Questions & Mysteries Old Gen Marines seem a lot strongee than current Marines

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Idk man Roger's got a supreme grade Blade and was matching Whitebeard with his swordsmanship despite Whitebeard having gura gura no mi.

Shanks was only strong enough to hold on to straw hat and pass it to Luffy not become pirate king himself.

Even Kaido used Roger as an example of peak Haki and not Shanks.

Stop overestimating damn Roger and stick to Shanks' rival, how can you suggest that Roger is better than Shanks? It is to say that Roger's swordsmanship can surpass even Mihawk's since previously a Shanks with 2 arms was never defeated by Mihawk, and even with just one arm he is considered Mihawk's rival in this aspect.

Even Kaido used Roger as an example of peak Haki and not Shanks.

Yes, since Roger is the only existing instance of someone who achieved One Piece, Luffy told Kaidou several times that he wanted to become pirate king and obtain One Piece and Kaidou was just reciting the way the previous PK achieved this feat and it was through Haki, but this does not necessarily dictate that Roger's Haki > All, Kaidou's Haki surpasses Roger's. The issue is that the current era is much more difficult to obtain One Piece and Kaidou's strength even exceeds Roger's is not enough to achieve this feat on his own, which is why Joyboy has the most feared power in the seas to make allies wherever he goes, because it is thanks to the numbers (allies) that he will achieve.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Stop overestimating damn Roger and stick to Mihawk Shanks' rival, how can you suggest that Roger is better than Shanks? It is to say that Roger's swordsmanship can surpass even Mihawk's since previously a Shanks with 2 arms was never defeated by Mihawk, and even with just one arm he is considered Mihawk's rival in this aspect.




Yes, since Roger is the only existing instance of someone who achieved One Piece, Luffy told Kaidou several times that he wanted to become pirate king and obtain One Piece and Kaidou was just reciting the way the previous PK achieved this feat and it was through Haki, but this does not necessarily dictate that Roger's Haki > All, Kaidou's Haki surpasses Roger's. The issue is that the current era is much more difficult to obtain One Piece and Kaidou's strength even exceeds Roger's is not enough to achieve this feat on his own, which is why Joyboy has the most feared power in the seas to make allies wherever he goes, because it is thanks to the numbers (allies) that he will achieve.

Listen
Mihawk >= Roger = Prime 2 arm Shanks = Rayleigh > Current Shanks who can't rival Mihawk

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Listen
Mihawk >= Roger = Prime 2 arm Shanks = Rayleigh > Current Shanks who can't rival Mihawk

Stop it, such a thing as "2-armed Shanks is equal to Roger" does not exist, 1-armed Shanks is equal to two-armed Shanks, Shanks' power did not decline after this loss this is recited in a databook in which I made a thread If you look in my profile you will find Shanks may have compensated for this loss, we don't know but according to the databook his power has not reduced...

And Roger is also inferior to Wb. And kaidou is stronger than all of them, the entire OP VERSE kaidou surpasses him, he transcended all living beings and became the strongest living creature on land, sea and air, the embodiment of strength something that Roger will never be

 

[MonsterKaido]

Going by old garp vs aokiji , its obvious. Roger highlights sengoku also and both garp and sengoku are only confirmed COC users.

That being said logia admirals still have awakening as their trump cards probably.

 

[Durableguy]

Yep.

When comparing Mihawk and Kuzan. Mihawk isn't part of the emperors crew. He IS the emperor. He's just the hidden one.

Cross Guild is obviously going to have to compete with the other emperor crews.

Otoh. Kuzan is still just a subordinate of BB


It's different.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Like Zoro..

Post automatically merged: Dec 12, 2023

Odas presentation of Admirals has been downright sad at this point

Don't compare AssmiraLs to Zoro

 

[trav]

Old gen has a kind of mystery around them that gets slowly dispelled.
They are not special anymore compared to the new gen.
Garp was supposed to be special then we learned he was a fraud.
Its the same for pirates as well.
We thought PK was the ultimate title and meant that the one with it defeated everyone else. The we learned that Gol Dodger the fraud avoided a confrontation with BM.

 

[Cruxroux]

Stop overestimating damn Roger and stick to Shanks' rival, how can you suggest that Roger is better than Shanks? It is to say that Roger's swordsmanship can surpass even Mihawk's since previously a Shanks with 2 arms was never defeated by Mihawk, and even with just one arm he is considered Mihawk's rival in this aspect.




Yes, since Roger is the only existing instance of someone who achieved One Piece, Luffy told Kaidou several times that he wanted to become pirate king and obtain One Piece and Kaidou was just reciting the way the previous PK achieved this feat and it was through Haki, but this does not necessarily dictate that Roger's Haki > All, Kaidou's Haki surpasses Roger's. The issue is that the current era is much more difficult to obtain One Piece and Kaidou's strength even exceeds Roger's is not enough to achieve this feat on his own, which is why Joyboy has the most feared power in the seas to make allies wherever he goes, because it is thanks to the numbers (allies) that he will achieve.

That signature is literal Chills.
@MonsterKaido

 

[kom5]

Prime Garp is basically Roger when that guy arrived the marines celebrated him even though they were hopeless against Roger and Rocks before

 

[MonsterKaido]

Garp was supposed to be special then we learned he was a fraud.

