Powers & Abilities Luffy is not a talented or skilled fighter

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Foul Legacy

#30
You want us to believe no one beside Luffy, Shanks Kaido and Kata had a 12hrs battle
Because they are the only FS users confirmed

BM don't, Kizaru don't
Argue Oda lol. Not me.
Years of training will amount to nothing compared Haki blooms mid battle.
Nor Bigmam neither Kizaru are Haki focussed Character. Both straight up Abuses their DF prowess and are top tier with that onli.
They might not even consider using it given it's easy counter lol.
 
#31
Luffy literally died.. What more do you want ?
He was brought back the very next chapter

None of Luffy's losses in act 3 had any real consequence apart from making Luffy arbitrarily stronger

There was never a serious moment where it actually seemed like Kaido could win

Luffy "dies" in ch 1043, but we see him go G5 in the last panel of that chapter.
 
#33
Argue Oda lol. Not me.
Years of training will amount to nothing compared Haki blooms mid battle.
Nor Bigmam neither Kizaru are Haki focussed Character. Both straight up Abuses their DF prowess and are top tier with that onli.
They might not even consider using it given it's easy counter lol.
You completely missed the point.
If Haki blooms were the only factor BM or Kizaru and even Oden should have maxed Out all hakis unless you believe they never had intense fights
 
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Foul Legacy

#34
You completely missed the point.
If Haki blooms were the only factor BM or Kizaru and even Oden should have maxed Out all hakis unless you believe they never had intense fights
Maybe not observation haki wise.
Luffy haki grew two ways during the battle.
First being his base haki , where first he was in pain clashing with katakuri and later he wasn't.
Second being way too focussed on observation haki.
Bigmam and kizaru probably had their own haki blooms , "If" abused haki like these people here. They are more of DF centric users instead of Haki.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#36
Why you always come up bad takes? Lol


Luffy is actually a fighting genius. We have seen many instances when he adapted himself amidst fights to come out ways to fight.

And, Rayleigh teaching haki to luffy doesn't negate the fact that luffy already subconsciously awakened it before TS, which Kidd and law didn't.


Heck, he came up with Gear 2 seeing CP9.

He came up with Gear 4 especially Kong gun seeing animals during his TS training.



And, don't put Bonney turning Nika as same as G5. Bonney did nothing but just imagined seeing Luffy and her fruit on it's own grants that ability.
 
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#37
Luffy had the greatest fruit in the verse this whole time
Factually correct.
Bonney who is only 12 years old (with regular paramecia) has learned gear 5 in a few minutes
Bonney can make a cheap immitation of anything. Its not the real thing though.
mythical god fruit is what made luffy outlast him
This part is a bit iffy.
We saw Nika get bodied and get up like nothing happened. It really does make it look like Luffys endurance could be enhance by his fruit.
Not conclusive yet, but possible.
luffy learned haki was because he had the pirate kings right hand to spoonfeed it to him
You still need to have an inherent ability. Rayleigh saw something in Luffy. Ray does not go arround teaching anybody.
I still agree on the sentiment that he got all his haki knowledge easily compared to other WG, except Zoro. Same thing for him.
Also the best teaching is not worth shit if you can not make use of it. A good teacher makes a difference, but the student still needs to be able to apply what was being taught.
Why is this not in the battledome>?
Why would it be? Its a general statement about Luffy and nothing in direct relation to other characters. Its not even about power level, really.

Luffy is suffering from the same stuff as many shonen MCs. Eventually they turn out to be the chosen ones and they accomplishments to that point become invalidated.

Goku revealed to be a Sayajin.
Luffy is Nika reborn and even has his fruit.
Naruto had a fox spirit injected after birth and is also the descendant of a god.
Asta was born without mana. Poor baby. Turns out thats crazy strong.

Nothing new.
 
#40
"Luffy has a poor fruit but his skill makes it good". That's what people used to say. Now we know it's actually the complete opposite. Luffy had the greatest fruit in the verse this whole time, however his lack of skill is the reason it took so long for him to get strong. This arc proves it. Bonney who is only 12 years old (with regular paramecia) has learned gear 5 in a few minutes, while luffy took years, going through rubbish "gears" which are basically failure attempts of him trying to master the fruit. Even katakuri with his rice cake fruit was better than luffy, the tankiness from the mythical god fruit is what made luffy outlast him, just like with every opponent luffy has battled with inferior fruits

Luffy is not talented in haki either. Only reason luffy learned haki was because he had the pirate kings right hand to spoonfeed it to him, while the rest of the worst generation had to learn it themselves. "Acoc" he only knows because he learned flow from hyogoro. Without him, he wouldnt have that either. It took him near death to awaken the fruit, while kid and law already had it. No doubt if kid, law or bonney had luffys fruit and rayleigh training, they would have easily become pirate king already.
Y'all don't understand that it takes a lot to awaken the Nika fruit. Not every person that eats the fruit becomes Nika or is the second Joyboy. And stop drawing half baked conclusions before we get to see more of Bonney's Nika form.
 
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