Chapter Discussion Official English Translation Of "Controversial" Part Of This Chapter
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Where is @Fenaker at with his Arabic translations that he uses to undermine the official translation all the time, and the rest of the Z-boys praise him for it...... Surely he can set this straight.... 
Coming back to this thread like
I missed a lot so I'll just be condensing everything into this one post.
The thing is, here we have 3 different sources (Now others are saying the French and Arabic translations are also similar to them, so that's 5) saying the same thing, with the Official English Translation being the only different one. I know translations will not be exactly the same in order to flow smoothly in the language it's being translated to but the meaning shouldn't be changed. Sure, the official translation is trustworthy and correct in general but that doesn't free them of making mistakes.
That is not to say that the English Viz translation completely changed the meaning here (For Queen's dialogue) as some people in this thread are telling me that the English VIZ translation means the same thing as the other translations and I just have low comprehension skills. Maybe that is so, but I saw a lot of people using this translation to prove Queen is referring to both Drake and Zoro with his statement, which is why I made this thread since other translations seem to make it clearer.
(Also, people are just mentioning the Queen dialogue but are ignoring chapter 993 translations that I included as well
)
I've already confirmed with Sandman (Who is Japanese) and he said Queen's statement refers to Zoro and Sanji. And like someone else posted in this thread, that seems to be the case with several other Japanese people as well. Also for the 2 people who care, in chapter 993 Luffy saying him and Sanji doing it together would only take 3 seconds is correct.
For the people asking what's my purpose for making this thread.
And lastly for the people asking why I'm making big things out of nothing, or nitpicking, or being salty weeeell... so? This is a forum to discuss One Piece isn't it. I wanted to make a thread to clarify and salt over these translations and I did just that. And no this isn't a power levels thing, I don't involve myself in that mess which is why I won't be replying to anyone bout that.
I missed a lot so I'll just be condensing everything into this one post.
The thing is, here we have 3 different sources (Now others are saying the French and Arabic translations are also similar to them, so that's 5) saying the same thing, with the Official English Translation being the only different one. I know translations will not be exactly the same in order to flow smoothly in the language it's being translated to but the meaning shouldn't be changed. Sure, the official translation is trustworthy and correct in general but that doesn't free them of making mistakes.
That is not to say that the English Viz translation completely changed the meaning here (For Queen's dialogue) as some people in this thread are telling me that the English VIZ translation means the same thing as the other translations and I just have low comprehension skills. Maybe that is so, but I saw a lot of people using this translation to prove Queen is referring to both Drake and Zoro with his statement, which is why I made this thread since other translations seem to make it clearer.
(Also, people are just mentioning the Queen dialogue but are ignoring chapter 993 translations that I included as well
)I've already confirmed with Sandman (Who is Japanese) and he said Queen's statement refers to Zoro and Sanji. And like someone else posted in this thread, that seems to be the case with several other Japanese people as well. Also for the 2 people who care, in chapter 993 Luffy saying him and Sanji doing it together would only take 3 seconds is correct.
For the people asking what's my purpose for making this thread.
Well, that is caused by these three instances. So being a Sanji fan it is no surprise that I hyper-focus on him, and for the last few chapters, I wasn't a fan of some translation choices I've noticed.
1) Chapter 991:
Translation: "Usopp, I leave my Nami-san to you ♡"
I was kinda disappointed as a SaNa fan when seeing the VIZ translation at first because for the first time in 900 chapters Sanji refers to Nami like that. The reason I didn't mention it in this thread was because I was told that saying "My Nami" would sound awkward in English, which is fair I guess. I still think "My darling Nami" could've worked but oh well its not a big deal so I forgot about it.
2) Chapter 993:
Translation:
Luffy: With those numbers, if it’s just you, it’d take a lot of time
Sanji: Shut up! I’ll finish it in 10 secs. Still got a problem with that!?
Luffy: If I help it’d only take 3
Jinbe: Fishman Karate
As a fan of both Sanji and Luffy who adores their relationship, I was fairly disappointed that they've got this translation wrong. It's not in Luffy's character to put Sanji down, he very often compliments him in fact. So yes, this might seem to be a minor mistake but its still pretty annoying to me.
3) Chapter 995:
Translation:
Queen: So that's Ronoroa Zoro....
Queen: It'd be best to crush their 2nd and 3rd best fighters as quickly as possible........