How come you say this when we saw what 80 years old garp can do

 

[Djordje]

Sengoku is the worst piece of shit I've ever seen. Look at his feats; he's a dogshit:

- Shit himself throughout the entire war against Whitebeard.
- Cowardly attacked Blackbeard and his pirates, failing to even knock out Burgess, who, in his timeskip state, was easily defeated by Sabo, a stronger version.
- Needed Garp's help to combat Blackbeard and his crew without Devil Fruits, even though they were weaker than his current state.
- Failed to knock out pre-timeskip Luffy, even with a clean hit.
- Ended up bandaged at the end of the war after fighting Blackbeard with the Gura Gura no Mi without full control. (This justifies your fear of Whitebeard).

- Failed to capture Jack and had ships sunk by Jack, despite having Fujitora and Tsuru by his side.

It's not that I disagree with the statement that Sengoku and Garp > Current Admirals; I agree with that. However, Sengoku would get such a beating from Kaido. LMAO

We could say the same about Mihawk and his feats at Marineford . His attacks were stopped by Jozy , Crocodile and he didn't gain any upper hand against Vista despite fighting him ,he don't have better feats than Sengoku nor did he get any special hype or portrayal during entire marineford arc .

 

[ShishioIsBack]

How come you say this when we saw what 80 years old garp can do

Rayleigh had better old age showings than Garp
Rayleigh made Blackbeard get scared to death

Blackbeard had one of his subordinates deal with Garp.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Rayleigh had better old age showings than Garp
Rayleigh made Blackbeard get scared to death

Blackbeard had one of his subordinates deal with Garp.

Old garp performed better against aokiji than ray did against Kizaru. Yes ray was rusty but still.

Old ray admitted he would lose to BB.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Rayleigh had better old age showings than Garp
Rayleigh made Blackbeard get scared to death

Blackbeard had one of his subordinates deal with Garp.

Why is Rayleigh important here?

 

[L57]

I don't mean no hate here.
I am not taking overall amount of foot soldiers but top Marines.

Kizaru got taken out by Luffy in hit..granted he himself got taken out by his power up but still Kaido..an emperor would tank that hit for days. Prime Garp is never suffering that fate and Sengoku is always portrayed extremely close to garp.

Green Bull got paralyzed by Shanks from several kilometers away with Shanks barely moving a muscle. Shanks was never able to do something of that capacity to Mihawk. Prime Garp scales to that level so Garp isn't suffering that fate..by default neither is Sengoku.

Aokiji is a Blackbeards regular commander and in terms of crew hierarchy isn't given any special distinction compared to Kizaru. When Mihawk joined a yonko..he's still seen as bigger threat than said Yonko. Same would be applied to Garp who is Roger's rival. And Same for sengoku as well.

So why is Oda treating marines so bad?
They used to be some of my favorite characters

I got excited for Green Bull and Oda turned him into Shanks victim.
I got excited for Kizaru and Oda turned him into Nika victim.

Roger asked for garp or sengoku for a reason
2 CoC users
No admiraL has CoC

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

Old Gen Swordsman seem a lot stronger than current Swordsman

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Old Gen Swordsman seem a lot stronger than current Swordsman

Ryuma might be above Mihawk
Not sure who from Roger's generation is stronger than Mihawk.

Mihawk = Xebec > Shanks = Roger = Rayleigh > Zoro = Oden >= Fujitora

 

[trav]

How come you say this when we saw what 80 years old garp can do

Garp is hailed as the hero of the Marines for defeating Rocks. We learned that he did not really do that.
What else is he if not a fraud?
Throwing a few punches at a former Admiral and then dying a dogs death is not exactly an impressive display. A sick and dying WB did more damage to Akainu than Garp did to Aokiji.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Do old gen Marines seem a lot stronger or is it just that Prime Garp looks to be significantly stronger than every other Marine?

 

[zenox]

modern admirals are fraudulent toptiers
they have nothing which symbolises what a toptier should be
merely changing the climate of the island aint impressive when ace can do an inferior version of that just by existing

the only thing in canon which portrays the gateway to the toptier realm is skyspitting

or some other insane portrayal which shows u going toe to toe with these skysplitter like oden

tho i think oden might as well be capable to do a skyplit himself , we just didnt see him clash with another proper toptier

now comes the admirals of modern era , they barely have any portrayal which puts them on the level of sky splitting

the main thing is that they dont even have conquerors haki , so they simply dont have the potential to get to that level

the only marines portrayed to be skysplitting level are garp and sengoku in old gen

both of them are also confirmed to possess conquerors haki
with garp directly showing advanced conquerors

these sky splitters are on a different tier
u can easily see that in their interaction with admirals

lets start with old people ( characters with the portrayal of being skysplitters )
1. here is oldbeard defeating the strongest admiral

2. here is rusty rayleigh stalling an admiral

3. here is garp actually beating an admiral in every interaction

imagine what will they do in their prime

u also have instances where shanks simply Wi-Fi diffs greenbul

or luffy beating kizaru the moment he uses acoc

there are levels between them
well end of the day , the term ' toptier ' is not a canon term in the manga

thats why there are lists of low TT , mid TT , high TT
i consider admirals in the mid TT range while the true toptier range starts from high TT ( sky splitters )
high TT is also where prime garp and sengoku should be