General & Others It is impossible for Big Mom to win
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Luffy saying things has nothing to do with the current plot. Luffy didn't plan on Big Mom following him to Wano. Oda writes these characters as if they don't know the future, hence why when he talks about them, he makes it seem like they have minds of their own when they act on things.
We were never going back to WCI anyway, and that WAS also part of Luffy's statment about defeating her. Again, you guys are getting hung up on the fact that he's literallty showing BMs upper limit here. There's nothing left to be surprised about anymore, because now she's exhausted and has been fighting seriously. There's zero anticipation are for Luffy to fight her anymore
We were never going back to WCI anyway, and that WAS also part of Luffy's statment about defeating her. Again, you guys are getting hung up on the fact that he's literallty showing BMs upper limit here. There's nothing left to be surprised about anymore, because now she's exhausted and has been fighting seriously. There's zero anticipation are for Luffy to fight her anymore
2-3 chapters of what though? Linlin wrecking Law and Kidd and both holding on to stop her from going to the roof?
Law & Kidd were completely decimated this chapter and their prime focus right now is to stop Linlin from going to the roof. The dynamic of this fight has completely shifted from "defeating Linlin" to "persevering till Luffy's fight finishes"
And yes he keeps drawing them to get up in order to stall Linlin lol. I don't think they are gonna lose. Doesn't really make any sense but I also don't think they defeat Linlin.
Law & Kidd were completely decimated this chapter and their prime focus right now is to stop Linlin from going to the roof. The dynamic of this fight has completely shifted from "defeating Linlin" to "persevering till Luffy's fight finishes"
And yes he keeps drawing them to get up in order to stall Linlin lol. I don't think they are gonna lose. Doesn't really make any sense but I also don't think they defeat Linlin.
It's incredible, Oda drew Big Mom heavily huffing and stating that she's "beat" AND still have Kid and Law get up with Kid blatantly telling her that the idea of emperors being invicible make him laugh and people are still not seeing the obvious. It's over for her as an antagonist. She lost that big boss aura.
she's literally more roughed up than Kaido than in the last chapter, but decimated alright lol
she's literally more roughed up than Kaido than in the last chapter, but decimated alright lol
Luffy also said he came to wano to beat kaido, Linlin, and orochi
obviously Luffy doesn’t care about the latter two so he doesn’t literally want to fight them.
kid and law are beating Linlin for Luffy, which is what kid’s line about “fighting for another purpose” means. He not only wants to beat linlin for himself, he wants to do it to help Luffy beat kaido
obviously Luffy doesn’t care about the latter two so he doesn’t literally want to fight them.
kid and law are beating Linlin for Luffy, which is what kid’s line about “fighting for another purpose” means. He not only wants to beat linlin for himself, he wants to do it to help Luffy beat kaido
Just a reminder.
how it would shit on the entire subplot of linlin allying with kaido ?
how it would literally destroy the purpose kid and law serve as being Luffy’s rivals?
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Linlin is already exhausted, there’s absolutely no reason why they shouldn’t win
Eh, we act like characters can't grow out of sheer desperation. It's naive to think the fight is gonna flow exactly the same way the next 1, 2 or 3 chapters. The dynamic WILL change. Just like it did for Sanji, Zoro and Luffy and any other fight.
Kid also literally has a confirmed line about him having more up his sleeve when it comes to awakening. Nothing really has changed here.
Kid also literally has a confirmed line about him having more up his sleeve when it comes to awakening. Nothing really has changed here.
I don't disagree with with the bolded bit but the flow of the battle also has to be going in the direction which isn't the case for the fight atm imo. Right now the motivation behind Law & Kidd v Linlin is a lot more similar to Yamato v Kaido than it is any of the M3 fights except we actually got quite a bit of progression for Yamato in that fight but well we can agree to disagree on this.
Best analysis, my guess is they hurt her enough that she will have enough of fighting, or outside force is gonna intervene.
Also kind of depends on whether Oda wants to do a Crocodile, meaning everything is over completely after Kaidou is beaten, or a Lucci, meaning danger exists to a certain extent.
If it´s the former, BM getting beaten is much more likely, or at least to the degree of leaving, if it´s the latter, she could be the danger.
Though we also have CP-0, and WG ships apparently going to Wa No.
Also kind of depends on whether Oda wants to do a Crocodile, meaning everything is over completely after Kaidou is beaten, or a Lucci, meaning danger exists to a certain extent.
If it´s the former, BM getting beaten is much more likely, or at least to the degree of leaving, if it´s the latter, she could be the danger.