Queen: Still...to think that Judge's son was part of their crew...
Queen: Vinsmoke Judge...
So this one made people dunk on my comprehension skills, which is fair enough. But several people in this forum used the VIZ English translation as proof for their own "Drake narratives" when they couldn't do the same with other translations. Which was also annoying. So the cumulation of these 3 panels made me do this thread.
1) Chapter 991:
Translation: "Usopp, I leave my Nami-san to you ♡"
I was kinda disappointed as a SaNa fan when seeing the VIZ translation at first because for the first time in 900 chapters Sanji refers to Nami like that. The reason I didn't mention it in this thread was because I was told that saying "My Nami" would sound awkward in English, which is fair I guess. I still think "My darling Nami" could've worked but oh well its not a big deal so I forgot about it.
2) Chapter 993:
Translation:
Luffy: With those numbers, if it’s just you, it’d take a lot of time
Sanji: Shut up! I’ll finish it in 10 secs. Still got a problem with that!?
Luffy: If I help it’d only take 3
Jinbe: Fishman Karate
As a fan of both Sanji and Luffy who adores their relationship, I was fairly disappointed that they've got this translation wrong. It's not in Luffy's character to put Sanji down, he very often compliments him in fact. So yes, this might seem to be a minor mistake but its still pretty annoying to me.
3) Chapter 995:
Translation:
Queen: So that's Ronoroa Zoro....
Queen: It'd be best to crush their 2nd and 3rd best fighters as quickly as possible........
Queen: Still...to think that Judge's son was part of their crew...
Queen: Vinsmoke Judge...
So this one made people dunk on my comprehension skills, which is fair enough. But several people in this forum used the VIZ English translation as proof for their own "Drake narratives" when they couldn't do the same with other translations. Which was also annoying. So the cumulation of these 3 panels made me do this thread.
And lastly for the people asking why I'm making big things out of nothing, or nitpicking, or being salty weeeell... so? This is a forum to discuss One Piece isn't it. I wanted to make a thread to clarify and salt over these translations and I did just that. And no this isn't a power levels thing, I don't involve myself in that mess which is why I won't be replying to anyone bout that.
Coming back to this thread like
I missed a lot so I'll just be condensing everything into this one post.
The thing is, here we have 3 different sources (Now others are saying the French and Arabic translations are also similar to them, so that's 5) saying the same thing, with the Official English Translation being the only different one. I know translations will not be exactly the same in order to flow smoothly in the language it's being translated to but the meaning shouldn't be changed. Sure, the official translation is trustworthy and correct in general but that doesn't free them of making mistakes.
That is not to say that the English Viz translation completely changed the meaning here (For Queen's dialogue) as some people in this thread are telling me that the English VIZ translation means the same thing as the other translations and I just have low comprehension skills. Maybe that is so, but I saw a lot of people using this translation to prove Queen is referring to both Drake and Zoro with his statement, which is why I made this thread since other translations seem to make it clearer.
(Also, people are just mentioning the Queen dialogue but are ignoring chapter 993 translations that I included as well)
I've already confirmed with Sandman (Who is Japanese) and he said Queen's statement refers to Zoro and Sanji. And like someone else posted in this thread, that seems to be the case with several other Japanese people as well. Also for the 2 people who care, in chapter 993 Luffy saying him and Sanji doing it together would only take 3 seconds is correct.
For the people asking what's my purpose for making this thread.
And lastly for the people asking why I'm making big things out of nothing, or nitpicking, or being salty weeeell... so? This is a forum to discuss One Piece isn't it. I wanted to make a thread to clarify and salt over these translations and I did just that. And no this isn't a power levels thing, I don't involve myself in that mess which is why I won't be replying to anyone bout that.
I missed a lot so I'll just be condensing everything into this one post.
The thing is, here we have 3 different sources (Now others are saying the French and Arabic translations are also similar to them, so that's 5) saying the same thing, with the Official English Translation being the only different one. I know translations will not be exactly the same in order to flow smoothly in the language it's being translated to but the meaning shouldn't be changed. Sure, the official translation is trustworthy and correct in general but that doesn't free them of making mistakes.
That is not to say that the English Viz translation completely changed the meaning here (For Queen's dialogue) as some people in this thread are telling me that the English VIZ translation means the same thing as the other translations and I just have low comprehension skills. Maybe that is so, but I saw a lot of people using this translation to prove Queen is referring to both Drake and Zoro with his statement, which is why I made this thread since other translations seem to make it clearer.
