Hahahaha, you need to chill out with that shit...Oda hasn’t killed off anyone in a real-time decade (try telling @Tokiro Oumaga and @critical mindset that Monet and Vergo have truly bitten the dust), he’s not gonna start with a highly visible character like Carrot regardless of whether or not she joins the crew.
No, but what I can show you was that only Jinbe had the ability to do what he had done. Even trying to imply he could relay the information to Nami when her main job was navigating the Sunny to get to Caocao Island showed that it couldn't be feasibly done. Her job is to be a navigator, not a last minute helmsman.
There's a mutual relationship between navigator and helmsman. Saying Jinbe could have relayed to her information and experience he has known for years with more knowledge on how to properly handle the ship at the last moment as they're encountering a pincer between Daifuku's fleet and Big Mom behind, as I mentioned, is nothing more than head canon. Nami already knew how to cook, but she can't cook at the quality of Sanji. You want to know why? Because he's a master chef, Nami will never replicate his skill in a short timeframe just because she followed his recipe book.
It is head canon because you're basing this off nothing concrete outside of your opinon. And the people you just mentioned were all members under the Galley-La company, led by Paulie, their own faction. Where is Carrot right now? Oh yeah, with the Straw Hat Pirates.
You're conjuring information that has nothing concrete from the story outside of your opinions. That's why I call it head canon. You say he has no plans for her, yet she's still present. She's not in the background on the raid and is on the forefront above any Mink so far, still accompanying the Straw Hats. Meaning her value is above others among her tribe for currently unknown reasons.
Nami can be a last minute helmsman like she was a last minute cook. Jinbei can instruct her directives to sail through normal sea waves optimally, its not like he would be showing her how to ride a tsunami, that's a feat only Jinbei could do. If its something relatively easy, it can be done. It seems you're having a hard time swallowing the notion that if Carrot was completely erased from the plot nothing would change that's why she's a irrelevant filler character.
Of course Nami can't cook at Sanji's level that's a redundant statement, just like Nami wouldn't be able to ride a freaking Tsunami. We're talking about normal sea waves here, Jinbei can tell her which way the sea currents are going and the rules she need to obey by to sail swiftly. And Jinbei would take even less time than Carrot to wreck Daifuku's fleet(under water).
They weren't lead by Paulie? Paulie just had more charisma than them...
Well its a thread to give your opinion and Carrot for Nakama has no concrete grounds either, its a collection of fan made wishes, fanatic prayers and silly interpretations. Its a repeat of WCI, she's on the main stage again but still in the background doing zero as always. Pointless one liners here and there. Yes, she's present with the Strawhats as the cute mink representative to appeal for the average fanbase. Carrot's role is to look cute, be cheerful and fearless sporadically, that's it.
Nami can be a last minute helmsman like she was a last minute cook. Jinbei can instruct her directives to sail through normal sea waves optimally, its not like he would be showing her how to ride a tsunami, that's a feat only Jinbei could do. If its something relatively easy, it can be done. It seems you're having a hard time swallowing the notion that if Carrot was completely erased from the plot nothing would change that's why she's a irrelevant filler character.
Of course Nami can't cook at Sanji's level that's a redundant statement, just like Nami wouldn't be able to ride a freaking Tsunami. We're talking about normal sea waves here, Jinbei can tell her which way the sea currents are going and the rules she need to obey by to sail swiftly. And Jinbei would take even less time than Carrot to wreck Daifuku's fleet(under water).
They weren't lead by Paulie? Paulie just had more charisma than them...
Well its a thread to give your opinion and Carrot for Nakama has no concrete grounds either, its a collection of fan made wishes, fanatic prayers and silly interpretations. Its a repeat of WCI, she's on the main stage again but still in the background doing zero as always. Pointless one liners here and there. Yes, she's present with the Strawhats as the cute mink representative to appeal for the average fanbase. Carrot's role is to look cute, be cheerful and fearless sporadically, that's it.
She can be a last minute helmsman just like Franky was a helmsman, or Brook was, or Chopper has. However, they cannot replicate Jinbe's skill. Nami already knew how to cook, she just doesn't cook at the skill level of Sanji. Likewise, you are insinuating that Nami can helm a ship at the same level of Jinbe to optimally sail around the currents, which is factually incorrect.
You're basically suggesting that Nami can replicate Jinbe's skill when that is not the case. And not only that, he would have time to show her at the last moment as Big Mom is approaching hot on their heels while being pincered by Daifuku's fleet up ahead. All the while Jinbe could swim all the way to the fleet to dispatch the ships, swim back, and still have enough time to prevent Big Mom's pursuit while it was Jinbe's helming that allowed them to prevent capture. The Straw Hats are the best at what they do, their skill can never be "replicated." This is pure head canon to suggest that because its based on that because Nami read a cook book from Sanji, she can also helm a ship at the skill level of Jinbe. This exist nowhere outside you head canon and the fact you can't prove it shows.
