General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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That role is already reserved for Luffy with his whole "will be PK" spamming.
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@Ravagerblade @Jew D. Boy actually Yamato being creepy, mentally deranged, Oden cosplay or whatever is not an argument for her not joining the crew. It's not like Oda sets the standard for the main crew high. Luffy already accepted a psychopath who feed his own teammate with razor and scissor for lunch. Still accepted a traitor who KOed him and leaving him and the navigator to Big Mom's Enraged Army. If such a person is allowed to join, Yamato who looks like a saint in comparison, is obviously ok to join no matter she drops the whole Oden cosplaying or not.
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@Ravagerblade @Jew D. Boy actually Yamato being creepy, mentally deranged, Oden cosplay or whatever is not an argument for her not joining the crew. It's not like Oda sets the standard for the main crew high. Luffy already accepted a psychopath who feed his own teammate with razor and scissor for lunch. Still accepted a traitor who KOed him and leaving him and the navigator to Big Mom's Enraged Army. If such a person is allowed to join, Yamato who looks like a saint in comparison, is obviously ok to join no matter she drops the whole Oden cosplaying or not.
Yes but if Carrot is among them she will not stand a chance against smoothie. Neither would Nami nor Robin. Sanji refuse to fight women, Jinbei water would ability easily counters. Luffy would have hands full big mom and zoro who know who going fight. It would be kind Yamato vs smoothie fight. Since there two yonko’s children
Very heavy blow for Yamao4nakama. Exactly what I and others predicted would happen is playing out as we speak.
Yamao does all her dumb shit when she's impersonating. That includes claiming that she expects to ride on Luffy's ship. People often spin what she said as saying that she wants to join the crew, but what she actually said is SPEAKING AS KOZUKI ODEN, with that logic, she expects to ride on the ship (Because that would parallel to Oden).
The expectation to ride on Luffy's ship isn't Yamao's, it's her speaking as Kozuki Oden.
Note, in this chapter, we get Yamao speaking as Yamato. An important distinction.
In this moment, Yamato poured out her heart telling Shinobu and Momo about her story, how much she not only admired Oden, but greatly valued them too. In her past, she tried to save Momo but at the time she was powerless to do so. However...Now she has that power to protect him. Yamao isn't just protecting Momo because she was told to, she is fulfilling a duty that she failed to do that day and is now making up for it by pledging her life to Momo.
It should go without saying, but yeah this is a nuke to Yamao's chances of joining the crew. How're you gonna pledge your life to someone, then just up and leave at the end of the arc, leaving them alone when they and their country are still weak and vulnerable. No straw hat got treatment like this. Developing such a new deep connection to an arc centric character. Obviously straw hats have connections to arc characters, but those are pre-established connections. Like Nami and Nojiko, Franky and Iceburg etc.
To make a comparison, this would be like if Franky pledged his life to Paulie and started heavily interacting with him, instead of Usopp, Robin and other straw hats. The only reason Oda would focus on developing such a deep new relationship would be if it would have big future relevance. Which at this point is extremely likely. Yamao is staying on Wano with Momo. Either as a daimyo, retainer or perhaps as another shogun that could co-rule Wano with Momo. Either way, it seems very clear after this chapter that she isn't joining.
Yamao does all her dumb shit when she's impersonating. That includes claiming that she expects to ride on Luffy's ship. People often spin what she said as saying that she wants to join the crew, but what she actually said is SPEAKING AS KOZUKI ODEN, with that logic, she expects to ride on the ship (Because that would parallel to Oden).
The expectation to ride on Luffy's ship isn't Yamao's, it's her speaking as Kozuki Oden.
Note, in this chapter, we get Yamao speaking as Yamato. An important distinction.
In this moment, Yamato poured out her heart telling Shinobu and Momo about her story, how much she not only admired Oden, but greatly valued them too. In her past, she tried to save Momo but at the time she was powerless to do so. However...Now she has that power to protect him. Yamao isn't just protecting Momo because she was told to, she is fulfilling a duty that she failed to do that day and is now making up for it by pledging her life to Momo.
