Questions & Mysteries If Zoro’s attack had connected in chapter 1002 would he have killed/grievously scarred Kaido without acoc?

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

no argument as to why hiryu kean is doing more damage than his ashura + coc ? did
he literally told us that was his current limit.
doing what he did in that attack consistently is promising tho
thats the next stage of growth for him I suppose. putting coc in his attacks

 

[nik87]

Pre-FS Fresh Luffy had no problems dodging Katakuri's attacks.

Pre-FS Heavily injured Luffy had no problems dodging Katakuri's attacks.

By your logic, the more injured Luffy became, the easier it should have been for Katakuri to land attacks and finish him off. Did that happen? No. It didn't matter how much damage Luffy had taken, he was still able to dodge Katakuri who took barely any damage until the very end of the fight.

How can you read the same material as we all do and get everything wrong?
We will have to seriously start charging you guys for explanations of comics aimed at teenagers...
The more Luffy got injured, the more he tried to focus on Observation which he wasnt trying while fresh.
All you got to do is read and not sleep on half of the stuff... :yasu:

That's crazy I'd love to see the fine print where Zoro says "This is the limit of my ability and then whispers, *(in this condition)*". Or when he says "that was the best attack I could do and whispers *(Ur lucky that Hiryu Kaen missed earlier tho)*".

I've gotta say this damage control is astonishing to say the least. Characters surpassing their limits and pulling out their strongest attacks while in their most critical conditions is literally manga 101. But apparently that doesn't apply to Zoro - tbh he's still probably healing from the scar Mihawk gave him back on the Baratie.

Damn so now Zoro's Haki was affected by the damage? We really just out here freestyling excuses now huh lmfao. Show me the panel implying Zoro's Haki was in any way affected by him stopping Hakai.

Zoro's Haki was so drained that he added Conqueror's Haki to his attack without even knowing it - what a guy

Oda doesnt need to spell it all out or does he?
There is no damage control, the Emperors shat themselves for Hiryu Kaen only. It is a manga fact.
Which limits did Zoro surpass in this fight?
You are free to show me the same amount of haki leakage as during Hiryu Kaen.
What do you think was used to block island sized Hakai? GUTS?
Give me your best shot at Damaji Kontrolu! :yasu:

he literally told us that was his current limit.

And collapsed because he was at his limit...
It's not hard to understand simple comics, it really isnt.
But betting against Zoro worked fine so far so keep it up. :yasu:

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Yes katakuri‘s ap is just that ass next question please

Word, all those bruises, blood loss, knots on Luffy's face, and him screaming in pain implies Katakuri's ap was ass.

Luffy wasn't damage.... He had a makeup artist come in mid fight and jazz him up a bit for dramatic effect.

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How can you read the same material as we all do and get everything wrong?
We will have to seriously start charging you guys for explanations of comics aimed at teenagers...
The more Luffy got injured, the more he tried to focus on Observation which he wasnt trying while fresh.
All you got to do is read and not sleep on half of the stuff... :yasu:


Oda doesnt need to spell it all out or does he?
There is no damage control, the Emperors shat themselves for Hiryu Kaen only. It is a manga fact.
Which limits did Zoro surpass in this fight?
You are free to show me the same amount of haki leakage as during Hiryu Kaen.
What do you think was used to block island sized Hakai? GUTS?
Give me your best shot at Damaji Kontrolu! :yasu:


And collapsed because he was at his limit...
It's not hard to understand simple comics, it really isnt.
But betting against Zoro worked fine so far so keep it up. :yasu:

Before that, genius.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

How can you read the same material as we all do and get everything wrong?
We will have to seriously start charging you guys for explanations of comics aimed at teenagers...
The more Luffy got injured, the more he tried to focus on Observation which he wasnt trying while fresh.
All you got to do is read and not sleep on half of the stuff... :yasu:


Oda doesnt need to spell it all out or does he?
There is no damage control, the Emperors shat themselves for Hiryu Kaen only. It is a manga fact.
Which limits did Zoro surpass in this fight?
You are free to show me the same amount of haki leakage as during Hiryu Kaen.
What do you think was used to block island sized Hakai? GUTS?
Give me your best shot at Damaji Kontrolu! :yasu:


And collapsed because he was at his limit...
It's not hard to understand simple comics, it really isnt.
But betting against Zoro worked fine so far so keep it up. :yasu:

its not betting against zoro
if zoro gets back and shows more
you know what that means . GROWTH.
you like to act like zoro was this strong since the timeskip started and that is simply false.

 

[nik87]

its not betting against zoro
if zoro gets back and shows more
you know what that means . GROWTH.
you like to act like zoro was this strong since the timeskip started and that is simply false.

No, it is not growth, it is called recovered to a better condition.
You wish it is growth, it isnt unless it is specifically something new.
He literally was this strong the moment he stepped foot back on Sabaody but you keep denying it.

 

[Chocolatemuppet]

Word, all those bruises, blood loss, knots on Luffy's face, and him screaming in pain implies Katakuri's ap was ass.

Luffy wasn't damage.... He had a makeup artist come in mid fight and jazz him up a bit for dramatic effect.