EDIT: And even Jinbe would struggle with the fleet, since he would be going head-to-head with Daifuku's genie and Smoothie and it shows. Sanji even struggled with Daifuku. Even with the combined might of the Sun Pirates and Jinbe, dispatching the fleet was a tough endeavor. As opposed to gliding around the fleet just ripping off their steering wheels, making their course aimless, causing Daifuku to redirect his attention from the Sunny and pursue Carrot all the while destroying his own ships.
And no, Paulie was the leader representing the Galley-La Company
He was the one representing the Galley-La Company.
Yeah, its a thread on speculating the next crew members. However, we're theorizing based on in-narrative hints. Meanwhile, your only assertions are something that has no basis. You seem to believe that we do not see Carrot's lack of presence, but we are completely aware of this and we highlight from the story and using panels that are shown in the actual series that for some reason, her presence among the Straw Hats is unusual. She does not follow the trend that most tag-a-long characters possess and the amount of time we have spent with her doesn't justify her presence at all. The fact Oda has her included with the main force and not with the Musketeers, who she is a member of under Shishilian, reinforces this. Therefore, because she is visually still present in the narrative among the main characters of the series, she is still relevant. Meanwhile, your reasons are based on nothing but your opinions, saying that her purpose is to appeal to the furry fanbase without actually proving that from the story by basically saying that she has taken a backseat to the story when that's exactly what we have stated since the beginning because that doesn't justify the amount of time she's been around them. Oda has to work with many characters in the series, but your stating that Oda went out of his way to include her based on nothing but bias. Henceforth your speculation has no basis outside of your head canon. Or as you put it, your opinion...
She can be a last minute helmsman just like Franky was a helmsman, or Brook was, or Chopper has. However, they cannot replicate Jinbe's skill. Nami already knew how to cook, she just doesn't cook at the skill level of Sanji. Likewise, you are insinuating that Nami can helm a ship at the same level of Jinbe to optimally sail around the currents, which is factually incorrect.
You're basically suggesting that Nami can replicate Jinbe's skill when that is not the case. And not only that, he would have time to show her at the last moment as Big Mom is approaching hot on their heels while being pincered by Daifuku's fleet up ahead. All the while Jinbe could swim all the way to the fleet to dispatch the ships, swim back, and still have enough time to prevent Big Mom's pursuit while it was Jinbe's helming that allowed them to prevent capture. The Straw Hats are the best at what they do, their skill can never be "replicated." This is pure head canon to suggest that because its based on that because Nami read a cook book from Sanji, she can also helm a ship at the skill level of Jinbe. This exist nowhere outside you head canon and the fact you can't prove it shows.
EDIT: And even Jinbe would struggle with the fleet, since he would be going head-to-head with Daifuku's genie and Smoothie and it shows. Sanji even struggled with Daifuku. Even with the combined might of the Sun Pirates and Jinbe, dispatching the fleet was a tough endeavor. As opposed to gliding around the fleet just ripping off their steering wheels, making their course aimless, causing Daifuku to redirect his attention from the Sunny and pursue Carrot all the while destroying his own ships.
And no, Paulie was the leader representing the Galley-La Company
He was the one representing the Galley-La Company.
Yeah, its a thread on speculating the next crew members. However, we're theorizing based on in-narrative hints. Meanwhile, your only assertions are something that has no basis. You seem to believe that we do not see Carrot's lack of presence, but we are completely aware of this and we highlight from the story and using panels that are shown in the actual series that for some reason, her presence among the Straw Hats is unusual. She does not follow the trend that most tag-a-long characters possess and the amount of time we have spent with her doesn't justify her presence at all. The fact Oda has her included with the main force and not with the Musketeers, who she is a member of under Shishilian, reinforces this. Therefore, because she is visually still present in the narrative among the main characters of the series, she is still relevant. Meanwhile, your reasons are based on nothing but your opinions, saying that her purpose is to appeal to the furry fanbase without actually proving that from the story by basically saying that she has taken a backseat to the story when that's exactly what we have stated since the beginning because that doesn't justify the amount of time she's been around them. Oda has to work with many characters in the series, but your stating that Oda went out of his way to include her based on nothing but bias. Henceforth your speculation has no basis outside of your head canon. Or as you put it, your opinion...
It's simple, i believe Jinbei can tell Nami how to helm the ship through the sea, she doesn't need to learn his skills and knowledge of the sea current, only follow Jinbei's instructions while he temporarly ruins Daifuku fleet underwater. Jinbei doen't even need to fend off Daifuku and his men, he only has to break the rudder blade portion of the rudder that's in the water. If it took Carrot 3 minutes in Sulong since she can't stay in that form for more than that, it would take half the time for Jinbei to render the enemy fleet utterly useless. My initial take is, as its my opinion, subtract Carrot from the story and nothing changes, nothing at all. She's irrelevant
Well Carrot for Nakama evidences have no basis either, yall are twisting and appropriating yourself false missleading in-narrative hints. In short you're building up whatever crap you want to fit your personal narrative for Carrot to join the crew. Even disregarding the previous Strawhat recruits going as far as to say she will have her own different type of recruitment or her flashback is happening in present time or Oda is doing something new. How much can you fake your opinion onto others to make your wishes come true? Carrot was never given special attention from Oda to suggest she's more than what she is, an empty mix of cliche. Yeah, Oda is doing something different with Carrot, he's using her as a mascot to fool her fans.