It should go without saying, but yeah this is a nuke to Yamao's chances of joining the crew. How're you gonna pledge your life to someone, then just up and leave at the end of the arc, leaving them alone when they and their country are still weak and vulnerable. No straw hat got treatment like this. Developing such a new deep connection to an arc centric character. Obviously straw hats have connections to arc characters, but those are pre-established connections. Like Nami and Nojiko, Franky and Iceburg etc.
To make a comparison, this would be like if Franky pledged his life to Paulie and started heavily interacting with him, instead of Usopp, Robin and other straw hats. The only reason Oda would focus on developing such a deep new relationship would be if it would have big future relevance. Which at this point is extremely likely. Yamao is staying on Wano with Momo. Either as a daimyo, retainer or perhaps as another shogun that could co-rule Wano with Momo. Either way, it seems very clear after this chapter that she isn't joining.
Reiju = because BM...
Tashigi = because she's fodder compared to Vergo...
I think Sanji trusts not only Usopp but Nami as well... He knows they can work together and believes that they're capable of beating Ulti and P1...
That's exactly why the crew needs a more powerful nakama than Carrot... If there are lots of people who can do that to Luffy, then the weaker his crewmate is, the more likely it is that there are more people more powerful than that nakama...
I'm not saying that they have to consistently recruit ZSJ tier persons, or even better, but they have to recruit more than "just above average" or more than just "a good fighter"... Pedro is a good example... Those kind of standards at the very least... From the looks of it, Carrot is not even half of Pedro's, largely due to a seemingly lack of Haki...
I think I didn't expound the "inconsistency" part clearly, I actually agree with you with that part wherein Carrot is supposed to have at least either CoA or CoO since she's a protege of Pedro... What I find to be a consistency is that Pekoms managed to unlock Haki but Carrot can't when she can master Sulong...
Brook is old enough to feel where to properly use confidence being a former captain so he's not as stubborn as Carrot may be...
I, too, hope that the frog tags along... But I don't think it will make another appearance...
Let's say the crew will get those "juniors" like Shanks, Buggy, Inu, Neko and Bullet (included him for the sake of an example): Ulti, P1, Tama, Carrot, Caribou...
Carrot - Joining helps her collect all kinds of carrots in the NW...
Yamato - Joining helps her surpass the significance of her idol figure to a D clan...
Just like Pauly and Kin'emon, and even Barto...
Actually feels the opposite for me... The recent chapter further solidifies her joining the crew afterwards...
Tashigi = because she's fodder compared to Vergo...
I think Sanji trusts not only Usopp but Nami as well... He knows they can work together and believes that they're capable of beating Ulti and P1...
That's exactly why the crew needs a more powerful nakama than Carrot... If there are lots of people who can do that to Luffy, then the weaker his crewmate is, the more likely it is that there are more people more powerful than that nakama...
I'm not saying that they have to consistently recruit ZSJ tier persons, or even better, but they have to recruit more than "just above average" or more than just "a good fighter"... Pedro is a good example... Those kind of standards at the very least... From the looks of it, Carrot is not even half of Pedro's, largely due to a seemingly lack of Haki...
I don't find it an inconsistency. That's why Jinbe was actually worried if she was trained for it. It wasn't a matter of being surprised if she can do it because all Minks can, but if she could control it since she could potentially turn berserk and attack them if that wasn't the case. Presumably because it takes a long time to master said transformation as hinted at by Pekoms (27 years old), but she can, despite being 15 years old. Her being able to do so is probably foreshadowing how capable Carrot truly is.
Also, I'll never forget the fact she dodged Zoro's slash when she intentionally charged at him.
Hope her floating abilities gets addressed. Not sure if that's a Mink thing or her thing because outside Sulong, the only characters who have shown any levitation abilities so far was Pedro with his rotating tail and Neko when he charged at Jack.
Also, I'll never forget the fact she dodged Zoro's slash when she intentionally charged at him.
Brook is old enough to feel where to properly use confidence being a former captain so he's not as stubborn as Carrot may be...
I, too, hope that the frog tags along... But I don't think it will make another appearance...
