General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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@dizzy2341 We kinda were on the money on this one lol
Yep, so far seems so lol. I believe this was my earliest post on it.
And yeah, after being reminded of some things, I'm even more confident.
Momo's entire issue is that he's too young and weak to carry out his wishes. He feels he's too young to be shogun, powerless to avenge his parents AND to protect his retainers. He asked Luffy, and of course Luffy agreed to help, but now we have another character appear who has exactly the traits that Momo was looking for.
They were both the same age, but because of time travel, Yamao's a 28 year old whilst Momo's only 8. It's definetly no coincidence that Yamao is the age Momo would've been had he not time travelled. But not only that, but she also shares in the same frustrations at having once been too weak and young to do anything.
Momo - Too young and weak to fulfil his desires and carry out his duties
Yamao - Old enough, strong enough and has offered her life for Momo specifically
Yep, it's a wrap. Yamao's more or less out of the question. Momo's her calling, not the straw hats.
Yeah, I've been considering this idea for a few days now. It could even carry more weight since Yamato is the daughter of Kaido, the killer of Oden. A point in Orochi's past that led him to want to destroy Wano is the fact the fact that he was judged and hunted for a crime his ancestors committed. Despite how terrible Orochi is, Oda attempted to display that moment as an act genuinely wrong of the Wano citizens to commit.
When you combine the gender issues of Wano:
The way Wano citizens treat those simply related to criminals:
And the fact that Momo is still too young to be the shogun, with there being many hints that it's simply too early for him to rule atm:
Being shogun and a great warrior is not yet his own dream. Simply something he's been told to recite.
Momo thinks he's not ready to inherit his father's blade
Momo's aware of his position and tries his best not to be a burden. He later tries to escape and Kanjuro almost beats him to death, because he's still just a kid and can't possibly fight back. Once again proving that he's simply just as kid, despite his circumstances.
Momo's respect is not because of who he is, but because of who his father was.
It's possible that all this is just setup for Momo's character growth and him fully maturing into the figure he wants to be. Shinobu even has a maturing df power so who knows what might happen with that. But it's also very interesting that Yamato a strong, outspoken female, daughter of a "daimyo killer" who out of "sheer coincidence" happens to be the exact same age that Momo would've been had he been allowed to mature instead of skipping forward 20 years in time. And she also happens to have an immense adoration for Oden to the point that she claims to be him. Not to mention just last chapter, a plot line was introduced with the possibility of Yamato becoming shogun for Kaido over Onigashima.
I imagine if she found out that Momo and Hiyori and the scabbards were still alive, after Kaido had been beaten and was out of the picture, that she might voluntarily wish to rule Wano in Momo's stead until he is old enough to rule himself, letting Momo finally enjoy his childhood after so many hardships with Tama as a surrogate kid sister to Hiyori, until he is mature enough, and willing to rule Wano.
Yamato's desire to get on Luffy's ship is tied to her belief that she NEEDS to be Oden. If this belief changes after realising that all of the inheritors of Oden's will are still alive, it's possible she'll develop her own character. Wanting to rule Wano, something Oden never wanted to do would be a great expression of that. Showing her respect for Oden in looking after his country, whilst simultaneously proving her to be her own self and not a lazy copy like she is atm.
TL;DR So yeah, it's possible Momo could just be in a development stage where he eventually matures to becoming shogun by the end of the arc. But it's also possible that Yamato acts as a stand in whilst Momo enjoys his childhood and grows up. Yamato being the same age Momo would've been, an outspoken strong woman, someone with the blood of a daimyo killer in her, she would send a strong message to all of Wano and it's possible that's the direction Oda intends for her character.
When you combine the gender issues of Wano:
The way Wano citizens treat those simply related to criminals:
Being shogun and a great warrior is not yet his own dream. Simply something he's been told to recite.
Momo thinks he's not ready to inherit his father's blade
Momo's aware of his position and tries his best not to be a burden. He later tries to escape and Kanjuro almost beats him to death, because he's still just a kid and can't possibly fight back. Once again proving that he's simply just as kid, despite his circumstances.