(Also, people are just mentioning the Queen dialogue but are ignoring chapter 993 translations that I included as well
)I've already confirmed with Sandman (Who is Japanese) and he said Queen's statement refers to Zoro and Sanji. And like someone else posted in this thread, that seems to be the case with several other Japanese people as well. Also for the 2 people who care, in chapter 993 Luffy saying him and Sanji doing it together would only take 3 seconds is correct.
For the people asking what's my purpose for making this thread.
Well, that is caused by these three instances. So being a Sanji fan it is no surprise that I hyper-focus on him, and for the last few chapters, I wasn't a fan of some translation choices I've noticed.
1) Chapter 991:
Translation: "Usopp, I leave my Nami-san to you ♡"
I was kinda disappointed as a SaNa fan when seeing the VIZ translation at first because for the first time in 900 chapters Sanji refers to Nami like that. The reason I didn't mention it in this thread was because I was told that saying "My Nami" would sound awkward in English, which is fair I guess. I still think "My darling Nami" could've worked but oh well its not a big deal so I forgot about it.
2) Chapter 993:
Translation:
Luffy: With those numbers, if it’s just you, it’d take a lot of time
Sanji: Shut up! I’ll finish it in 10 secs. Still got a problem with that!?
Luffy: If I help it’d only take 3
Jinbe: Fishman Karate
As a fan of both Sanji and Luffy who adores their relationship, I was fairly disappointed that they've got this translation wrong. It's not in Luffy's character to put Sanji down, he very often compliments him in fact. So yes, this might seem to be a minor mistake but its still pretty annoying to me.
3) Chapter 995:
Translation:
Queen: So that's Ronoroa Zoro....
Queen: It'd be best to crush their 2nd and 3rd best fighters as quickly as possible........
Queen: Still...to think that Judge's son was part of their crew...
Queen: Vinsmoke Judge...
So this one made people dunk on my comprehension skills, which is fair enough. But several people in this forum used the VIZ English translation as proof for their own "Drake narratives" when they couldn't do the same with other translations. Which was also annoying. So the cumulation of these 3 panels made me do this thread.
1) Chapter 991:
Translation: "Usopp, I leave my Nami-san to you ♡"
I was kinda disappointed as a SaNa fan when seeing the VIZ translation at first because for the first time in 900 chapters Sanji refers to Nami like that. The reason I didn't mention it in this thread was because I was told that saying "My Nami" would sound awkward in English, which is fair I guess. I still think "My darling Nami" could've worked but oh well its not a big deal so I forgot about it.
2) Chapter 993:
Translation:
Luffy: With those numbers, if it’s just you, it’d take a lot of time
Sanji: Shut up! I’ll finish it in 10 secs. Still got a problem with that!?
Luffy: If I help it’d only take 3
Jinbe: Fishman Karate
As a fan of both Sanji and Luffy who adores their relationship, I was fairly disappointed that they've got this translation wrong. It's not in Luffy's character to put Sanji down, he very often compliments him in fact. So yes, this might seem to be a minor mistake but its still pretty annoying to me.
3) Chapter 995:
Translation:
Queen: So that's Ronoroa Zoro....
Queen: It'd be best to crush their 2nd and 3rd best fighters as quickly as possible........
Queen: Still...to think that Judge's son was part of their crew...
Queen: Vinsmoke Judge...
So this one made people dunk on my comprehension skills, which is fair enough. But several people in this forum used the VIZ English translation as proof for their own "Drake narratives" when they couldn't do the same with other translations. Which was also annoying. So the cumulation of these 3 panels made me do this thread.
And lastly for the people asking why I'm making big things out of nothing, or nitpicking, or being salty weeeell... so? This is a forum to discuss One Piece isn't it. I wanted to make a thread to clarify and salt over these translations and I did just that. And no this isn't a power levels thing, I don't involve myself in that mess which is why I won't be replying to anyone bout that.
@HA001 @nik87 take your Ls
Yes, SHs bounties because he was looking for the guy next to Drake and he cant find Zoro's bounty anywhere else than among SH ones.
He wouldnt be looking at Drake's bounty because he already knows him, very well. Use your brain.
He mentions Drake, mentions Zoro and says 2nd and 3rd.
