General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Uncle Van]

Nah I don’t think it’s that complicated, Yamato is just a reflection of Momo from the villains side. A kid with a separate will from his father who took on appearances from their fathers enemy. Yamato wishes to become Oden while Momo literally can become a dragon

In a sense Momo is the son Kaido always wanted, while Yamato would be a person that could continue Oden’s legacy of sea traveling

Main themes of Wano is loyalty and letting go of the past.

Orochi for example was loyal to the Kozukis until he discovered his lineage. Because of what happened to his family in the past, Orochi immediately turned on the Kozukis and plunged Wano into terror. Despite being loyal to Kaido for like 25 years, Kaido betrayed him in a heartbeat.

Oden is portrayed as a ghost from the past. Everyone talks about Oden and gets compared to him like the Scabbards, Momo etc. Momo and some of the Scabbards literally jumped to the future but only looks at the past. The Scabbards couldn't let go of the fact that Oden was dead so they lost to Kaido and was repeatedly fooled by Kanjuro.

Yamato has to let go of Oden. She isnt Oden. Her development is likely getting rid of the Oden madness and realizing that she wants to sail the seas because she wants to, not because of Oden.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Still don't buy the idea that Oda will do turn exact opposite of what he has done for 24 years for every single SH, just for Carrot.

She will be the only SHs that was happy without conflict their whole life and without any integral arc focus.

and honestly it’s hilarious that Carrot4nakama fans keep pushing about color theory, role theory, but never once mentioned about alphabet theory. SHs have already had Chopper, and it’s not rocket science to know that Chopper & Carrot both have “C” as initial alphabet for their names.

 

[Un-amed]

and honestly it’s hilarious that Carrot4nakama fans keep pushing about color theory, role theory, but never once mentioned about alphabet theory. SHs have already had Chopper, and it’s not rocket science to know that Chopper & Carrot both have “C” as initial alphabet for their names.

Because the Color theory is a Narrative scheme because each colour represents a personality, while the alphabet theory is still valid it doesn't mean anything, and more valid is the fruit theory, but you don't like it xD

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

Because the Color theory is a Narrative scheme because each colour represents a personality, while the alphabet theory is still valid it doesn't mean anything, and more valid is the fruit theory, but you don't like it xD

So you take theories which benefit Carrot’s chance, but ignore theories that harm Carrot’s chance. Double standard again, as usual. Still won’t change facts that until now there is no SH with same initial letter. Even Vivi & Karoo have different initial name with existing Straw Hats.

 

[Roo]

Main themes of Wano is loyalty and letting go of the past.

Orochi for example was loyal to the Kozukis until he discovered his lineage. Because of what happened to his family in the past, Orochi immediately turned on the Kozukis and plunged Wano into terror. Despite being loyal to Kaido for like 25 years, Kaido betrayed him in a heartbeat.

Oden is portrayed as a ghost from the past. Everyone talks about Oden and gets compared to him like the Scabbards, Momo etc. Momo and some of the Scabbards literally jumped to the future but only looks at the past. The Scabbards couldn't let go of the fact that Oden was dead so they lost to Kaido and was repeatedly fooled by Kanjuro.

Yamato has to let go of Oden. She isnt Oden. Her development is likely getting rid of the Oden madness and realizing that she wants to sail the seas because she wants to, not because of Oden.

Of course she will let go of the Oden cosplay, but she will still inherit his will and love for adventure

 

[Jew D. Boy]

So you take theories which benefit Carrot’s chance, but ignore theories that harm Carrot’s chance. Double standard again, as usual. Still won’t change facts that until now there is no SH with same initial letter. Even Vivi & Karoo have different initial name with existing Straw Hats.

