Yes, he caught my attention because Nat brought him in the spotlight, and I wanted to know why . The nuance here is that Gambit was not there when Nat voted for him, and I wanted to see if he would change his gameplay after the vote. He didn't (at the time I wrote my read, before I saw the NW argument), and this is why I voted.
I'll be honest, I really don't like making posts just for the sake of giving reads. Those read lists, ultimately never do anything, just look at the others that have done that. What have those reads done? Nothing. If you wanna see who I suspect and town read, then you just gotta read my posts. I make it clear who I'm liking and who I ain't. So it's just redundant to make a read list.
See, I don't like such posts. You know why? Because giving plain warning doesn't serve any purpose. One has to build pressure and pressure vote is really good way to do bring activity on track and not plain warning.
Not to mention, such methods are usually adopted by Scums to indicate that they are pissed as townie yet remaining low key by not voting anyone because putting vote highlights a player.
Sera : I did see Yo tan wa sus on him ,@Yo Tan Wa you can see his last post clearly mentioned he was internet problem .
Though i want genuine reason from @Yo Tan Wa why he thinks Serphoneix is scumming . Though Jew 's anger is genuine however i think sara clearing him sure needs to be looked into but so far even i have null reads on Jew 's post .
However given things he showed concern when Yo sussed him using the word "alarmed " as such , he could have ignored those claims as well but i want @ yo tan wa proper reason this is like your mind guess atm .
Hope you are not doing spite voting here like oddjutsu does it NF .
He has been less active compared to his last game , but over all i think he has opinion of what i had about Jew as well .
I need to see more of him null as of now need to see more of his read . Paasive play as of now not in his ususla scumhunt mode .
@Finalbeta
- I need to look into Zara , Reborn stuff you have mentioned .
Also its interesting you said TAC has framed you when he mentioned about your inactivity int he game ? Also what do you think of sera / Yo feud you have not stated much on it .
Other than that i did see you were inactive in the game compared to your Active town mode maybe thats what @TheAncientCenturionmight have seen .
TAC - Well other than his naruto related post , other than that you caught on with Jew and beta in the game , your analysis on Jew was ] decently read but you were to caught up with players sussing you . No detail reads about anyone .
Well i agree with your analysis on beta and his reaction and playstyle didnt seem similar to his other games .
See your reads are just plain, basic and nothing concrete. Anyone can give such reads.
I haven't see you boldly pushingany case?
Last game when you sussed me you literally kept on asking me about giving reads but this game you are looking passive with all these reads. There is no push from you.
You are just commenting on players and without coming into highlight.
Not sure you seem to overreact with your view on reborn , the guy sus almost every one in the game .
I m okay with any discussion on game mechanics but you got too involved with Natalijia voting you about Game mechanics . Its secondary matter who votes you but other than your inactivity and your lack of reads about others players could potentially see you as scummy .
I said everything about Gambit i think he needs to take time out and think a while . Mafia can lead to spit lynch and dont even mention i was receiving end in NF this is not new for me .
okay i missed few player i need to read reborn , zara , melon and rest i missed in this game .
No lynch is not option . I hope everyone votes in .
Regarding cobra i have to see , considering he is newb i really want him to make post n his reads he has already played a game so i think he knows what he is doing here .
I don't know what to think of Cobra. Quite frankly, he's completely off-meta. Not even playing anywhere near close to the game he's been town in. While he was quiet, he was still intuitive and would make some good points or try to. Here, he's not even trying to game solve. Not one bit. He's making posts that don't make sense.
But, I can't help but think to myself how can someone be so blatantly apathetic to the game be scum? Like damn.
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That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to lynch him. Too off the mark to let him go.
But I do have other targets I'd rather pursue. Yo Tan Wa is one.
Reborn: is being very aggressive going through the list of players asking everyone it’s unlikely a scum keeps pushing other scums to appear town
jew d boy: he seemed desperately trying to look town posting later that he had no intention of lynching anyone despite what he posted was pretty clear he wanted to lynch either tac or zara when he was questioned he backed off
Trismegistus: is being a follower it’s expected as it’s her/his first game i can’t say whether she’s town or not
tac:he was posting a lot of fluff and wasn’t really contributing much to the discussion as he normally does
finalbeta: is the usual distant from everyone even if he’s town he’s not acting like one
yo tan wa: voting sera when sera didn’t say anything is very weird what’s more weirder is how he acted about it if he’s scum then that was a bad play
nat: isn’t doing anything note worthy which is kinda weird
See, I don't like such posts. You know why? Because giving plain warning doesn't serve any purpose. One has to build pressure and pressure vote is really good way to do bring activity on track and not plain warning.