Then he comments on the Vinsmoke name, separately, unrelated to strength.
Yes, on the battlefield and who is 2nd and 3rd strongest on that battlefield?
So what? He listed both of them in this chapter because he sees display of their strength in this chapter when they chase Apoo.
He never saw Sanji in his life, the only reason he mentions him is Judge's surname.
Strongest enemy forces are not just Queen's priority, it is everyone's priority. Logic not found. 
@Glasses @Chrono No amount of translations will change the fact that Queen released the plague on Drake and Zoro while Sanji is not even on that battlefield so he is certainly not trying to take Sanji out while he is trying to take out Drake and Zoro.
He wouldnt be looking at Drake's bounty because he already knows him, very well. Use your brain.
He mentions Drake, mentions Zoro and says 2nd and 3rd.
Then he comments on the Vinsmoke name, separately, unrelated to strength.
Yes, on the battlefield and who is 2nd and 3rd strongest on that battlefield?
So what? He listed both of them in this chapter because he sees display of their strength in this chapter when they chase Apoo.
He never saw Sanji in his life, the only reason he mentions him is Judge's surname.
It's kind of funny how same people who were arguing that nothing links Zoro with Queen to dismiss Zoro fighting him instead of King, are now going hard claiming that Zoro is Queen's top priority 
@Glasses @Chrono No amount of translations will change the fact that Queen released the plague on Drake and Zoro while Sanji is not even on that battlefield so he is certainly not trying to take Sanji out while he is trying to take out Drake and Zoro.
Yes, SHs bounties because he was looking for the guy next to Drake and he cant find Zoro's bounty anywhere else than among SH ones.
He wouldnt be looking at Drake's bounty because he already knows him, very well. Use your brain.
He mentions Drake, mentions Zoro and says 2nd and 3rd.
Then he comments on the Vinsmoke name, separately, unrelated to strength.
Yes, on the battlefield and who is 2nd and 3rd strongest on that battlefield?
So what? He listed both of them in this chapter because he sees display of their strength in this chapter when they chase Apoo.
He never saw Sanji in his life, the only reason he mentions him is Judge's surname.
Strongest enemy forces are not just Queen's priority, it is everyone's priority. Logic not found.
@Glasses @Chrono No amount of translations will change the fact that Queen released the plague on Drake and Zoro while Sanji is not even on that battlefield so he is certainly not trying to take Sanji out while he is trying to take out Drake and Zoro.
He wouldnt be looking at Drake's bounty because he already knows him, very well. Use your brain.
He mentions Drake, mentions Zoro and says 2nd and 3rd.
Then he comments on the Vinsmoke name, separately, unrelated to strength.
Yes, on the battlefield and who is 2nd and 3rd strongest on that battlefield?
So what? He listed both of them in this chapter because he sees display of their strength in this chapter when they chase Apoo.
He never saw Sanji in his life, the only reason he mentions him is Judge's surname.
Strongest enemy forces are not just Queen's priority, it is everyone's priority. Logic not found.
@Glasses @Chrono No amount of translations will change the fact that Queen released the plague on Drake and Zoro while Sanji is not even on that battlefield so he is certainly not trying to take Sanji out while he is trying to take out Drake and Zoro.
This you ?
You shouldve never spoke.
Credit to @Celestial D. Dragon for baiting this dude out
You shouldve never spoke.
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Credit to @Celestial D. Dragon for baiting this dude out
2- also the same thing i took my L because @T.D.A said the same thing .
in naruto forum i saw @T.D.A talking about a debat about translation happened between Artur and stephen paul and he got embrassed i went to arlong park to read their conversations after reading paul posts i adknowledged my lack of experiences and me trying to post those posts whereas translations need a lot of things i took my L and u won't even find me doing that afterwards but can u adknoweldge ur L like me and be an honest one Sanji tard after u got embrassed with this chapter
Who cares about Sandman when manga shows facts that Queen is targetting Zoro and Drake while Sanji is nowhere to be seen?
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B-but stephen said... Sandman is literally a native japanese speaker who grew up and lives in Japan. 
1- the first one i got a massive L because @T.D.A said it can be read both ways .