Like we see time and again from them, it all somehow “works” for Carrot specifically, because Oda’s been setting up such a long game with her that he probably intended for her to be the original captain of the crew or whatever they’re gonna say next. Any piece of evidence that could support both Carrot and Yamato is illegitimate because they say so, a tactic you might recognize from third-grade recess and a series of child bullies who hurt others so they don’t get hurt first. Sadder and sadder every God damn day in this thread…

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

You guys are taking this too seriously

Here for you

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Wano Panel Time (909-1021):

Spoiler

>1. Luffy: 1152
>2. Zoro: 622
>3. Kin'emon: 560
>4. Kaido: 532
>5. Oden: 428
>6. Kiku: 409
>7. Sanji: 362
>8. Nami: 331
>9. Kawamatsu: 327
>10. Momo: 325
>11. Linlin: 323
>12. Tama: 298
>13. Law: 270
>14. Queen: 268
>15. Orochi: 260
>16. Denjiro: 255
>17. Raizo: 250
>18. Hyogoro: 247
>18. Shinobu: 247
>20. Hiyori: 243
>21. Usopp: 240
>22. Robin: 231
>23. Ashura: 230
>24. Franky: 229
>25. Chopper: 222
>26. Inu: 221
>27. Kanjuro: 213
>28. Kid: 196
>29. Yamato: 190
>30. Neko: 185
>31. Brook: 146
>32. Ulti: 143
>33. Jinbe: 129
>33. Killer: 129
>35. Hawkins: 126
>36. Marco: 121
>37. Yasu: 118
>38. Black Maria: 112
>39. Page One: 109
>40. Toko: 105
>41. Sasaki: 103
>42. Drake: 98
>42. Izo: 98
>44. Onimaru: 97
>45. Who's Who: 91
>46. Toki: 89
>47. King: 86
>48. Roger: 83
>48. Carrot: 83
>50. Apoo: 79

Yeah... Carrot is not joining.

Just making sure everyone sees this, looks like the usual suspects wrote at least 10K words since this was posted but somehow never addressed the fact that Carrot’s gotten less screen time than Onimaru or Toko (both of whom already had stronger cases to join than she did). Once again, it’s funny how the overwhelming mountains of evidence against this rabbit don’t matter to our furry friends, just the one or two circumstantial pieces in her favor from five years ago.

 

[Uncle Van]

Just making sure everyone sees this, looks like the usual suspects wrote at least 10K words since this was posted but somehow never addressed the fact that Carrot’s gotten less screen time than Onimaru or Toko (both of whom already had stronger cases to join than she did). Once again, it’s funny how the overwhelming mountains of evidence against this rabbit don’t matter to our furry friends, just the one or two circumstantial pieces in her favor from five years ago.

No one also ever addressed the dilemma of Carrot being happy in her past with no conflict. The SHs are all therapeutic rejects who would to have the Carrot life.

All they say is Pedro or that you a Carrot hater.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

No one also ever addressed the dilemma of Carrot being happy in her past with no conflict. The SHs are all therapeutic rejects who would to have the Carrot life.

All they say is Pedro or that you a Carrot hater.

Hard to answer a question when you know whatever you say is wrong…keeping their mouths shut for once is just about the closest any of them get to self-awareness

 

[Un-amed]

So you take theories which benefit Carrot’s chance, but ignore theories that harm Carrot’s chance. Double standard again, as usual. Still won’t change facts that until now there is no SH with same initial letter. Even Vivi & Karoo have different initial name with existing Straw Hats.

OK, there's a huge difference on "One is a Narrative tool, and is actually used by almost any guionist/writer on every anime and manga" and, "i only choose Carrot's one because i prefere it..." OFC Carrot doesn't have every theory on her favour... But the one that has on her favour is actually stronger than the alphabet one for Logical reasons.
Oda himself had issues on Jinbe's colors, that's the proof of Oda using this scheme...

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

OK, there's a huge difference on "One is a Narrative tool, and is actually used by almost any guionist/writer on every anime and manga" and, "i only choose Carrot's one because i prefere it..." OFC Carrot doesn't have every theory on her favour... But the one that has on her favour is actually stronger than the alphabet one for Logical reasons.
Oda himself had issues on Jinbe's colors, that's the proof of Oda using this scheme...

yet it has already been debunked with your own post, that back then only official SHs stick with their specific color, and Hancock & Sabo changed color which means that everyone outside of SHs still can change color from time to time. Let me remind you if you forgot, or trying to forget:

So the color theory is stronger than alphabet theory because it favors Carrot? Stop being a huge L, it only makes you look dumber and dumberer.

