you that Sanji isn't a conqueror then nothing will.
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when zoro want to sacrifice himself for luffy instead of his dream , he just met with luffy one month ago . May be less than that time . Which kind of conqueror did do this ? Or which kind of king begging his oppenent for training ? You cannot understand coc rule

there is no standard for coc .
if oda want to give , no matter who you are . You can be coc user.
Im notsaying sanji has coc potential or something . Your coc understanding is very wrong
 
cleanmrpostman

cleanmrpostman

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#102
#102
mrtsrdr said:
when zoro want to sacrifice himself for luffy instead of his dream , he just met with luffy one month ago . May be less than that time . Which kind of conqueror did do this ? Or which kind of king begging his oppenent for training ? You cannot understand coc rule

there is no standard for coc .
if oda want to give , no matter who you are . You can be coc user.
Im notsaying sanji has coc potential or something . Your coc understanding is very wrong
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Zoro's dream is to beat the WSS, getting training from him doesn't stop that from happening, he gave up nothing regarding his ambition. Sanji went and submitted to Big Mom ending his dream right then and there. I'm honestly not sure why you're comparing Zoro taking Luffy's pain as that has nothing to do with ending/giving up an ambition. Sanji gave up, and for stupid and disloyal reasons to boot.

Of course there's standards for CoC, otherwise Oda wouldn't have shown the difference between Kidd, Luffy and the rest of the supernova who submitted to Kaido. There are those whose wills are broken when against a Yonko alone and those whose aren't. WCI distinctly showed Sanji submitted like Hawkins or Apoo, and couldn't win without the help of his captain. Zoro however explicitly opposed WCI in the first place and debuted his conquerors haki against one of the strongest conquerors ever, similar to Luffy and Kidd.
 
BleakAsh

BleakAsh

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Yasheen said:
Yes Sanji believes someone’s life is more important than their ambition because he didn’t know how important Zoros ambition was to him.
Simultaneously sanji believes someone’s life is less important than their ideals also shown In Baratie when he showed that he’d rather die than let Zeff who he sees as a father die.

Both we’re always willing to die for what they see as most important to them.
Good bait thread tho!
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Sanji has this inter-personal dichotomy going on during Baratie

the most authentic way to look at it imo generally would be from sanji's ignorance towards zoro''s ideals in zoro' s eyes (like you rightly mentioned) ... he didn't gauge it while being in Zoro's shoes coz Zoro's ambition in east blue to folks did look delusional and thats a natural reaction especially when you're facing the goal and its actually making you look delusional.

exactly why when sanji saves Luffy from drowning after his victory against Don Krieg he recalls Luffy and zoro standing up to their word and dreams and the iconic line from zeff after that recollection is the cherry on the topping basically my signature (in the context of Luffy vs Don Krieg) with addition to " I know a certain idiot who's chewing his own spear of grit for no good reason".

Meaning sanji is no different than zoro and Luffy when it comes to his ambitions..he was sacrificing his ambition for someone... he realized this "hypocrisy" or irony i reckon after that

recall Luffy even asking him how equivocally nonsensical it sounds to claim "I'm repaying my debt that saved my life by dying a pointless death"

i hope I'm coherent
 
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Mr.9000

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Does Zeff have CoC? He actually went to the Grandline as a captain and return successfully; then sacrificed his leg for a kid who was willing to kill him for his food. Then he became an owner of the best restaurant in the east blue and is the head chef. Sounds like Zeff should have CoC than Sanji. I recall Sanji being a failure to his own family, love or hate Judge V, he saw no king in Sanji. lol
Theyre ZERO cooks with conquerors haki or any warriors of science. If Luffy and Zoro didnt show up, he wouldve stayed his ass with Zeff. Ultimately giving up his ambition to find the all blue. Him being adamant with Zoro to drop his, was because he thought it was stupid if its seems impossible, like finding the all blue to cooks.
 
Yo Tan Wa

Yo Tan Wa

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#119
Lmao haters saying All Blue is equivalent to finding pond with fishes in it.

You are in for a big surprise if you doubt All Blue is not going to be closely related to One Piece end game story telling.

This is 1000th time Sanji dream is being shat at when All Blue is legendary and mythical like Laugh Tale. No one believes they even exist outside Grandline, infact All Blue is rarer to exist than Laugh Tale. A pirate biggest dream is to catch the biggest treasure, while a Cook biggest dream is to find the mythical All Blue. This dream is perfectly alright, Noland the Great who has many similarities to PK was a Botanist wanted to find new plants for medicines. Like research a little instead of dumbly repeating it is worthless because Strength doesn't come into equation.​
 
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Shisui

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#120
Salah WG said:
Their Strategy is simple

1. Everything is Canon until Mihawk or Zoro are Hyped as among Strongest in it
2. Every Power is Hype until Mihawk or Zoro possess it
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As if Zoro stans weren't downplaying CoC and calling it fodder control when Luffy got it and let's not forget that you lot are mad salty till this day about Future Sight. Watch the switch up when Zoro gets FS.
Honestly, you lot are as bad as each other.

Sanji stans downplay Zoro's abilities and Zoro's stans do exactly the same to Luffy.
 
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