2- also the same thing i took my L because @T.D.A said the same thing .
in naruto forum i saw @T.D.A talking about a debat about translation happened between Artur and stephen paul and he got embrassed i went to arlong park to read their conversations after reading paul posts i adknowledged my lack of experiences and me trying to post those posts whereas translations need a lot of things i took my L and u won't even find me doing that afterwards but can u adknoweldge ur L like me and be an honest one Sanji tard after u got embrassed with this chapter
2- also the same thing i took my L because @T.D.A said the same thing .
in naruto forum i saw @T.D.A talking about a debat about translation happened between Artur and stephen paul and he got embrassed i went to arlong park to read their conversations after reading paul posts i adknowledged my lack of experiences and me trying to post those posts whereas translations need a lot of things i took my L and u won't even find me doing that afterwards but can u adknoweldge ur L like me and be an honest one Sanji tard after u got embrassed with this chapter
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@Chrono chan can't adknowledge taking his L like me typical sanji tards
Stephans translation doesnt imply Sanji isnt Number 2 or 3. Plus Sandman interprets it as Sanji being number 2 or 3.
You just showed how much of a wishy washy hypocrite you are....and you didnt accept any Ls. You just kept quiet and ran away
Yes, SHs bounties because he was looking for the guy next to Drake and he cant find Zoro's bounty anywhere else than among SH ones.
He wouldnt be looking at Drake's bounty because he already knows him, very well. Use your brain.
He mentions Drake, mentions Zoro and says 2nd and 3rd.
Then he comments on the Vinsmoke name, separately, unrelated to strength.
Yes, on the battlefield and who is 2nd and 3rd strongest on that battlefield?
So what? He listed both of them in this chapter because he sees display of their strength in this chapter when they chase Apoo.
He never saw Sanji in his life, the only reason he mentions him is Judge's surname.
Strongest enemy forces are not just Queen's priority, it is everyone's priority. Logic not found.
@Glasses @Chrono No amount of translations will change the fact that Queen released the plague on Drake and Zoro while Sanji is not even on that battlefield so he is certainly not trying to take Sanji out while he is trying to take out Drake and Zoro.
He wouldnt be looking at Drake's bounty because he already knows him, very well. Use your brain.
He mentions Drake, mentions Zoro and says 2nd and 3rd.
Then he comments on the Vinsmoke name, separately, unrelated to strength.
Yes, on the battlefield and who is 2nd and 3rd strongest on that battlefield?
So what? He listed both of them in this chapter because he sees display of their strength in this chapter when they chase Apoo.
He never saw Sanji in his life, the only reason he mentions him is Judge's surname.
Strongest enemy forces are not just Queen's priority, it is everyone's priority. Logic not found.
@Glasses @Chrono No amount of translations will change the fact that Queen released the plague on Drake and Zoro while Sanji is not even on that battlefield so he is certainly not trying to take Sanji out while he is trying to take out Drake and Zoro.
The 2nd/3rd strongest applies to Zoro and X Drake because they are down there where the Plague is in effect, so they must have been targeted.
They must have been targeted because Queen now says that it's best to take out the 2nd/3rd strongest as fast as possible.
He knew that they were the 2nd/3rd strongest and he targeted them because he can now see them display their strength while chasing Apoo.
Even while ignoring that Luff, Sanji, Jimbe were down there initially when Queen unleashed his Plague and only moved onwards because Sanji told Luffy to not waste with it, your whole reasoning does not even account for the order in which the events happen.
You just casually take stuff from the future and use it as causation/trigger of past events
Queen simply targeted X Drake because he was a runaway traitor. He unleahsed the Plague on everyone down there.
This chapter Queen only comments of X Drake as a traitor. Tries to find out who Zoro is after seeing him alongside X Drake, and after finding Zoro's bounty says that it's best to take out first the No2/No3 of a crew. Him holding Zoro's and Sanji's bounty posters tells us who said No2/No3 are.
Let me understand....
The translators from japan talk about Sanji and Zolo.
The op forums in japan talk about the same thing...
or 10 ***** from wg who talks about drake and Zolo.
Hmm, who to believe?
Sanji's trolls from wg, or literally the japanese fanbase+translators?
Yeah right I will belive the wg trolls on this one, seems rational.
The translators from japan talk about Sanji and Zolo.
The op forums in japan talk about the same thing...
or 10 ***** from wg who talks about drake and Zolo.
Hmm, who to believe?
Sanji's trolls from wg, or literally the japanese fanbase+translators?
Yeah right I will belive the wg trolls on this one, seems rational.
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