 

[Un-amed]

yet it has already been debunked with your own post, that back then only official SHs stick with their specific color, and Hancock & Sabo changed color which means that everyone outside of SHs still can change color from time to time. Let me remind you if you forgot, or trying to forget:

So the color theory is stronger than alphabet theory because it favors Carrot? Stop being a huge L, it only makes you look dumber and dumberer.

That doesn't debunks a shit, because Oda doesn't make that things. Oda does the COVERS and he assings some color to the characters, Carrot is Lime. One of the missing colours.

Stop acting like if Carrot doesnt have any chance, or nothing on her favour, you're just proving you're a hater of the character.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

That doesn't debunks a shit, because Oda doesn't make that things. Oda does the COVERS and he assings some color to the characters, Carrot is Lime. One of the missing colours.

Stop acting like if Carrot doesnt have any chance, or nothing on her favour, you're just proving you're a hater of the character.

“Oda doesn’t make that things.” “Oda does the covers” again, double standard as shit. You were the one who posted that anyway, I was just reminding you. I can say that Oda doesn’t make the result page for the 1st world popularity poll, and Oda never stated himself in any SBS or Vivre Card that Carrot’s color is Lime because she’s not a Straw Hat & currently Oda don’t give two shits on her. You can choose either be delusional or stupid but don’t be greedy & take both.

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No one also ever addressed the dilemma of Carrot being happy in her past with no conflict. The SHs are all therapeutic rejects who would to have the Carrot life.

All they say is Pedro or that you a Carrot hater.

not even 1 x 24 hours they use the “C4rR0T H4t3R” card on me. Totally not surprising

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Like we see time and again from them, it all somehow “works” for Carrot specifically, because Oda’s been setting up such a long game with her that he probably intended for her to be the original captain of the crew or whatever they’re gonna say next. Any piece of evidence that could support both Carrot and Yamato is illegitimate because they say so, a tactic you might recognize from third-grade recess and a series of child bullies who hurt others so they don’t get hurt first. Sadder and sadder every God damn day in this thread…

Desperate times, desperate measures. They can’t take the huge L on them so all they do is attacking, and when being countered, play the victim card. Too desperate to think with common sense, which I doubt if they have any.

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Wano Panel Time (909-1021):

Spoiler

>1. Luffy: 1152
>2. Zoro: 622
>3. Kin'emon: 560
>4. Kaido: 532
>5. Oden: 428
>6. Kiku: 409
>7. Sanji: 362
>8. Nami: 331
>9. Kawamatsu: 327
>10. Momo: 325
>11. Linlin: 323
>12. Tama: 298
>13. Law: 270
>14. Queen: 268
>15. Orochi: 260
>16. Denjiro: 255
>17. Raizo: 250
>18. Hyogoro: 247
>18. Shinobu: 247
>20. Hiyori: 243
>21. Usopp: 240
>22. Robin: 231
>23. Ashura: 230
>24. Franky: 229
>25. Chopper: 222
>26. Inu: 221
>27. Kanjuro: 213
>28. Kid: 196
>29. Yamato: 190
>30. Neko: 185
>31. Brook: 146
>32. Ulti: 143
>33. Jinbe: 129
>33. Killer: 129
>35. Hawkins: 126
>36. Marco: 121
>37. Yasu: 118
>38. Black Maria: 112
>39. Page One: 109
>40. Toko: 105
>41. Sasaki: 103
>42. Drake: 98
>42. Izo: 98
>44. Onimaru: 97
>45. Who's Who: 91
>46. Toki: 89
>47. King: 86
>48. Roger: 83
>48. Carrot: 83
>50. Apoo: 79

Yeah... Carrot is not joining.

SHE IS! You must be a C4rR0T H4t3R!

 

[Roosta]

Here are the toasts for new members. Chopper:

Franky and Robin:

+

Brook:

Jimbei didn't get one, as Luffy wants to wait:

IMO this is the most convincing evidence that the crew will change by the end of Wano.