Though we also have CP-0, and WG ships apparently going to Wa No.
The thing about all of this is they gave Big Mom a Vs Chapter. In all indications, someone has always lost within a reasonable time frame after said Vs chapter. There is one example where Luffy (vs Lucci) lasted 10 chapters after the Vs chapter, but in almost all cases in Wano, they end the chapter of, or the chapter after when specified. Like if we follow this. It's most certainly ending soon, 1 to 3 chapters potentially.
That's why this fight is so peculiar, because in all cases, someone loses, and in many instances this arc (namely chapter 1029) its been basically foretold she's going to lose.
I really dislike the idea of giving any character special treatment this way, so tbh i dont see Big Mom being handled any different than any other villain this arc, including Kaido
That's why this fight is so peculiar, because in all cases, someone loses, and in many instances this arc (namely chapter 1029) its been basically foretold she's going to lose.
I really dislike the idea of giving any character special treatment this way, so tbh i dont see Big Mom being handled any different than any other villain this arc, including Kaido
Depends on what your time frame is, if it´s just Wa No, sure, but it´s not a big enough to see it as rule, especially since Big Mom is not a F6 or commander, meaning important enough to have a different conclusion.
And outside of Wa No, there have been vs titles without conclusion, or someone else beats one of the participants, and so forth, whether it´s dog vs cat, luffy vs sanji, sabo vs Fuji, and so forth. Of course these are not within the context of the main fights of an arc, but past examples also always only included the Strawhats in the arc vs chapters, and whether it applies to these guys as well, we will see, for me at least not conclusive.
1002 was Yonkou vs New Generation, technically that fight is still on-going, or at least went on until Luffy fell down from Onigashima.
Personally, i wish she would get defeated, i am over Big Mom long ago, just don´t see that it has to be happen from the current setup, and arguing Law and Kid would be treated like Strawhats does not work since at least Dressrosa in which Law had all the arguments on his side to beat Doflamingo considering the baggage, yet turned into a cheerleader for Luffy.
And outside of Wa No, there have been vs titles without conclusion, or someone else beats one of the participants, and so forth, whether it´s dog vs cat, luffy vs sanji, sabo vs Fuji, and so forth. Of course these are not within the context of the main fights of an arc, but past examples also always only included the Strawhats in the arc vs chapters, and whether it applies to these guys as well, we will see, for me at least not conclusive.
1002 was Yonkou vs New Generation, technically that fight is still on-going, or at least went on until Luffy fell down from Onigashima.
Personally, i wish she would get defeated, i am over Big Mom long ago, just don´t see that it has to be happen from the current setup, and arguing Law and Kid would be treated like Strawhats does not work since at least Dressrosa in which Law had all the arguments on his side to beat Doflamingo considering the baggage, yet turned into a cheerleader for Luffy.
Yeah but the Calamities were treated the exact same way.
I think everyone has this weird Stockholm situation with Big Mom losing. Like, she's just another villain destined to lose. And in all cases, villains typically are paired against one character/characters and lose. In this case it's Kid and Law, and has been set up for it.
It was very obvious Law wasn't beating Doflamingo. There is a massive difference between Luffy fighting the main villain and supporting characters losing against them and getting secondary villains. This is exactly what happened with Kaido. Law and Zoro left the roof and fought other battles while Luffy matched with Kaido.
People don't like to admit it, but Big Mom is a secondary villain now, not the main villain of Wano.
I think everyone has this weird Stockholm situation with Big Mom losing. Like, she's just another villain destined to lose. And in all cases, villains typically are paired against one character/characters and lose. In this case it's Kid and Law, and has been set up for it.
It was very obvious Law wasn't beating Doflamingo. There is a massive difference between Luffy fighting the main villain and supporting characters losing against them and getting secondary villains. This is exactly what happened with Kaido. Law and Zoro left the roof and fought other battles while Luffy matched with Kaido.
People don't like to admit it, but Big Mom is a secondary villain now, not the main villain of Wano.
She is still a Yonko and got fleeced out of being the main villain in her own arc.... I genuinely see no way she loses assuming Kaido does (which is obvious). If Big Meme flops after this fight, all yonkos should be considered frauds and the only true top tier should be Mihawk.
Cannot use this as an argument, as One Piece is mortally stupid with fights. Exhaustion is just made up so that fights look like there is a comeback, when in reality that character would've stayed fighting for 50 more chapters.
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Cannot use this as an argument, as One Piece is mortally stupid with fights. Exhaustion is just made up so that fights look like there is a comeback, when in reality that character would've stayed fighting for 50 more chapters.