Let's say the crew will get those "juniors" like Shanks, Buggy, Inu, Neko and Bullet (included him for the sake of an example): Ulti, P1, Tama, Carrot, Caribou...
Carrot - Joining helps her collect all kinds of carrots in the NW...
Yamato - Joining helps her surpass the significance of her idol figure to a D clan...
Just like Pauly and Kin'emon, and even Barto...
Very heavy blow for Yamao4nakama. Exactly what I and others predicted would happen is playing out as we speak.
Yamao does all her dumb shit when she's impersonating. That includes claiming that she expects to ride on Luffy's ship. People often spin what she said as saying that she wants to join the crew, but what she actually said is SPEAKING AS KOZUKI ODEN, with that logic, she expects to ride on the ship (Because that would parallel to Oden).
The expectation to ride on Luffy's ship isn't Yamao's, it's her speaking as Kozuki Oden.
Note, in this chapter, we get Yamao speaking as Yamato. An important distinction.
In this moment, Yamato poured out her heart telling Shinobu and Momo about her story, how much she not only admired Oden, but greatly valued them too. In her past, she tried to save Momo but at the time she was powerless to do so. However...Now she has that power to protect him. Yamao isn't just protecting Momo because she was told to, she is fulfilling a duty that she failed to do that day and is now making up for it by pledging her life to Momo.
It should go without saying, but yeah this is a nuke to Yamao's chances of joining the crew. How're you gonna pledge your life to someone, then just up and leave at the end of the arc, leaving them alone when they and their country are still weak and vulnerable. No straw hat got treatment like this. Developing such a new deep connection to an arc centric character. Obviously straw hats have connections to arc characters, but those are pre-established connections. Like Nami and Nojiko, Franky and Iceburg etc.
To make a comparison, this would be like if Franky pledged his life to Paulie and started heavily interacting with him, instead of Usopp, Robin and other straw hats. The only reason Oda would focus on developing such a deep new relationship would be if it would have big future relevance. Which at this point is extremely likely. Yamao is staying on Wano with Momo. Either as a daimyo, retainer or perhaps as another shogun that could co-rule Wano with Momo. Either way, it seems very clear after this chapter that she isn't joining.
Yamao does all her dumb shit when she's impersonating. That includes claiming that she expects to ride on Luffy's ship. People often spin what she said as saying that she wants to join the crew, but what she actually said is SPEAKING AS KOZUKI ODEN, with that logic, she expects to ride on the ship (Because that would parallel to Oden).
The expectation to ride on Luffy's ship isn't Yamao's, it's her speaking as Kozuki Oden.
Note, in this chapter, we get Yamao speaking as Yamato. An important distinction.
In this moment, Yamato poured out her heart telling Shinobu and Momo about her story, how much she not only admired Oden, but greatly valued them too. In her past, she tried to save Momo but at the time she was powerless to do so. However...Now she has that power to protect him. Yamao isn't just protecting Momo because she was told to, she is fulfilling a duty that she failed to do that day and is now making up for it by pledging her life to Momo.
It should go without saying, but yeah this is a nuke to Yamao's chances of joining the crew. How're you gonna pledge your life to someone, then just up and leave at the end of the arc, leaving them alone when they and their country are still weak and vulnerable. No straw hat got treatment like this. Developing such a new deep connection to an arc centric character. Obviously straw hats have connections to arc characters, but those are pre-established connections. Like Nami and Nojiko, Franky and Iceburg etc.
To make a comparison, this would be like if Franky pledged his life to Paulie and started heavily interacting with him, instead of Usopp, Robin and other straw hats. The only reason Oda would focus on developing such a deep new relationship would be if it would have big future relevance. Which at this point is extremely likely. Yamao is staying on Wano with Momo. Either as a daimyo, retainer or perhaps as another shogun that could co-rule Wano with Momo. Either way, it seems very clear after this chapter that she isn't joining.
Very heavy blow for Yamao4nakama. Exactly what I and others predicted would happen is playing out as we speak.
Yamao does all her dumb shit when she's impersonating. That includes claiming that she expects to ride on Luffy's ship. People often spin what she said as saying that she wants to join the crew, but what she actually said is SPEAKING AS KOZUKI ODEN, with that logic, she expects to ride on the ship (Because that would parallel to Oden).