It's possible that all this is just setup for Momo's character growth and him fully maturing into the figure he wants to be. Shinobu even has a maturing df power so who knows what might happen with that. But it's also very interesting that Yamato a strong, outspoken female, daughter of a "daimyo killer" who out of "sheer coincidence" happens to be the exact same age that Momo would've been had he been allowed to mature instead of skipping forward 20 years in time. And she also happens to have an immense adoration for Oden to the point that she claims to be him. Not to mention just last chapter, a plot line was introduced with the possibility of Yamato becoming shogun for Kaido over Onigashima.
I imagine if she found out that Momo and Hiyori and the scabbards were still alive, after Kaido had been beaten and was out of the picture, that she might voluntarily wish to rule Wano in Momo's stead until he is old enough to rule himself, letting Momo finally enjoy his childhood after so many hardships with Tama as a surrogate kid sister to Hiyori, until he is mature enough, and willing to rule Wano.
Yamato's desire to get on Luffy's ship is tied to her belief that she NEEDS to be Oden. If this belief changes after realising that all of the inheritors of Oden's will are still alive, it's possible she'll develop her own character. Wanting to rule Wano, something Oden never wanted to do would be a great expression of that. Showing her respect for Oden in looking after his country, whilst simultaneously proving her to be her own self and not a lazy copy like she is atm.
TL;DR So yeah, it's possible Momo could just be in a development stage where he eventually matures to becoming shogun by the end of the arc. But it's also possible that Yamato acts as a stand in whilst Momo enjoys his childhood and grows up. Yamato being the same age Momo would've been, an outspoken strong woman, someone with the blood of a daimyo killer in her, she would send a strong message to all of Wano and it's possible that's the direction Oda intends for her character.
Momo's entire issue is that he's too young and weak to carry out his wishes. He feels he's too young to be shogun, powerless to avenge his parents AND to protect his retainers. He asked Luffy, and of course Luffy agreed to help, but now we have another character appear who has exactly the traits that Momo was looking for.
They were both the same age, but because of time travel, Yamao's a 28 year old whilst Momo's only 8. It's definetly no coincidence that Yamao is the age Momo would've been had he not time travelled. But not only that, but she also shares in the same frustrations at having once been too weak and young to do anything.
Momo - Too young and weak to fulfil his desires and carry out his duties
Yamao - Old enough, strong enough and has offered her life for Momo specifically
Yep, it's a wrap. Yamao's more or less out of the question. Momo's her calling, not the straw hats.
Yep, so far seems so lol. I believe this was my earliest post on it.
And yeah, after being reminded of some things, I'm even more confident.
Momo's entire issue is that he's too young and weak to carry out his wishes. He feels he's too young to be shogun, powerless to avenge his parents AND to protect his retainers. He asked Luffy, and of course Luffy agreed to help, but now we have another character appear who has exactly the traits that Momo was looking for.
They were both the same age, but because of time travel, Yamao's a 28 year old whilst Momo's only 8. It's definetly no coincidence that Yamao is the age Momo would've been had he not time travelled. But not only that, but she also shares in the same frustrations at having once been too weak and young to do anything.
Momo - Too young and weak to fulfil his desires and carry out his duties
Yamao - Old enough, strong enough and has offered her life for Momo specifically
Yep, it's a wrap. Yamao's more or less out of the question. Momo's her calling, not the straw hats.
And yeah, after being reminded of some things, I'm even more confident.
Momo's entire issue is that he's too young and weak to carry out his wishes. He feels he's too young to be shogun, powerless to avenge his parents AND to protect his retainers. He asked Luffy, and of course Luffy agreed to help, but now we have another character appear who has exactly the traits that Momo was looking for.
They were both the same age, but because of time travel, Yamao's a 28 year old whilst Momo's only 8. It's definetly no coincidence that Yamao is the age Momo would've been had he not time travelled. But not only that, but she also shares in the same frustrations at having once been too weak and young to do anything.
Momo - Too young and weak to fulfil his desires and carry out his duties
Yamao - Old enough, strong enough and has offered her life for Momo specifically
Yep, it's a wrap. Yamao's more or less out of the question. Momo's her calling, not the straw hats.
I'm gonna be honest here, but it was already poor planning on Oda's part to introduce us to such a pivotal character with no foreshadowing and forewarning whatsoever till the raid began 70+ chapters deep.
