Powers & Abilities Lets settle this once and for all: was Kaido awakened or not???
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Oda made it ambiguous. One argument against the idea of him being awakened is his mind not having caught up to the power, due to Kaido's violent nature being contradictory to the nature of Azure Dragons, which represent benevolence (someone made a thread about this).
Though Kaido may have mimicked awakening with Shuron Hakke.
Though Kaido may have mimicked awakening with Shuron Hakke.
During his rooftop fight with goofy, we witnessed kaido use not 1, not 2, not 3, but FOUR zoan forms:
Dragon form:
Hybrid form:
Whatever this is where kaido has a significant difference on his face:
Flaming dragon:
Ok, we all know this since we read the manga, but whats the goal here???
I see a lot of people undermining luffy's achievments( to the point of comparing him to his underling whose greatest feat revolves around using all his might to give kaido a meaningless wound hahahahahha) saying that kaido was tired after all his battles, but was he rlly?, lets see:
He got jumped by scabbards that although using ryou were only able to give superficial harm with minimal pain on him:
He got surprised due to oden flashbacks, but quickly realized he was just on schizo time and oden was dead.
On this exchange, something very important was stated: YOU CAN'T EFFECTIVELY DAMAGE KAIDO WITHOUT ACOC.
Lets keep going:
Supernovas fight:
Kid attacking kaido without ACoC, result? No damage taken
Law doing the same:
A few screams here and there cause kaido is a drama queen, but no damage taken either.
Enma giving flashbacks to kaido with guess what? No significant damage:
First attack that actually manage to hit kaido and make him go from 100% to 99,9% health, ACoC asura, first time zoro used ACoC even tho he didnt even know what it was:
First attack that actually damaged him: luffy ACoC punch:
Luffy forces kaido to DODGE:
The only actual fight that kaido had was against LUFFY, the one who did all significant damage was LUFFY, The one who beat him to the ground was LUFFY.
Kaido's clouds were weakening because of the damage caused by LUFFY, claiming that he didnt deserve to win is as ridiculous as it gets.
If luffy died on 3rd round, kaido would kill EVERY MEMBER OF THE ALLIANCE.
Now that we got this out the way, lets focus on his awakening:
Kaido has had his fruit for, at very least, 25-30 years and he KNOWS how and what awakening is:
During kaido drunken transformation, luffy talked about kaido haki and strength improving, similar to how luffy haki and strength improved on gear 5.
Kaido difference from hybrid to drunken hybrid:
So you want me to believe that a man who had this fruit for minimamente 2 decades and a half, knows what it means to awaken his fruit, has been on countless battles and got a haki augment by transforming to another zoan form isn't awakened??? This is the best fruit in the series then because being able to gather all this PRIOR to awakening is insane, not to mention how he can use fire, thunder and wind as well.
Okay, lets say that drunken hybrid isnt awakening, how can you explain Blazing bagua?
Kaido's last attack, one where he engages head on with his whole body on not only Fire, but MAGMA and burns everything on his path(supposed to at least).
So kaido has 4 forms and control over 5 elements( fire, thunder, magma, wind and clouds) without even being awakened????
If i was teach, i would be swimmimg in the Magma pool trying to get his fruit because thats the best zoan in the series lol.
Dragon form:
Hybrid form:
Whatever this is where kaido has a significant difference on his face:
Flaming dragon:
Ok, we all know this since we read the manga, but whats the goal here???
I see a lot of people undermining luffy's achievments( to the point of comparing him to his underling whose greatest feat revolves around using all his might to give kaido a meaningless wound hahahahahha) saying that kaido was tired after all his battles, but was he rlly?, lets see:
He got jumped by scabbards that although using ryou were only able to give superficial harm with minimal pain on him:
He got surprised due to oden flashbacks, but quickly realized he was just on schizo time and oden was dead.
On this exchange, something very important was stated: YOU CAN'T EFFECTIVELY DAMAGE KAIDO WITHOUT ACOC.
Lets keep going:
Supernovas fight:
Kid attacking kaido without ACoC, result? No damage taken
Law doing the same:
A few screams here and there cause kaido is a drama queen, but no damage taken either.
Enma giving flashbacks to kaido with guess what? No significant damage:
First attack that actually manage to hit kaido and make him go from 100% to 99,9% health, ACoC asura, first time zoro used ACoC even tho he didnt even know what it was:
First attack that actually damaged him: luffy ACoC punch:
Luffy forces kaido to DODGE:
The only actual fight that kaido had was against LUFFY, the one who did all significant damage was LUFFY, The one who beat him to the ground was LUFFY.
Kaido's clouds were weakening because of the damage caused by LUFFY, claiming that he didnt deserve to win is as ridiculous as it gets.
If luffy died on 3rd round, kaido would kill EVERY MEMBER OF THE ALLIANCE.
Now that we got this out the way, lets focus on his awakening:
Kaido has had his fruit for, at very least, 25-30 years and he KNOWS how and what awakening is:
During kaido drunken transformation, luffy talked about kaido haki and strength improving, similar to how luffy haki and strength improved on gear 5.
Kaido difference from hybrid to drunken hybrid:
So you want me to believe that a man who had this fruit for minimamente 2 decades and a half, knows what it means to awaken his fruit, has been on countless battles and got a haki augment by transforming to another zoan form isn't awakened??? This is the best fruit in the series then because being able to gather all this PRIOR to awakening is insane, not to mention how he can use fire, thunder and wind as well.
Okay, lets say that drunken hybrid isnt awakening, how can you explain Blazing bagua?
Kaido's last attack, one where he engages head on with his whole body on not only Fire, but MAGMA and burns everything on his path(supposed to at least).
So kaido has 4 forms and control over 5 elements( fire, thunder, magma, wind and clouds) without even being awakened????
If i was teach, i would be swimmimg in the Magma pool trying to get his fruit because thats the best zoan in the series lol.
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If Kaido were awakened he would have said so.
A third party would have pointed it out.
The author would’ve added a note or there would be a text box stating so.
People coping and making headcanons over this still is just sad. Just accept not everybody needs to have the exact same arsenal. Kaido was the strongest without it, that should be enough
A third party would have pointed it out.
The author would’ve added a note or there would be a text box stating so.
People coping and making headcanons over this still is just sad. Just accept not everybody needs to have the exact same arsenal. Kaido was the strongest without it, that should be enough
Again super narrow minded.. Oda always leave things open ended and in mysteries.. You need to use your brain to fill the gaps..
Oda actually indirectly mentioned it when Kaido knew and spoke about what Awakening was to Luffy.. In general, people don't blab of something they know nothing about..
Most logical train of thought is Kaido can not use it because he loses Conciousness and goes completely Berserk because of his Oni race..
Oda actually indirectly mentioned it when Kaido knew and spoke about what Awakening was to Luffy.. In general, people don't blab of something they know nothing about..
Most logical train of thought is Kaido can not use it because he loses Conciousness and goes completely Berserk because of his Oni race..