The expectation to ride on Luffy's ship isn't Yamao's, it's her speaking as Kozuki Oden.
Note, in this chapter, we get Yamao speaking as Yamato. An important distinction.
In this moment, Yamato poured out her heart telling Shinobu and Momo about her story, how much she not only admired Oden, but greatly valued them too. In her past, she tried to save Momo but at the time she was powerless to do so. However...Now she has that power to protect him. Yamao isn't just protecting Momo because she was told to, she is fulfilling a duty that she failed to do that day and is now making up for it by pledging her life to Momo.
It should go without saying, but yeah this is a nuke to Yamao's chances of joining the crew. How're you gonna pledge your life to someone, then just up and leave at the end of the arc, leaving them alone when they and their country are still weak and vulnerable. No straw hat got treatment like this. Developing such a new deep connection to an arc centric character. Obviously straw hats have connections to arc characters, but those are pre-established connections. Like Nami and Nojiko, Franky and Iceburg etc.
To make a comparison, this would be like if Franky pledged his life to Paulie and started heavily interacting with him, instead of Usopp, Robin and other straw hats. The only reason Oda would focus on developing such a deep new relationship would be if it would have big future relevance. Which at this point is extremely likely. Yamao is staying on Wano with Momo. Either as a daimyo, retainer or perhaps as another shogun that could co-rule Wano with Momo. Either way, it seems very clear after this chapter that she isn't joining.
Yamao does all her dumb shit when she's impersonating. That includes claiming that she expects to ride on Luffy's ship. People often spin what she said as saying that she wants to join the crew, but what she actually said is SPEAKING AS KOZUKI ODEN, with that logic, she expects to ride on the ship (Because that would parallel to Oden).
The expectation to ride on Luffy's ship isn't Yamao's, it's her speaking as Kozuki Oden.
Note, in this chapter, we get Yamao speaking as Yamato. An important distinction.
In this moment, Yamato poured out her heart telling Shinobu and Momo about her story, how much she not only admired Oden, but greatly valued them too. In her past, she tried to save Momo but at the time she was powerless to do so. However...Now she has that power to protect him. Yamao isn't just protecting Momo because she was told to, she is fulfilling a duty that she failed to do that day and is now making up for it by pledging her life to Momo.
It should go without saying, but yeah this is a nuke to Yamao's chances of joining the crew. How're you gonna pledge your life to someone, then just up and leave at the end of the arc, leaving them alone when they and their country are still weak and vulnerable. No straw hat got treatment like this. Developing such a new deep connection to an arc centric character. Obviously straw hats have connections to arc characters, but those are pre-established connections. Like Nami and Nojiko, Franky and Iceburg etc.
To make a comparison, this would be like if Franky pledged his life to Paulie and started heavily interacting with him, instead of Usopp, Robin and other straw hats. The only reason Oda would focus on developing such a deep new relationship would be if it would have big future relevance. Which at this point is extremely likely. Yamao is staying on Wano with Momo. Either as a daimyo, retainer or perhaps as another shogun that could co-rule Wano with Momo. Either way, it seems very clear after this chapter that she isn't joining.
zoro- protected little girl for several days when the Marines got him
Nami-Work her but off to try buy certain village and win back freedom in the process
Ussop-was trying protect kaya and former crew members from captain Kuro and Jango
Sanji-wanted to protect zeff and reiju in two separate arcs
Chopper-wanted protect dr. hirluke’s flag, Dr. Kirehea, Nami, rest members straw hats, and animals
Robin-wanted To protect and sacrifice her life for friends alongside the journey she had with them
Franky-was trying his to help retrieve robin, trying boasting her morale of believing her existence is not crime and when she was suffering from her psd after the buster call
Brook-save several members of the crew and trying protect Afro.
Jinbei-has willing lay down life on several occasions since impel down, marineford, whole cake island
if anything it does boast Yamato chance even further. With her there sense of honor, respect, Loyalty, and regret that is there. As well possibilities we might be getting flashback from her perspective in incoming chapters pretty soon. Even in the previous chapter it has me worried about Yamato futures since she is the descendent of Kaido. Is likely she will start Journey just similar what Oden did as she originally intended.