If she was, say, mentioned in the beginning of the arc and was somewhat shown or silhouetted every time the story cut away to Onigashima, I would honestly look at Yamato's chances better than I do now. Look at how Oda established all the Scabbards. From encountering Kinemon, Kanjuro, and Raizo, to saving the Dukes Inuarashi and Nekomamushi, to meeting Kiku in Kuri, seeing Ashura Doji as a rogue bandit, seeing Denjiro as Kyoshiro, meeting Kawamatsu in prison, introducing Shinobu, and recalling Izo who we knew was a Division Commander under Whitebeard. It all played into establishing these characters and the flashback of their time and bond with Oden solidified why they're so resolute and determined.
I was pretty annoyed at Yamato's antics of constantly referring to herself as Oden, yet gets upset when Luffy mispronounces her name. That's why I liked this chapter. She's not speaking as Oden, trying to imitate him and his persona, or following logic due to what Oden has done. She states her desire, what she wanted to do but couldn't, how Shinobu's speech moved her, how inspiring Oden's life and will was, and guilt for not being strong enough to save Momonosuke. All this revealed to us not as cosplayer Oden, but Yamato. I'm glad for that progression as it's one step to dropping the Oden imitation and being her own person.
If she was, say, mentioned in the beginning of the arc and was somewhat shown or silhouetted every time the story cut away to Onigashima, I would honestly look at Yamato's chances better than I do now. Look at how Oda established all the Scabbards. From encountering Kinemon, Kanjuro, and Raizo, to saving the Dukes Inuarashi and Nekomamushi, to meeting Kiku in Kuri, seeing Ashura Doji as a rogue bandit, seeing Denjiro as Kyoshiro, meeting Kawamatsu in prison, introducing Shinobu, and recalling Izo who we knew was a Division Commander under Whitebeard. It all played into establishing these characters and the flashback of their time and bond with Oden solidified why they're so resolute and determined.
I was pretty annoyed at Yamato's antics of constantly referring to herself as Oden, yet gets upset when Luffy mispronounces her name. That's why I liked this chapter. She's not speaking as Oden, trying to imitate him and his persona, or following logic due to what Oden has done. She states her desire, what she wanted to do but couldn't, how Shinobu's speech moved her, how inspiring Oden's life and will was, and guilt for not being strong enough to save Momonosuke. All this revealed to us not as cosplayer Oden, but Yamato. I'm glad for that progression as it's one step to dropping the Oden imitation and being her own person.
Yep, so far seems so lol. I believe this was my earliest post on it.
And yeah, after being reminded of some things, I'm even more confident.
Momo's entire issue is that he's too young and weak to carry out his wishes. He feels he's too young to be shogun, powerless to avenge his parents AND to protect his retainers. He asked Luffy, and of course Luffy agreed to help, but now we have another character appear who has exactly the traits that Momo was looking for.
They were both the same age, but because of time travel, Yamao's a 28 year old whilst Momo's only 8. It's definetly no coincidence that Yamao is the age Momo would've been had he not time travelled. But not only that, but she also shares in the same frustrations at having once been too weak and young to do anything.
Momo - Too young and weak to fulfil his desires and carry out his duties
Yamao - Old enough, strong enough and has offered her life for Momo specifically
Yep, it's a wrap. Yamao's more or less out of the question. Momo's her calling, not the straw hats.
And yeah, after being reminded of some things, I'm even more confident.
Momo's entire issue is that he's too young and weak to carry out his wishes. He feels he's too young to be shogun, powerless to avenge his parents AND to protect his retainers. He asked Luffy, and of course Luffy agreed to help, but now we have another character appear who has exactly the traits that Momo was looking for.
They were both the same age, but because of time travel, Yamao's a 28 year old whilst Momo's only 8. It's definetly no coincidence that Yamao is the age Momo would've been had he not time travelled. But not only that, but she also shares in the same frustrations at having once been too weak and young to do anything.
Momo - Too young and weak to fulfil his desires and carry out his duties
Yamao - Old enough, strong enough and has offered her life for Momo specifically
Yep, it's a wrap. Yamao's more or less out of the question. Momo's her calling, not the straw hats.
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