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@ShishioIsBack ( I know it's a bit long but let's don't fight ... and please read my whole post)

didn't you guys said

Yonko are most powerful pirates cause they have highest man power
but they are not "strongest"
so when Novel called Yonko Strongest Pirates .... it still means highest man power


a day ago you said "I hate Yonko fans cause they have double standards"
so tell me
how this is not "double standard"

Strongest Pirates make Yonko over Mihawk
with same logic of your that
Strongest Swordsman might put Mihawk above Shanks in terms of over all power


I know it's imposable for you to agree with Shanks > Mihawk

but if you really hate "double standards"


you have to admit ... with all the Yonko being confined as both Strongest and most powerful pirates (novel call them both)
Mihawk title is not enough to prove Mihawk > Shanks


I'm not even asking you to change your mind

just acknowledge our claim
if you (and all Zoro fandom) do ... as don't act as if Mihawk > Shanks is a fact ....

Shanks fandom and Mihawk fandom would not fight 24*7 each

do your share ...
 
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With Nami and Usopp vs Page One and Ulti,

added with Sanji was focused on flying df user around King when SH together and also King was the only one to react when Sanji saved Momonosuke even though Queen was beside King cement Sanji vs King.

Page One vs Sanji rematch can be thrown into the trash bin.
 
Jack survived against an Admiral, a former Fleet Admiral, and a Vice Admiral who should still be in the high tier range, then survived against an attack from Zunisha, who is the size of an Island. To put this into perspective, an average African Elephant can weigh anywhere between 5000 and 14,000 pounds, and it's trunk is powerful enough to lift SUVs. Now imagine how much an Island sized elephant must weigh, and the force in which it can swing it's trunk.

Do people honestly think Duke and Neko have put him down for good?
well it doesn't matter as long as he down for the duration of the raid.
 
This should also be a lesson to those who were arguing that Oda would never have Zoro team up with anyone to defeat an opponent. This reaffirms my belief that neither Zoro nor Sanji will be soloing a Calamity.
It has always been absurd to me to argue that Zoro would never team-up with someone against a foe when he did it several times during Preskip and knowing that some of the hardest fights would happen after the TS.

But in general saying that a character will never team-up with someone else because you argue that this person is too strong to be willing or to have to work with someone else is just blind fanboyism.
 

HA001

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This should also be a lesson to those who were arguing that Oda would never have Zoro team up with anyone to defeat an opponent. This reaffirms my belief that neither Zoro nor Sanji will be soloing a Calamity.
Lmfao how is this any different to the first time it happened with luffy there.
Zoro wont tag team against a swordsman.
 
This should also be a lesson to those who were arguing that Oda would never have Zoro team up with anyone to defeat an opponent. This reaffirms my belief that neither Zoro nor Sanji will be soloing a Calamity.
The claim is about when he faces a swordman on the path towards his dream.
Theres no progress if he can't best X swordman alone.


You are taking it out of context for a bias opinion .
 
@ShishioIsBack didn't you guys said

Yonko are most powerful pirates cause they have highest man power
but they are not "strongest"
so when Novel called Yonko Strongest Pirates .... it still means highest man power


a day ago you said "I hate Yonko fans cause they have double standards"
so tell me
how this is not "double standard"

Strongest Pirates make Yonko over Mihawk
with same logic of your that
Strongest Swordman might put Mihawk above Shanks in terms of over all power


I know it's imposiable for you to agree with Shanks > Mihawk

but if you really hate "double standards"


you have to admit ... with all the Yonko being confined as both Strongest and most powerful pirates (novel call them both)
Mihawk title is not enough to prove Mihawk > Shanks


I'm not even asking you to change your mind

just acknowledge our claim
No because there is literally no double standard there.

Aces novel literally reiterates what is in the manga which is Garp using same word for Yonkou that someone would use to describe political power.

Otherwise Aces novel is contradicting canon knowledge of Mihawk > Shanks in that case that statement is invalidated.

DB says Mihawk > Shanks
Manga says Mihawk > Shanks
Manga also tells us Yonkou are most power but not individually strongest.

Aces novel leaves the room for debate, doesn't specify what it means to be the strongest.

But one thing it confirms, Shanks is a swordsman who uses his sword when CoC is useless which as manga shows his CoC is useless on non fodders.

Yeah its impossible for me to accept Shanks > Mihawk because its a retarded notion.
Its also impossible for me to accept Marco > Prime WB.

Shanks < Mihawk is not a debatable opinion, its a fact showed to us in manga, reinforced again and again in manga and in databooks.
 
Zoro vs Nerfed super nova count: 3

Hawkins nerfed by never getting off his horse and distracted by Luffy

Killer was nerfed emotional and his weapon

Drake was nerfed by almost being killed by queen probably 1/5th of his orginal strength
The length some people go to to try to downplay Zoro's strength.

Hawkins failing to get off his horse and being distracted is now considered being nerfed. Usually, people are stronger when they fight while riding a horse not weaker. Where was this at when Zoro was distracted against Killer.

Killer wasn't emotionally nerfed. He was fine and fighting protect his captain which makes people stronger in one piece and he was using a weapons that didn't change his fighting style. Zoro oneshot Killer using a weapon he's never used before.

Drake was bleeding from the head just like Zoro was last chapter. Drake is an ancient zone that has impressive recovery ability. If you can't recover from that, that's pathetic. Zoro took a slash across the chest and it didn't slow him down.

Zoro isn't called the pirate hunter for nothing. Maybe that should change to the supernova hunter.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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It has always been absurd to me to argue that Zoro would never team-up with someone against a foe when he did it several times during Preskip and knowing that some of the hardest fights would happen after the TS.

But in general saying that a character will never team-up with someone else because you argue that this person is too strong to be willing or to have to work with someone else is just blind fanboyism.
What swordsman did zoro team up against ?
 
There is nothing wrong with Jack "falling" here. We know he'll be back. Especially considering we have clear examples of Ulti, Page 1 and Queen all recovering super easy after getting slapped around by Yamato, Luffy and Big Mom respectively. Not to mention multiple fodder talking about how "ancient zoans have an extremely high recovery rate".

This was done in the story purely to show that Sulong is strong and effective as fuck, however nobody knows this fact that these zoans just keep coming back.

Mark my words, they are going to chain these guys up with Kairoseki. Denjiro was on the mark for doing it with Sasaki.
 
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