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Yamato development is really big in this chap. We see her strong determination and emotional scene. Im glad she has that.
As expected, yamato would get along with momo. She puts her life for momo seems like she put herself as momo servant. Well servant probably not the right word to describe it but it's more like prince (yamato) and princess (momo) lol. Whatever is that, this moment really deepen their relationship
To me this chapter make yamato more loveable but does not really give me a hints on wether she staying or leaving.
But imo it's the plot to make a new home for her, a place that people really care for her, a place to return, whether she staying or leaving.
Powerlevel wise, I think she's strong like monster trio. She tanked the explosion just like it's nothing and she one shotted a gifter in a surprising way. Did she uses ryuo this chap? There's high chance that she did coz maybe oden write something about ryuo in his journal. Ryuo or not, she did make sasaki surprised twice. If she join, she'll definietly join the monster division.
But idk it feels so wrong to have 2 monster joining for the new nakamas at the same time
I feel like she is the wano arc katakuri. They're both yonko kid + they're strong. But the different is that yamato flashback connected to the main plot unlike katakuri flashback
As expected, yamato would get along with momo. She puts her life for momo seems like she put herself as momo servant. Well servant probably not the right word to describe it but it's more like prince (yamato) and princess (momo) lol. Whatever is that, this moment really deepen their relationship
To me this chapter make yamato more loveable but does not really give me a hints on wether she staying or leaving.
But imo it's the plot to make a new home for her, a place that people really care for her, a place to return, whether she staying or leaving.
Powerlevel wise, I think she's strong like monster trio. She tanked the explosion just like it's nothing and she one shotted a gifter in a surprising way. Did she uses ryuo this chap? There's high chance that she did coz maybe oden write something about ryuo in his journal. Ryuo or not, she did make sasaki surprised twice. If she join, she'll definietly join the monster division.
But idk it feels so wrong to have 2 monster joining for the new nakamas at the same time
I feel like she is the wano arc katakuri. They're both yonko kid + they're strong. But the different is that yamato flashback connected to the main plot unlike katakuri flashback
And in both of those situations he helped them when they were threatened, did he not? So your previous comment has no basis, my dude.
You can't be the judge of her strength when you don't know what she's fully capable of doing. Sulong is only one aspect of her fighting capabilities and that's conditional. The rest as far as we know is still unknown, so that's why I'm anticipating this fight against Perospero; we'll finally see the extent of her abilities.
Besides, people already suspended their disbelief that Kinemon could hurt Kaido despite Oden telling him (and to the readers by proxy) to not underestimate his samurai. If Pedro says she's a good fighter, now is the best chance to see how good.
We don't know if she does yet. Honestly, it could be a base requirement in order to be a Musketeer/Guardian. We don't know that. But Carrot did imply that in order to be one of the "elite fighters" on Zou, you'd need to have control over the Sulong transformation.
She's stubborn, but she's not stupid. That much we know for sure. How she plans on beating a guy that literally beat Brook and Chopper casually and to subdue Pedro easily is something I plan to see. She already knows what he can do and she has enough awareness to know what to do in a required situation.
Pauly was with the Galley-La company most of the time during Enies Lobby. He didn't even fight a major antagonist or help the crew escape.
Kinemon has always represented the Samurai throughout his journey with the crew. His quest was finding Kanjuro and Raizo, head to Wano to confront Kaido, and fulfill Oden's will on opening Wano's borders.
Barto was one of many coliseum fighters that assisted the crew in taking down the Donquixote Pirates and liberate Dressrosa. He was also a captain of his own crew, so he easily was an ensured ally, especially in the creation of the Grand Fleet.
None of that applies to Carrot. Carrot's reasoning for being in WCI isn't established outside of her desire for adventure. She doesn't really need to be where she is for circumstantial reasons, she just is. She can, quite literally, do whatever the fuck she wants, as seen by the fact she stowed away with the Straw Hats to Totland without asking permission from the Dukes to leave and is not participating in the battle with the Beasts Pirates on the top of the Skull Dome. Guess where she is, though?