Not to mention, such methods are usually adopted by Scums to indicate that they are pissed as townie yet remaining low key by not voting anyone because putting vote highlights a player.
So I asked you a question regarding it.
This is the question you didn't reply to.
Why not put a vote?
Another post which I didn't like.
You gave reads on three players here and all are meh and looks too balanced.
Also, you raise a bit alarm on Sera but I didn't see following anything on him later on. Why?
See your reads are just plain, basic and nothing concrete. Anyone can give such reads.
I haven't see you boldly pushingany case?
Last game when you sussed me you literally kept on asking me about giving reads but this game you are looking passive with all these reads. There is no push from you.
You are just commenting on players and without coming into highlight.
Tell me your detail reads on everyone?
Here you raised slight sus on Gambit for being passive.
Here you clearly highlights that the way gambit played (passive, talking about mechanics, over reaction and inactivity) looks scummy.
But then what made you think that someone playing like a potentially scum as per your own thoughts need a time out and need to think for a while?
Why you cleared him so easily? Why not he got included into your scum list? Why I didn't see any follow up from you in this regard?
You kept on sussing Cobra(I noticed two or three posts) for being inactive but I haven't seen you following anything on him.
This is too passive gameplay.
And, if I look at your posts then you are simply commenting. What's holding you back?
I ll dissect your comment answering every quote of you
Yep they were to plain off reads and i ll agree with you my play was complete lazy . Partly my fauly not committed like my earlier one.
Part with fluff read i wanted game to focus on game than the anime talk .
Regarding TAC vs beta - I could have made more decent push on TAC for his fluffs but making him vs beta he diverted the game away from him. I focused too much on betas action.
Regarding my view on Gambit - Yes he was focused too much on didvussion on mechanics so i sussed him.
Regarding views on cobra - I had no follow up because i logged out after i vote on Yo .
I did promise players to have read on you meleon ,zara failed to do it because i way too focused on Gambits play on day 1 .
About the time out thing i saw they were heated up so i told him to calm down . Other than that yhere is no need to analyse too much into it.
Other than not holding back its just me playing lazy townie i am on same page .
Regarding TAC vs beta - I could have made more decent push on TAC for his fluffs but making him vs beta he diverted the game away from him. I focused too much on betas action.
Regarding my view on Gambit - Yes he was focused too much on didvussion on mechanics so i sussed him.
Regarding views on cobra - I had no follow up because i logged out after i vote on Yo .
I did promise players to have read on you meleon ,zara failed to do it because i way too focused on Gambits play on day 1 .
TAC - Well other than his naruto related post , other than that you caught on with Jew and beta in the game , your analysis on Jew was ] decently read but you were to caught up with players sussing you . No detail reads about anyone .
Well i agree with your analysis on beta and his reaction and playstyle didnt seem similar to his other games .
I said everything about Gambit i think he needs to take time out and think a while . Mafia can lead to spit lynch and dont even mention i was receiving end in NF this is not new for me .
Like i said , i am "lazy" town , so give me time to read my analysis . Please dig deep why i am quoting about and hopefully rest of town does . I am here to help town win there is no doubt about it .
@Reborn your other quote on Gambit i felt he got way too heated so i told him to cool down other than its off topic you are focusing way too much on that quote . So basically i still had sus on Gambit i ll read their view this phase and anything off about him itll be in my reads .
The TAC post thats my pov the initial part of his game were all fluff then he dragged Beta about their not in their usual play , so thats what i wrote not biggy again my reads are "sloppy" and "lazy " about my analysis on TAC .
What do you think Neutral knew that made him a target? Gambit has posited that someone took him out to set the latter up, curious how your opinion meshes with that.
Are you coming in to defend one of the two?
I lined down the possibilities, if i exactly remembered who NW sussed wouldn't i have written that down in the post itself Jew?
Saying Tac is helpful and cooperative isn't complimenting him, That Tac is known for being Scum.
I had reread the thread at that point and noticed this thing about Tac and pointed it out.