It's simple, i believe Jinbei can tell Nami how to helm the ship through the sea, she doesn't need to learn his skills and knowledge of the sea current, only follow Jinbei's instructions while he temporarly ruins Daifuku fleet underwater. Jinbei doen't even need to fend off Daifuku and his men, he only has to break the rudder blade portion of the rudder that's in the water. If it took Carrot 3 minutes in Sulong since she can't stay in that form for more than that, it would take half the time for Jinbei to render the enemy fleet utterly useless. My initial take is, as its my opinion, subtract Carrot from the story and nothing changes, nothing at all. She's irrelevant
Well Carrot for Nakama evidences have no basis either, yall are twisting and appropriating yourself false missleading in-narrative hints. In short you're building up whatever crap you want to fit your personal narrative for Carrot to join the crew. Even disregarding the previous Strawhat recruits going as far as to say she will have her own different type of recruitment or her flashback is happening in present time or Oda is doing something new. How much can you fake your opinion onto others to make your wishes come true? Carrot was never given special attention from Oda to suggest she's more than what she is, an empty mix of cliche. Yeah, Oda is doing something different with Carrot, he's using her as a mascot to fool her numbskull fans.
See, it is your head canon to believe that Jinbe could tell Nami to helm the ship as efficiently as he could when Big Mom was pursuing them and that she alone would be efficient as enough to dodge and evade their attacks, not only just them catching up. The only reason Jinbe had the lead, as was mentioned in the pages I showed you, was the fact Jinbe's natural experience is what makes him a capable and superior helmsman. Just like Sanji's natural experience is what makes him an amazing chef. That can't be replicated to fit your narrative. Not only that, you're believing that Jinbe could destroy the rudders of Daifuku's fleet in half the time it took Carrot to rip off their steering wheels while Daifuku was helping destroy his own fleet when it was shown when he was fending off the fleet approaching the Sunny, him nor the Sun Pirates did such a thing. So thus, it's your head canon. You base this off a belief that is not present in the narrative to discount what actually occurred. The fact you have to resort to insulting people only to push your bias does you no favors as well.
EDIT: Even to emphasize my point why Nami steering the ship in Jinbe's place would be impossible and impracticable:
Daifuku was going to attack the Sunny.
Even though Jinbe could be underwater ripping rudders, he still acknowledges Daifuku's threatening presence and he'd have to explain how he helms the ship, understanding reading the currents, and leave the Sunny defenseless in the hands of last minute helmsman Nami as Daifuku was going to fire non-homie cannon balls at the Sunny which only survived and evaded threats because Jinbe was steering it.
You should actually read, you know, something that you keep avoiding. Not just the story, but our reasoning. Our basis is that she's still present with the Straw Hats and has done so for the past 4 years she's been a part of their adventure. There's no misleading narrative hints. You're claiming it is the case because you cannot justify her presence prominently with the crew without your bias, as you're doing now. It's not a fake opinion like what you are doing now, it is a speculation based on consistent trends in the narrative and Carrot's status as the tag-a-long character that didn't have a tangible goal when she was associating herself with the crew. Not only that, her prominence among them needs justification. Your bias take is that she is there to appease "numbskull fans" when that is only a belief you hold rather than what is shown in narrative. Oda does not create characters for no reason, only you are saying that, and characters that constantly are featured with the Straw Hats independently of their adventure is a lead among the speculation.
I once again implore you to read the story, since the only person with mislead facts is yourself and your incorrect statements also show constantly.
See, it is your head canon to believe that Jinbe could tell Nami to helm the ship as efficiently as he could when Big Mom was pursuing them and that she alone would be efficient as enough to dodge and evade their attacks, not only just them catching up. The only reason Jinbe had the lead, as was mentioned in the pages I showed you, was the fact Jinbe's natural experience is what makes him a capable and superior helmsman. Just like Sanji's natural experience is what makes him an amazing chef. That can't be replicated to fit your narrative. Not only that, you're believing that Jinbe could do destroy the rudders of Daifuku's fleet in half the time it took Carrot when it was shown when he was fending off the fleet approaching the Sunny, him nor the Sun Pirates did such a thing. So thus, it's your head canon. You base this off a belief that is not present in the narrative to discount what actually occurred. The fact you have to resort to insulting people only to push your bias does you no favors as well.