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Before that, genius.

If a three year old hit me in the face around 500 times yeah it would start to hurt

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

No, it is not growth, it is called recovered to a better condition.
You wish it is growth, it isnt unless it is specifically something new.
He literally was this strong the moment he stepped foot back on Sabaody but you keep denying it.

training with enma ?
that is false

if he is going to do more than the scar on kaido like you guys say he will
he would have to be even stronger than he was on the roof.
recovery is not enough.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

so you think Zoro was lying with Asura being his limit? No it would do less damage. It would probably not even scar him.

 

[nik87]

training with enma ?
that is false

if he is going to do more than the scar on kaido like you guys say he will
he would have to be even stronger than he was on the roof.
recovery is not enough.

You keep posting that pic as if it would help you prove what changed about Zoro.
No, he will simply recover haki and heal some of the injuries and kill Kaido.
He doesnt need growth for it. It isnt excluded that it happens but only IF it actually happens.
Black blade or whatever, not wishful thinking you guys keep throwing around.

so you think Zoro was lying with Asura being his limit? No it would do less damage. It would probably not even scar him.

Who said that he was lying?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

You keep posting that pic as if it would help you prove what changed about Zoro.
No, he will simply recover haki and heal some of the injuries and kill Kaido.
He doesnt need growth for it. It isnt excluded that it happens but only IF it actually happens.
Black blade or whatever, not wishful thinking you guys keep throwing around.

Who said that he was lying?

nik mate .....
zoro literally tells us he would be even stronger after training and getting used to it.

 

[nik87]

nik mate .....
zoro literally tells us he would be even stronger after training and getting used to it.

Yes, yes... Just like Luffy is stronger from Kairoseku training except that he isnt.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Yes, yes... Just like Luffy is stronger from Kairoseku training except that he isnt.

result of kairoseki training

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make no mistake what he learned in udon is what he applied to coc as well. things become easier when you have the basics down

 

[nik87]

result of kairoseki training

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make no mistake what he learned in udon is what he applied to coc as well. things become easier when you have the basics down

That is not result of Kairoseku training, lmao. That is result of haki flow.

 

[zzShinichi]

Flying Dragon Blaze, while is strong on its own, is clearly not Zoro's strongést move. That attack would've hurt Kaidou, probably more than any attack he took so far at that point. But I doubt it's as strong as Asura, and I doubt it will leave a scar.
The importance of Flying Dragon Blaze is its symbolism. Like through all the series, counting Monsters, we have only seen that stance 3 times. 1 from Ryuma who slayed a dragon with it, 1 from Zoro who beat the same Ryumaa's corpse with it, 1 also from Zoro who tried to attack Kaidou, also a dragon. And to me, that's the most important thing.

 

[Finalbeta]

Enma is most likely merely a training tool:

Zoro whilst attempting to tame Enma said: "Give it back to me" obviously referring to his general energy and also haki after his arm had shrunk in size. However I believe it's extensively unlikely that Enma is capable to permanently store these even if the user wished to, and eventually the energy would be converted to another form, and regardless Oden's arms were normal before he died. Kaido talks about presence, not even haki, and swords are living objects canonically, eventually Enma simply stored his memories, but that has to be proven later on.

Also I believe that the black blade is decidedly not about storing haki in the sword, but eventually render it particularly hard without storing it, since Zoro failed to cut up Monet.

And considering the fuss Big Mom pulled, that attack was presumably extensively dangerous yes.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

That is not result of Kairoseku training, lmao. That is result of haki flow.

lmao
dont tell me you are equating the two

well i cant measure how much he got stronger by after wearing the cuffs , he didnt fight kaido with only seastone training.
screw you nik
i give up

 

[nik87]

lmao
dont tell me you are equating the two

well i cant measure how much he got stronger by after wearing the cuffs , he didnt fight kaido with only seastone training.
screw you nik
i give up

I am not, you are.
Kairoseki is buffing up physicalities, Haki flow is a separate matter.
The only difference we see is thanks to haki flow.
No difference in physicalities, the same shit with Zoro, no difference.
That's why I keep telling you to not jump the gun before you have something tangible.

 

[Krusher1357]

Honestly im on the fence for this one. The fear both yonkou showed has me wondering what the fuck the potential of this move was. Almost wanna say it couldve outright just fucking killed kaido

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But Kaido wasn't feeling the pain. If my arm got hit by a wire and it leave a scar but I don't feel anything, that's not hurting.

Uhhh, groaning in pain whilst shaking isnt hurting? Well colour me impressed

 

[NAMELESS]

That is not result of Kairoseku training, lmao. That is result of haki flow.

For luffy to pull of red hawk in G3 means he improved his strenght/speed(g3 is fast enough to produce fire)!
Flow/Barrier+Penetration Haki is what made the attack hurt Kaido!Fire is produced by high speed!

 

[bennbeckman]

To help answer this, the real question is, was Zoro's Asura he used vs kaido his strongest or would Zoro's asura been stronger had he been 100%

If it's the former then the answer is no

If it's the latter then it's a very debateable topic