Yeah...if YTW was truly fishing for reactions like he claimed (and admitting that is weird in itself), he should have held the line. Copping to what he did isn’t damning by itself, but the nascent buddy-buddy dynamic between proven scum TAC and suspicious YTW certainly casts it in a different light. Think I’m still sussing Cobra harder, but I’d like to hear what Yo has to say.
@Yo Tan Wa stated enough reason your llay looked way too scummy , whats your status on sera . Also i have quoted you in the possible place so its forum problem or check your settings not my fault
I couldn't chck all notifications n tags last day phase, when i arrived barely 40 mins were remaining and i decided to go through the pages fast. Read what looked imp and not rest.
I had called off my vote on him last day phase, and hence asked you to go through all my posts if you sus me, i think there's enough for a townie to town read me, i dont expect scum to do that.
Are you coming in to defend one of the two?
I lined down the possibilities, if i exactly remembered who NW sussed wouldn't i have written that down in the post itself Jew?
Are you sussing me for sussing Tac or misunderstanding my post?
Saying Tac is helpful and cooperative isn't complimenting him, That Tac is known for being Scum.
I had reread the thread at that point and noticed this thing about Tac and pointed it out.
You have been Sneaky this game Melon, if you sus me come out at me. 😏
First don't let me scum hunt and now i should have held the line.
Anyway i had realised the odds were against me, and it would hurt me more in the long run.
Not defending anyone, pointing out similar trains of thought. Gambit felt like mafia could be setting him up by taking Neutral out after they clashed, and you’re saying he may have been onto something...to me, that says that Gambit could be trying to deflect because the optics look bad, and you’re implying that Neutral was sniffing him out. Could be that these things are connected.
The post of yours that you quoted is different from the one I had an issue with, are you implying that you were going to take a closer look at TAC? Not sure why you wanted to bring that particular post to my attention.
Fair point, I guess I did jump on you for the Sera thing...but you even admitted you should have picked a more sensible target, someone who had posted. This tells me you chose Sera specifically without really parsing the thread, and I found that odd yesterday especially after your admission. You’ve just been giving off aggressive vibes this whole round, but seem to have affected a slightly kinder touch while talking to TAC (even that other post you brought up seems vaguely deferential to me).
You seem very relaxed this game. What's wierd is that you are using too many emojis in your posts and laughing for no reason which is quite unlike your Townie self.
It looks quite forced to me as if you are trying to too hard to blend with townies
Just few instances (there are quite a lot like this)
Looool I indeed don't like this mass jump on Gambit, especially coming from Melon this late. It sounds like you went with what the majority was thinking at this point, Melon. Feels very scummy.
I indeed don't like this mass jump on Gambit, especially coming from Melon this late. It sounds like you went with what the majority was thinking at this point, Melon. Feels very scummy.
But you sussed melon when she casted vote on Gambit and accused her of jumping on wagon? Can't she have the same reads like you? Interestingly, you talk about majority thinking and mass jump on gambit. But if I remember well, then at that time gambit had only two votes - NW and you. So why you sussed melon for the casting vote on Gambit when you believed he is scum yourself?
It reflects hypocrisy.
Can you give me detail post on what you think about others ?
Like i said , i am "lazy" town , so give me time to read my analysis . Please dig deep why i am quoting about and hopefully rest of town does . I am here to help town win there is no doubt about it .
@Reborn your other quote on Gambit i felt he got way too heated so i told him to cool down other than its off topic you are focusing way too much on that quote . So basically i still had sus on Gambit i ll read their view this phase and anything off about him itll be in my reads .
The TAC post thats my pov the initial part of his game were all fluff then he dragged Beta about their not in their usual play , so thats what i wrote not biggy again my reads are "sloppy" and "lazy " about my analysis on TAC .
The reason she gave is exactly the reason I asked the question.
There was no majority thinking against gambit. There was no mass wagon against him. There were only two votes.
Melon was offline. She came, read the thread and give her reads and sussed Gambit. But nat immediately accused her of jumping on mass wagon and going with majority thinking.
The reason she gave is exactly the reason I asked the question.
There was no majority thinking against gambit. There was no mass wagon against him. There were only two votes.
Melon was offline. She came, read the thread and give her reads and sussed Gambit. But nat immediately accused her of jumping on mass wagon and going with majority thinking.
You said there are no fax here. I'm going to say his anger last day phase sounded genuine to me. What changed was that he started putting effort, maybe not good enough to you, that's fine. He has fallen off for the moment. He could come back depending on his next actions this DP.