You should actually read, you know, something that you keep avoiding. Not just the story, but our reasoning. Our basis is that she's still present with the Straw Hats and has done so for the past 4 years she's been a part of their adventure. There's no misleading narrative hints. You're claiming it is the case because you cannot justify her presence prominently with the crew without your bias, as you're doing now. It's not a fake opinion like what you are doing now, it is a speculation based on consistent trends in the narrative and Carrot's status as the tag-a-long character that didn't have a tangible goal when she was associating herself with the crew. Not only that, her prominence among them needs justification. Your bias take is that she is there to appease "numbskull fans" when that is only a belief you hold rather than what is shown in narrative. Oda does not create characters for no reason, only you are saying that, and characters that constantly are featured with the Straw Hats independently of their adventure is a lead among the speculation.
I once again implore you to read the story, since the only person with mislead facts is yourself and your incorrect statements also show constantly.
A capable and superior helmsman has few to no importance that's why Oda had to give Jinbei a ridiculous feat like surfing inside a tsunami to demonstrate he was the best helmsman the Strawhats could ever have. Dodging is unrelated, he needed a verbal assist from another person. Jinbei only has to tell nami turn left turn right follow this sea current there. Again she doesn't need to learn his skills, just follow Jinbei's instructions. You can't provide anything that disprove my hypothesis, its a plausible scenario. Uh Jinbei underwater is as fast or faster than Carrot in Sulong, its their natural environment. Arlong's fastest attack was under water. Jinbei's powerlevel under water could comfortably be first mate level(some people would say even more). It's absurd comparing an ex-shichibukai fisman underwater to Sulong Carrot.
Being with the Strawhats is not an argument for Carrot, its a handpicked information used to assign forced value and symbolism to. Which is the definition of fake opinion to push your Carrot agenda forward. I justify her presence as the cute mink mascot and its depicted by how irrelevant she has been up until now. She could also be a lure and a obvious one at that since Oda never made any efforts toward her character.
First off, Nami pulling off what Jinbei did in WCI is utterly absurd, and if you really think it's possible, you are lying to yourself.
But the argument is pointless anyway because it doesn't matter if there was another way it could have been done. Jinbei didn't destroy the fleet, Carrot did. Hypothetical alternate stories do not take away from the fact that Carrot was the one who did it. Oda gave her that role. Like I said above, pretty much everything Brook has done could have been done by someone else, but he ended up joining anyway.
First off, Nami pulling off what Jinbei did in WCI is utterly absurd, and if you really think it's possible, you are lying to yourself.
But the argument is pointless anyway because it doesn't matter if there was another way it could have been done. Jinbei didn't destroy the fleet, Carrot did. Hypothetical alternate stories do not take away from the fact that Carrot was the one who did it. Oda gave her that role. Like I said above, pretty much everything Brook has done could have been done by someone else, but he ended up joining anyway.
I don't care if Carrot did go Sulong and halted Daifuku's fleet or not. The point is she irrelevant as a character nothing she has done in the manga so far has been essential, she's a waste of space.
I don't care if Carrot did go Sulong and halted Daifuku's fleet or not. The point is she irrelevant as a character nothing she has done in the manga so far has been essential, she's a waste of space.
I don't care if Carrot did go Sulong and halted Daifuku's fleet or not. The point is she irrelevant as a character nothing she has done in the manga so far has been essential, she's a waste of space.
A capable and superior helmsman has few to no importance that's why Oda had to give Jinbei a ridiculous feat like surfing inside a tsunami to demonstrate he was the best helmsman the Strawhats could ever have. Dodging is unrelated, he needed a verbal assist from another person. Jinbei only has to tell nami turn left turn right follow this sea current there. Again she doesn't need to learn his skills, just follow Jinbei's instructions. You can't provide anything that disprove my hypothesis, its a plausible scenario. Uh Jinbei underwater is as fast or faster than Carrot in Sulong, its their natural environment. Arlong's fastest attack was under water. Jinbei's powerlevel under water could comfortably be first mate level(some people would say even more). It's absurd comparing an ex-shichibukai fisman underwater to Sulong Carrot.
Being with the Strawhats is not an argument for Carrot, its a handpicked information used to assign forced value and symbolism to. Which is the definition of fake opinion to push your Carrot agenda forward. I justify her presence as the cute mink mascot and its depicted by how irrelevant she has been up until now. She could also be a lure and a obvious one at that since Oda never made any efforts toward her character.
I basically just showed you why that was already impractical. I edited my comment, but this was what I posted:
Even to emphasize my point why Nami steering the ship in Jinbe's place would be impossible and impracticable:
Daifuku was going to attack the Sunny.
Even though Jinbe could be underwater ripping rudders, he still acknowledges Daifuku's threatening presence and he'd have to explain how he helms the ship, understanding reading the currents, and leave the Sunny defenseless in the hands of last minute helmsman Nami as Daifuku was going to fire non-homie cannon balls at the Sunny which only survived and evaded threats because Jinbe was steering it.
