But the most user don´t speak about that event but more about the 5 years overall in whole, you guys didn´t can tell me that Oden didn´t even had the chance to build up a plan together with Hyo who he visited most time, that he didn´t have the chance to build up a plan together with the Daiymos. I mean his plan to kill Kaido wasn´t a bad plan, the current alliance try the same aswell.
He don´t even need Whitebeard/Roger pirates, alone with the power of himself and Hyo+Samurai it would be enough to take out Kaido and his crew. I know Oden didn´t want that people getting killed in this big war, but he didn´t have any other choice to take out Kaido either if he didn´t fight back.
Well, I don't really see the difference, except that you and others seem to think the 5 years took too long. Maybe so, but 5 years is just a period Oda has decided on, anything else doesn't really make a difference, and it turned out, they weren't enough to take out Kaido and crew, although that can be seen as the luck of war.
And I actually don't think people's issue is the 5 years, but that they don't see the point of showing Oden's character at all,
and even forget that he did try to take out Kaido (and I guess when they were first introduced, they just sparred a bit together), but what they want is him doing nothing else but fighting. That may be a valid wish, but it doesn't make Oden such a huge idiot as they think, they are really just trying to be cool.
Two weeks ago Kaido got his trashtalking, but then mood swung for basically no reason but that I guess he is the bad guy, and that makes him cooler after all... (And maybe started by Jo Ndules nonsense lie thread about Kaido, which coincidentally is the biggest contradiction in displaying Oden as a coward and noodle-spined weasel to make its point... [which I bet would be more popular]).
In the end all Daiymos get killed, Hyo wife get killed and many other so much people, wano 20years later is a totally mess up. Oden should think about the consequences if Orochi would still rule over Wano, someone who want everyone in wano to suffer. I doubt that even Oden believe the shitty deal with Kaido and Orochi, someone who try to kill off Momosuke.
Yeah, that was sort of behind the back, and outside of anything else. I don't think Hyo is the all-decisive factor, and if so, they could have freed him first. I bet Oda himself didn't think it matters that much, and after all his story has a main point and is not concerning himself with all possible details. This is also important to keep in mind: as a flashback character, Oden doesn't have the plot armor someone else might have.
And his actions DID have some effect, at least to all appearances. It was just the deal he made, and they did something outside of that deal (maybe not even part of it), which he then took action on.
He had ways to prevent that, to stop Orochi and Kaido. That is the most point of many user here who criticism the decision of Oden
Wishful thinking, and again: it wasn't Hyo, but mainly his wife. You are basically making her "all of Wano", or the "whole disaster of Wano", when in truth (or apparently), he was doing what he could to save hundreds others. It is inconsistent to say "I understand that", but also pretend he did a huge f-ck up by having a slightly different, more "honourable" character, and saving hundreds instead of doing a sudden turnaround to prevent Hyo's wife's untimely demise.
This is all just way overblownwishful thinking, head-canon and hate for hate's sake.
But I want try to understand the decision of Oden, I want to try to explain why Oden didn´t make a alliance with Hyo and co.
It is simple answer but I think it is overall about Oden pride, he was shown as the Men who handle everything alone, even if he let his retainer to come with him, he most like want to take out anything alone and be honest that is most like the point. He most like feel guilty for everything which happen in wano because he wasn´t their because of his adventure with Whitebeard. I think overall how Oda build up Oden character, that he want to save his country on his own as he feel guilty for all the bad things who happen in Wano because of him. More and more I read about the flashback, that is how Oda build up Oden character, his pride and badass decicion was something which was most fascinating about Oden character but also that is his most like his biggest weakeness in sametime. He didn´t want help from Whitebeard or Roger pirates, he didn´t want Hyo to suffer for all the things who happen because of him, he try to save the country on his own, different then Luffy who fighting together with Wano against Kaido.
Be honest I criticism Oden decision aswell, but if we really look how Oda build up him as character, I finally understand why he don´t make any b plan or try to make a big alliance with Hyo and co, overall because of his Pride. People can hate it or love it how he handle the whole situation, but I think Oda make a great job at least in this one if it comes to Oden character.
He's principled in his decision, pride doesn't really factor into it, and he is the strongest, simply meaning that another plan would still have relied on better luck. one could also say: his attack - which again
did happen - was his plan B. There you have it. Just minus Hyo, but again Oda said: let's get right to business.