You can't be the judge of her strength when you don't know what she's fully capable of doing. Sulong is only one aspect of her fighting capabilities and that's conditional. The rest as far as we know is still unknown, so that's why I'm anticipating this fight against Perospero; we'll finally see the extent of her abilities.
Besides, people already suspended their disbelief that Kinemon could hurt Kaido despite Oden telling him (and to the readers by proxy) to not underestimate his samurai. If Pedro says she's a good fighter, now is the best chance to see how good.
We don't know if she does yet. Honestly, it could be a base requirement in order to be a Musketeer/Guardian. We don't know that. But Carrot did imply that in order to be one of the "elite fighters" on Zou, you'd need to have control over the Sulong transformation.
She's stubborn, but she's not stupid. That much we know for sure. How she plans on beating a guy that literally beat Brook and Chopper casually and to subdue Pedro easily is something I plan to see. She already knows what he can do and she has enough awareness to know what to do in a required situation.
Pauly was with the Galley-La company most of the time during Enies Lobby. He didn't even fight a major antagonist or help the crew escape.
Kinemon has always represented the Samurai throughout his journey with the crew. His quest was finding Kanjuro and Raizo, head to Wano to confront Kaido, and fulfill Oden's will on opening Wano's borders.
Barto was one of many coliseum fighters that assisted the crew in taking down the Donquixote Pirates and liberate Dressrosa. He was also a captain of his own crew, so he easily was an ensured ally, especially in the creation of the Grand Fleet.
None of that applies to Carrot. Carrot's reasoning for being in WCI isn't established outside of her desire for adventure. She doesn't really need to be where she is for circumstantial reasons, she just is. She can, quite literally, do whatever the fuck she wants, as seen by the fact she stowed away with the Straw Hats to Totland without asking permission from the Dukes to leave and is not participating in the battle with the Beasts Pirates on the top of the Skull Dome. Guess where she is, though?
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If I had to explain, it would be a character moment that provides the opportunity to make a distinction on the qualities of the character themselves. The type of moments that make you feel a certain type of way, in this case, the vibes I got were very similar to the Strawhats in their respective arcs before they joined.
Really hoping Yamato fights Smoothie. This chapter pretty much showed me how powerful she really is. Her and Smoothie are roughly the same age and are both children of their respective Yonko.
Everytime Yamato clashes with a F6, it doesnt feel like its her proper fight, just instances of a prior relationship with them. Just like Ulti, I don't think Sasaki is Yamato's opponent, but still Franky's.
I'm starting to think she is really being built up as part of Luffy's top 4, in that:
- Zoro may fight King/Queen
- Sanji may fight King/Queen
- Jinbe may fight Queen/Jack
- Yamato may fight Smoothie
His top 4 finishes off the 4 remaining commanders between the 2 Yonko this arc. All that this hinges on is the BMP actually arriving and playing significant factors in the battles.
Same goes for Carrot too, there is a deep significance with her clashing with Pero, and that already seems to be happening. Hopefully both join to payoff the last 200 chapters tbh. Pero and Smoothie need their moments at least, and I'd love it if some others fought Daifuku/Campote/Amande.
Everytime Yamato clashes with a F6, it doesnt feel like its her proper fight, just instances of a prior relationship with them. Just like Ulti, I don't think Sasaki is Yamato's opponent, but still Franky's.
I'm starting to think she is really being built up as part of Luffy's top 4, in that:
- Zoro may fight King/Queen
- Sanji may fight King/Queen
- Jinbe may fight Queen/Jack
- Yamato may fight Smoothie
His top 4 finishes off the 4 remaining commanders between the 2 Yonko this arc. All that this hinges on is the BMP actually arriving and playing significant factors in the battles.
Same goes for Carrot too, there is a deep significance with her clashing with Pero, and that already seems to be happening. Hopefully both join to payoff the last 200 chapters tbh. Pero and Smoothie need their moments at least, and I'd love it if some others fought Daifuku/Campote/Amande.
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