Your argument only works because you're running on the bias that Nami would be capable of doing so based off information Jinbe will relay to her last minute when their whole dynamic is that she directs him to the destination, where to go, while he steers. She can't do both and I already posted the panels of that. I'll even do it again:
All you're doing is taking hypothetical approaches to situations and saying Oda "could have" done this, when it directly shows in the story that it was not. You are trying to re-write a narrative that wasn't there and have to resort to placing your own bias on character interpretation for the logic to make sense.
Just like how you said taking Carrot out the story wouldn't change anything, but then @Sakura no Hiluluk and I responded saying:
Seriously... Nothing changes if she's not there ? Come on, give me a break. WCI would have to be entirely different because she saved Nami and Chopper in the Seducing Woods, helped Chopper deal with Brulee and co (and wasn't caught back probablky because of how fast she is), stopped an entire fleet from the BMP by herself in Sulong and generaly speaking was a fun addition.
Haters have no real argument against her, they have to resort to pathetic attacks like you Rootbeer demonstrates here; or selective choice of panels to try and belittle her (Sanji never managed to do more than hold his own against Daifuku's genie for instance). Meanwhile, some will wank Pekoms (a loser compared to Carrot, I'm sorry to say) or even Pedro (who is dead and has far less connections to the crew).
And you all fail to provide a compelling explanation for her presence with the crew. Because in good storytelling, of which Oda has proven to be great at otherwise this forum wouldn't exist, nothing is made at random.
So, I'll ask again : why was Carrot separated from the other Minks on Onigashima ? Was why she the only one who sneaked out to the Sunny ? Why was her personality fundamentaly different from any other girl of some importance in the manga ?
The answer is clearly, plainly, obviously, that Oda wants her to have a significant role in Onigashima and beyond. Most probably (I'd say I'm 85% sure at this point) to join the SH.
If you remove Carrot from the plot, this is what would happen when they arrive to Totland. Though you can make arguments in whatever way you want to imagine that Oda could have restructured what he had already portrayed:
Nami and Chopper would have been taken out early from Randolph (Carrot was the only one who noticed)
While you can make the argument that Chopper could have defeated Brulee and her homie minions, its debatable if he would have gotten Diesel (the character Carrot easily secured), who was the main source of transportation in the mirror world. He allowed them to get Pedro, Jinbe, and Nami as well as her drawings being used to identify said characters.
Her constant role as the lookout, which you can argue anyone could do, was the main way for the characters to be alert of incoming attacks so that they could focus on the job. Carrot so far is the only tag-a-long character that has intentionally performed a role on the ship with the crew consistently.
Her Sulong transformation straight up disabled Daifuku's fleet from pursuing the Sunny for a time so that the crew can continue their course forward.
Just like when you said that what bound her to the story because she was a Mink, but then I stated this as so:
The reason its odd that Carrot is involved is strictly because she wasn't supposed to be there. She wasn't the Mink representative, Pedro was. Go back and read Chapter 822. I can even provide you the pages so you won't conjure up some excuse.
Pedro was the Mink representative and he was selected by Nekomamushi because he was the only one who could calm down Pekoms in the case of a full moon. Pekoms was their guide into Totland as well as the person who would help bypass Big Mom's security. Carrot wasn't the "representative" because her inclusion wasn't necessary.
Then you compared Carrot's role in the story to Tilestone and Peepley Lulu and when I reminded you that they acted under the leadership of Paulie, you said that they only followed him for his charisma. I then posted...
He was the one representing the Galley-La Company.
Your justification is that you think Oda placed her in the story to be a cute mascot and yet there's no basis to that claim in the story, stating fake opinon when it stands to reason we use the story to back up our explanation as opposed to snide remarks that are based off nothing but bias. That Oda keeps her around to appeal the fandom when you can't justify how long she's been present with the crew because you don't want to acknowledge her unusual presence in the narrative. Instead of saying it could lead to something, your claiming it means nothing and that it was for the sake of fanservice. The reason for that is because it contradicts what you say, hence why I call what you're saying head canon. What you have been doing is construing arguments and hypothetical situations and abilities that doesn't reflect what transpired in the series.
All in all, you're just making stuff up. Read the story.
I don't care if Carrot did go Sulong and halted Daifuku's fleet or not. The point is she irrelevant as a character nothing she has done in the manga so far has been essential, she's a waste of space.
Brook has not done anything that others couldn't have done either. Is he a waste of space? Look I don't even like Carrot, but it's delusional to say she doesn't fit the mold of a Strawhat just because others could have done what she did because that applies to half the crew.
People need to understand that just because they don't like her doesn't mean she's not going to join the crew.
I basically just showed you why that was already impractical. I edited my comment, but this was what I posted:
Your argument only works because you're running on the bias that Nami would be capable of doing so based off information Jinbe will relay to her last minute when their whole dynamic is that she directs him to the destination, where to go, while he steers. She can't do both and I already posted the panels of that. I'll even do it again:
All you're doing is taking hypothetical approaches to situations and saying Oda "could have" done this, when it directly shows in the story that it was not. You are trying to re-write a narrative that wasn't there and have to resort to placing your own bias on character interpretation for the logic to make sense.