 

[Staticshadic]

Here are the toasts for new members. Chopper:

Franky and Robin:

+

Brook:

Jimbei didn't get one, as Luffy wants to wait:

IMO this is the most convincing evidence that the crew will change by the end of Wano.

Don’t forget about chapter 41

 

[Roosta]

Don’t forget about chapter 41

Oh, I stopped at Sanji because I couldn't find one for him... He joined when Nami was gone, then they just had the party at the end of Arlong Park, with no explicit toast. Thanks!

 

[Staticshadic]

Oh, I stopped at Sanji because I couldn't find one for him... He joined when Nami was gone, then they just had the party at the end of Arlong Park, with no explicit toast. Thanks!

chapter 41 basically when ussop left the village and toast with Zoro, Nami, including new crew member ussop

 

[thedarkdragon11]

If Yamato satys on Wano, it'll be to highlight that Wano has "opened up", that the natives are able to stop their bloody feuds.

This would actually be a nice highlight, but not with Yamato as it would be a conflict with her being a prisoner for a long time... Tama has her army of non-Tobiroppo headliners and below, they are the best representation of this... If Tama is a Kurozumi then that would be an icing to this cake...

 

[Kai. Do]

Tbh the Yamato vs Carrot Debate is really quite one sided imo.

Every straw hat who joined were main characters in a arc, most of the time it was in the arc they were introduced.

The only exceptions where oda strayed from this pattern of writing was for Robin and Jinbe.

Robin joined at the end of the Alabasta Arc and had her character arc done and ended in the Enies Lobby Arc.

Jinbe was introduced in the Impel Down Arc, had his character Arc in the Post Time Skip Fishman Island Arc, became a Straw Hat in the WCI Arc, and joined in the Wano Arc.

Carrot even now is still a side character, who was introduced all the way back in Zou and never became a main character in the Zou Arc, nor the WCI Arc, and with her having to share her fight against Perospero (a previous Arc's side character) with Wanda (a previous Arc's side character) now in the Wano Arc, it just doesn't spell Next Nakama to me.

With the way the Wano Arc has been going and the absence of Carrot however many chapters ago, Oda would need to squeeze in Carrot's writing, along with a multi chapter flashback into the Wano Arc- and i just don't see where Oda can squeeze this in anymore in a arc that is already filled with so many other important characters and important plot points, so that Carrot's multi chapter flashback can stand out and feel memorable and not forgettable. It also doesn't help that Carrot right now is currently unconscious and hasn't appeared in the manga for many chapters now.

I also don't see Oda postponing Carrot's Arc to another Arc post Wano, when Jinbe has already joined and officially become a member in the current Wano Arc. Jack, Perospero and the Beast Pirates, the mink's and Carrot's enemies, would also not be available in the arc after Wano.

If Carrot really is the better next Straw Hat candidate than Yamato, then Oda would've done Carrot's multiple chapter character Arc in WCI, where Carrot's Sulong transformation and Pedro's death was still fresh in everybody's mind. That was the apex and high point of Carrot's writing in the manga, and Oda didn't do it.

Even if Yamato wasn't introduced at the start of the Wano Arc, hell even if Yamato's character and backstory isn't completed in the Wano Arc- it would still be way better than Carrot's who hasn't done hers in the span of what is now 2 and a half arcs now.

If Carrot were to join instead of Yamato, Oda would still need to write Carrot's arc and her fleshed out backstory that is still missing from the manga, and a Post Wano Carrot Character Arc just isn't as compelling as a Yamato Wano War Arc involving Kaido, Big Mom and the other Supernovas.

Dunking on Yamato and creating all these 'artificial barriers' and obscure 'criteria' like the ridiculous Colour Pattern Theory or Yamato 'stay in Wano' Takeru Theory does nothing in improving Carrot's argument in terms of her writing, focus and characterization as a potential next Straw Hat, something that Carrot is sorely lacking in and needs right now. It just exposes how lacking of character focus and writing Carrot has had when you need to resort to using elements outside the actual manga to argue against another Straw hat candidate. Even worse is when the poorly thought out Yamato won't or can't join theories or arguments get debunked and disproven by the manga chapters themselves.