These are some reads:
Cobra
He is borderline trolling - he looks awful at the moment. Everyone and their mother talked about this, unless he gets serious soon (really soon), he'll be absolutely nonredeemable and most likely lynched. Marimo's ready, Tris looks like it to, and is on everyone's radar. If he turns out good or bad, I think town will benefit from the lynch.
It's worth looking at the after effects of his lynch. If he's town, then it's one suspect down, and others that have hidden under his shadow can be put in the spotlight. If he's scum, same effect, but town is looking really good with 2/4 scum gone. His lynch seems like a good idea to me.
Fallen
He is often slipping in and out of the game. That doesn't make me feel good, he has to constantly catch up and has a hard time adding anything new. He has also more or less participated. He says he will participate now but has recycled news with Jew, now 2 times this game. Which he should address. @Fallen Prince
Rayan
He has put a little effort but not enough to convince... Anyone really. Including myself. He falls low in the probable townie list and unless he comes up today with some hard work, he has shown himself to be scummy.
Humor me and just pick someone, anyone. If everyone hesitates, there will be no lynch jutsuing to push.
My thoughts haven't changed. Gambit, Zara and Fallen are the targets this Konoha ninja accepts
Not sure what to think of you Rayan (which is why I'm asking for your thoughts), nor Yo.
Dodged this question as far as I have seen. Are you being too careful or are you that confused?
Marimo
I need more from him. He is also low on the town list for me. He likes to talk about mechanics and posts unrelated to solving this game. The only time I have seen contribution from him was when he gave his vote too late. I tried to pick a fight with him, I still am with that lynch. Also my hunch.
Reborn
He is himself. I'll be completely honest, I feel like it will take me a long time to decipher him/his reasons/his posts/his targets for interrogation.
I will say trying to guess how Al would handpick the roles is extremely unconvincing for someone that has never had Al as host. Doesn't convince me at all. Rest of what he said sounds like what I have seen of him before, so neutral at the moment. I want to spend more time looking at what he has done.
Tris
She is somewhat missing but putting in effort, doesn't look like first game scum to me.
Sera
He doesn't act in a suspicious way to me at the moment. His whole bit with Reborn, I'd say he was more convincing. I don't know their past history so I can't comment on reborn adding sera to his list of possible, handpicked by Al, bad roles.
These are exactly my thoughts. In that same quote Reborn says "it's not baseless because you [Sera] never played with all" I explained above why this is not relevant.
Yo Tan Wa
I'm not sure. His act yesterday confirms nothing, anybody would point out it was suspicious.
@Fallen Prince . Did you go through all my posts? My initial start yes was scummy, bt i think there are enough posts for you guys to town read me if you read em.
Reborn and Gambit...I’ve already gotten in trouble for speaking in support of the former, but that’s not the reason why I get a weird vibe from him. He’s being just as active as usual, but something feels off. Gambit also makes me uneasy, but with two scum left, I doubt we’ll have them both causing a scene like that.
Still need to go over everyone else again, but I won’t be able to do that for another five hours or so.
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Also, shit, was Neutral killed at night or after the phase started?! How’d I miss that??
Does he follow up with his reborn "weird vibe"? Not at all. So in the case you forgot, @Jew D. Boy how do you feel about reborn now? He has talked a bit more.
Drag
He works hard but his experience makes me want to stay neutral from the moment.
I disagree on the point of Gambit having done nothing to prove he is good nor bad. When you start a fresh game of mafia, everyone is suspicious. It is by their actions that you can lead conclusions. Many people have developed an opinion on his reactions. You haven't, so does this mean Nat's original lynch is not based on something you consider to tip him over either edge? His reactions to neutral watcher sussing him for the day 1 opinion (I personally don't think this one is)? You have shown Reborn's opinion on Gambit's emotional derailment is not something you are convinced of. I asked you the Nat question because it's the last thing, IIRC, that was on Gambit's case that seems logical to me.
Nat
She is convinced Gambit is bad, and seems like he is nonredeemable to her. A player like cobra I can understand. But why Gambit? Is your hunch really that great? Other than that I haven't seen much stand out from her. An experienced player I am also having a hard time reading and am completely not intimidated by
These are my honest thoughts/hunches from reading the game. I'll be taking a small break for the moment.
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