Just like how you said taking Carrot out the story wouldn't change anything, but then @Sakura no Hiluluk and I responded saying:
Just like when you said that what bound her to the story because she was a Mink, but then I stated this as so:
Then you compared Carrot's role in the story to Tilestone and Peepley Lulu and when I reminded you that they acted under the leadership of Paulie, you said that they only followed him for his charisma. I then posted...
Your justification is that you think Oda placed her in the story to be a cute mascot and yet there's no basis to that claim in the story, stating fake opinon when it stands to reason we use the story to back up our explanation as opposed to snide remarks that are based off nothing but bias. That Oda keeps her around to appeal the fandom when you can't justify how long she's been present with the crew because you don't want to acknowledge her unusual presence in the narrative. Instead of saying it could lead to something, your claiming it means nothing and that it was for the sake of fanservice. The reason for that is because it contradicts what you say, hence why I call what you're saying head canon. What you have been doing is construing arguments and hypothetical situations and abilities that doesn't reflect what transpired in the series.
All in all, you're just making stuff up. Read the story.
Nami could definitely do both in dire situations. The panels you provided doesn't negate my hypothesis but you want to believe they do with your own bias. It's basicly what Carrot fans have been doing for years, distorting evidences in their favor. Carrot is a horrible character, she won't join the crew.
I created an alternative setting with minor distinction to demonstrate that Carrot screen time overall had zero impact on the story, she's dead weight.
How is there no basis to my claim when all Carrot's exposition time is being a useless cute mascot. That's why there's is no point to her character. What if she's the Carrot at the end of stick and her fans are all being fooled by Oda, ever considered that?
That's good that im making stuff up cause that's what Carrot for Nakama theories all have been about making stuff up, so we're on the same playing field.
Brook has not done anything that others couldn't have done either. Is he a waste of space? Look I don't even like Carrot, but it's delusional to say she doesn't fit the mold of a Strawhat just because others could have done what she did because that applies to half the crew.
People need to understand that just because they don't like her doesn't mean she's not going to join the crew.
Ok lets see you want to discuss Brook, he was the only one on thriller bark who knew about the Zombies weakness, he has strong ties with Laboon and was the closest to him, Ryuuma had his soul and couldn't kill him so he was able to escape. He also stole a copy of the poneglyphs from Big Mom. If Brook wasn't around the plot would need to change massively.
What's delusional is to think that a character like Carrot who Oda has put no special effort into up until now is eligible to become a Strawhat. When all the crew are so much well thought out and integrated, that's mind blowing.
Nami could definitely do both in dire situations. The panels you provided doesn't negate my hypothesis but you want to believe they do with your own bias. It's basicly what Carrot fans have been doing for years, distorting evidences in their favor. Carrot is a horrible character, she won't join the crew.
I created an alternative setting with minor distinction to demonstrate that Carrot screen time overall had zero impact on the story, she's dead weight.
How is there no basis to my claim when all Carrot's exposition time is being a useless cute mascot. That's why there's is no point to her character. What if she's the Carrot at the end of stick and her fans are all being fooled by Oda, ever considered that?
That's good that im making stuff up cause that's what Carrot for Nakama theories all have been about making stuff up, so we're on the same playing field
Your alternative takes is contradictory to what was already shown in the series. Its because I just showed you what happened, but you ignore it. Your "could have" is entirely based on conditions that I just posted that wasn't possible, but you insist it does. You lack a basis to argue since it relies entirely on your interpretation of events that the story never alluded or shown to using all the while saying that it makes sense. Your initial argument was because Nami can cook from Sanji's recipe book (when she already knows how to cook), she can helm and navigate the ship when never once in the series has Nami helmed the ship.
It's entirely opinionated and it shows that you'd rather ignore what was shown to push a narrative that doesn't exist. And the proof is that you cant prove so in the narrative, hence why I called your claim head canon. If you can't affirm your claims from the things that show up in the story, then that's what it means to have a lack of basis. Because it doesn't exist.
You ignore plot elements that are present, events that actually happened, and remark with bias without proving with stuff from the story. Carrot for Nakama has, you haven't.
Your alternative takes is contradictory to what was already shown in the series. Its because I just showed you what happened, but you ignore it. Your "could have" is entirely based on conditions that I just posted that wasn't possible, but you insist it does. You lack a basis to argue since it relies entirely on your interpretation of events that the story never alluded or shown to using the story to show it makes sense. Your initial argument was because Nami can cook from Sanji's recipe book (when she already knows how to cook), she can helm and navigate the ship when never once in the series has Nami helmed the ship.
It's entirely opinionated and it shows that you'd rather ignore what was shown to push a narrative that doesn't exist. And the proof is that you cant prove so in the narrative, hence why I called your claim head canon. If you can't affirm your claims from the things that show up in the story, then that's what it means to have a lack of basis. Because it doesn't exist.
You ignore plot elements that are present, events that actually happened, and remark with bias without proving with stuff from the story. Carrot for Nakama has, you haven't.
Of course it's different, it's an hypothetical scenario thought experiment by removing Carrot. My original statement is take out Carrot from the story and nothing changes at all. There's nothing in the manga that can disprove my hypothesis in a context(hypothetical scenario) where Carrot is not in the plot. In other words there's nothing shown in the manga or said that stipulate Jinbei cant give directives or a set of instructions to Nami for a short lapse while he takes care of the fleet. Taking the helm of a ship is not rocket science.
I can claim whatever is rational in a context where Carrot is non existent. That's my opinion
Of course it's different, it's an hypothetical scenario thought experiment by removing Carrot. My original statement is take out Carrot from the story and nothing changes at all. There's nothing in the manga that can disprove my hypothesis in a context(hypothetical scenario) where Carrot is not in the plot. In other words there's nothing shown in the manga or said that stipulate Jinbei cant give directives or a set of instructions to Nami for a short lapse while he takes care of the fleet. Taking the helm of a ship is not rocket science.
I can claim whatever is rational in a context where Carrot is non existent. That's my opinion
Except you've been proven wrong every single time you claim such a thing because you'd rather ignore what happened and push a narrative that doesn't exist. And because you interpret it as such, you feel free to say any unsubstantiated claim as a completely valid opinion when some of things you mentioned wasn't even feasibly possible (like Nami helming the ship when she has never done so in the series). And I showed that. Using the story. The fact I and others had to correct you numerous times and you keep creating hypothetical scenarios that lack a basis in the narrative shows that.
Except you've been proven wrong every single time you claim such a thing because you'd rather ignore what happened and push a narrative that doesn't exist. And because you interpret it as such, you feel free to say any unsubstantiated claim as completely valid opinion when some of things you mentioned wasn't even feasibly possible. The fact I and others had to correct you numerous times show that.
Oh but they are feasible, you just don't want it to be due to your Carrot agenda as it would be impossible for you to recognize that she's a useless character. In a context that Carrot is removed from the plot, Jinbei could instruct Nami how to sail the waves most effectively by telling her how the current moves and where to turn the rudder at what precise interval. They are sailing on normal sea waves, its not riding a tsunami and helmsman isn't that relevant that's why Oda gave the Tsunami feat to Jinbei. Don't try to lean on others, i wasn't corrected by anyone and the panel you provided doesn't negate my hypothesis.
Oh but they are feasible, you just don't want it to be due to your Carrot agenda as it would be impossible for you to recognize that she's a useless character. In a context that Carrot is removed from the plot, Jinbei could instruct Nami how to sail the waves most effectively by telling her how the current moves and where to turn the rudder at what precise interval. They are sailing on normal sea waves, its not riding a tsunami and helmsman isn't that relevant that's why Oda gave the Tsunami feat to Jinbei. Don't try to lean on others, i wasn't corrected by anyone and the panel you provided doesn't negate my hypothesis.
Except you're implying because Nami could read currents, she can helm the ship based on the experienced Jinbe's suggestion when she has never helmed the ship in the story, with the Merry nor the Sunny.
Not only that, I just showed you that Jinbe was the only reason the Sunny was able to evade Big Mom and her fleet. Right now you're asserting that Nami could do it when she never has helmed the ship because you're pushing an agenda that removes Carrot from the story and creating hypothetical scenarios that I and others have already said that wouldn't be possible because of several factors, one of them being that Nami has never helmed the ship in the series. However, since you're proposing a hypothetical scenario that doesn't rely on the story to actually prove that point, you think you can say whatever you want. And its because you want to make things up that you can say the things you were corrected on.
Let me reiterate with one of my previous post that showed the incorrect things you said:
Your argument only works because you're running on the bias that Nami would be capable of doing so based off information Jinbe will relay to her last minute when their whole dynamic is that she directs him to the destination, where to go, while he steers. She can't do both and I already posted the panels of that. I'll even do it again:
All you're doing is taking hypothetical approaches to situations and saying Oda "could have" done this, when it directly shows in the story that it was not. You are trying to re-write a narrative that wasn't there and have to resort to placing your own bias on character interpretation for the logic to make sense.
Just like how you said taking Carrot out the story wouldn't change anything, but then @Sakura no Hiluluk and I responded saying:
Seriously... Nothing changes if she's not there ? Come on, give me a break. WCI would have to be entirely different because she saved Nami and Chopper in the Seducing Woods, helped Chopper deal with Brulee and co (and wasn't caught back probablky because of how fast she is), stopped an entire fleet from the BMP by herself in Sulong and generaly speaking was a fun addition.
Haters have no real argument against her, they have to resort to pathetic attacks like you Rootbeer demonstrates here; or selective choice of panels to try and belittle her (Sanji never managed to do more than hold his own against Daifuku's genie for instance). Meanwhile, some will wank Pekoms (a loser compared to Carrot, I'm sorry to say) or even Pedro (who is dead and has far less connections to the crew).
And you all fail to provide a compelling explanation for her presence with the crew. Because in good storytelling, of which Oda has proven to be great at otherwise this forum wouldn't exist, nothing is made at random.
So, I'll ask again : why was Carrot separated from the other Minks on Onigashima ? Was why she the only one who sneaked out to the Sunny ? Why was her personality fundamentaly different from any other girl of some importance in the manga ?
The answer is clearly, plainly, obviously, that Oda wants her to have a significant role in Onigashima and beyond. Most probably (I'd say I'm 85% sure at this point) to join the SH.
If you remove Carrot from the plot, this is what would happen when they arrive to Totland. Though you can make arguments in whatever way you want to imagine that Oda could have restructured what he had already portrayed:
Nami and Chopper would have been taken out early from Randolph (Carrot was the only one who noticed)
While you can make the argument that Chopper could have defeated Brulee and her homie minions, its debatable if he would have gotten Diesel (the character Carrot easily secured), who was the main source of transportation in the mirror world. He allowed them to get Pedro, Jinbe, and Nami as well as her drawings being used to identify said characters.
Her constant role as the lookout, which you can argue anyone could do, was the main way for the characters to be alert of incoming attacks so that they could focus on the job. Carrot so far is the only tag-a-long character that has intentionally performed a role on the ship with the crew consistently.
Her Sulong transformation straight up disabled Daifuku's fleet from pursuing the Sunny for a time so that the crew can continue their course forward.
Just like when you said that what bound her to the story because she was a Mink, but then I stated this as so:
The reason its odd that Carrot is involved is strictly because she wasn't supposed to be there. She wasn't the Mink representative, Pedro was. Go back and read Chapter 822. I can even provide you the pages so you won't conjure up some excuse.
Pedro was the Mink representative and he was selected by Nekomamushi because he was the only one who could calm down Pekoms in the case of a full moon. Pekoms was their guide into Totland as well as the person who would help bypass Big Mom's security. Carrot wasn't the "representative" because her inclusion wasn't necessary.
Then you compared Carrot's role in the story to Tilestone and Peepley Lulu and when I reminded you that they acted under the leadership of Paulie, you said that they only followed him for his charisma. I then posted...
He was the one representing the Galley-La Company.
I'm not a carrot supporter as I think there is only one more Strawhat after Jinbei and I would prefer other characters like Law or Marco, but I gotta say, this argument is basically carrot supporters arguing with a brick wall.
I see supporters post dozens of panels and make several compelling arguments, and then detractors just go "your point is meaningless" without giving reasons why, and then repeat the argument that "all she has is furry tits".
Like at least provide counter arguments and present panels of your own. Honestly it's annoying to watch the people who are against Carrot basically argue by sticking their fingers in their ears and going "lalala I can't hear you".
Except you're implying because Nami could read currents, she can helm the ship based on the experienced Jinbe's suggestion when she has never helmed the ship in the story, with the Merry nor the Sunny.
Not only that, I just showed you that Jinbe was the only reason the Sunny was able to evade Big Mom and her fleet. Right now you're asserting that Nami could when she never has because you're pushing an agenda that removes Carrot from the story and creating hypothetical scenarios that I and others have already said that wouldn't be possible. And its because you want to make things up that you can say the things you were corrected on.
Let me reiterate with one of my previous post that showed the incorrect things you said:
Uh i never said that Nami could read the currents, i even mentioned many times in my comments that she doesn't need to learn Jinbei's skills, he simply needs to tell her the set of instructions to follow while he goes under water. Everyone who has never helmed a ship can helm a ship and Nami is smart so it wouldn't be a problem.
And the evidence you showed doesn't mention that Jinbei at the helm is the only option, it's the main reason yes but not only option(especially considering they are sailing through normal sea waves and not a Tsunami) . You're appropriating yourself the panels and twisting their narrative your way when nothing negates my hypothesis. Where does it say in the manga that Jinbei can't give a set of directions and sea currents position to Nami, then go out a couple minute and come back. Nami gave indications to Jinbei for the wind, Jinbei can do the same for sea currents and stirring so she can replace him for a short period of time. My reasoning is perfectly logical, prove me otherwise. It's hard to accept that Carrot is a useless character
First off, Nami pulling off what Jinbei did in WCI is utterly absurd, and if you really think it's possible, you are lying to yourself.
But the argument is pointless anyway because it doesn't matter if there was another way it could have been done. Jinbei didn't destroy the fleet, Carrot did. Hypothetical alternate stories do not take away from the fact that Carrot was the one who did it. Oda gave her that role. Like I said above, pretty much everything Brook has done could have been done by someone else, but he ended up joining anyway.
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