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drastically decreasing potency.. and barely making it under kaido's scales... he doesn't know ryou so there is that too
the fact that enma is narratively there with zoro and not shusui (which is a mastered sword) is due to the fact zoro cannot accomplish his feats with shusui..
mind you oda could have taken an ideal route to prove that having enma doesn't change zoro's attack potency.. he could have let zoro exchange shusui with enma at the end of wano after zoro replicates Ryuma's legacy and everything is set and done and zoro being humble enough to give shusui back after using at its full potential (which he hasn't)
narratively zoro would be offensively nerfed..
but he'll be able to take hakai for the same amount of time with shusui (i don't believe he has barrier haki as well) so this remains a spectacular feat even with shusui.
the fact that enma is narratively there with zoro and not shusui (which is a mastered sword) is due to the fact zoro cannot accomplish his feats with shusui..
mind you oda could have taken an ideal route to prove that having enma doesn't change zoro's attack potency.. he could have let zoro exchange shusui with enma at the end of wano after zoro replicates Ryuma's legacy and everything is set and done and zoro being humble enough to give shusui back after using at its full potential (which he hasn't)
narratively zoro would be offensively nerfed..
but he'll be able to take hakai for the same amount of time with shusui (i don't believe he has barrier haki as well) so this remains a spectacular feat even with shusui.
Oda purposefully did it to highlight Enma, the same way he highlighted Shusui in Thriller Bark like I showed in an earlier post. If nothing I’ve provided or said has persuaded you on Enma’s unique properties than I’m afraid nothing is going to. And you’ve yet to provide me anything concrete to go on that don’t seem like, with genuinely no offense intended, mental gymnastics. So we can call this a stalemate lol.
The number of cuts Zoro's opponents receive isn't determined by the number of swords used.
Zoro used 3 swords attack against Pica but it produced one cut.
The Fishman and shields receive one cut from the dragon twister.
Kaku received one cut from Zoro's asura mode (9 sword style) attack.
You can see from above that Kaido receiving one cut doesn't mean he only cut him with enma. Zoro cut Kaido with all swords since that's what he wanted to do and he didn't say didn't happen.
The reason he focused his attention on enma was because that was his new sword, he hasn't master it, and it was the cause of his problems. Zoro didn't want to use too much haki and ended up using too little haki.
Shisui is stronger than enma pound for pound. If both sword were used and the same amount of haki or no haki was used shishu would produce the stronger attack. That is because shisui is a black blade. That makes it stronger.
Zoro used 3 swords attack against Pica but it produced one cut.
The Fishman and shields receive one cut from the dragon twister.
Kaku received one cut from Zoro's asura mode (9 sword style) attack.
You can see from above that Kaido receiving one cut doesn't mean he only cut him with enma. Zoro cut Kaido with all swords since that's what he wanted to do and he didn't say didn't happen.
The reason he focused his attention on enma was because that was his new sword, he hasn't master it, and it was the cause of his problems. Zoro didn't want to use too much haki and ended up using too little haki.
Shisui is stronger than enma pound for pound. If both sword were used and the same amount of haki or no haki was used shishu would produce the stronger attack. That is because shisui is a black blade. That makes it stronger.
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Absolutely bullshit. It's bullshit that to this day people still don't know what haki is. Haki does not translate to just Will . It has multiple definitions one of them being thr materilization of ambitions spirit drive will motive. Haki is the physical manifestation and materilization of someone's spirit. Hence why haki can run. Out. Why it increases when a person gets physically and mentally stronger. Hence it can be used to increase physical stats. Hence why depending on the control and volume it can nullify fruits. But people still who claim to be one piece fans don't understand haki. Which is why it is stupid to even think a sword holds haki since the definition of haki doesn't substantiate the idea
A blade can't do anything on it's own the man using it was Zoro putting tremendous amounts of haki in that attack, switch that with Wado or Shusui BM would still have commented the same thing since they are all in the same rank. It's more about the swordsman
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That's fine we can agree to disagree at least you haven't been one of those undermining Zoro with Enma.
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That's fine we can agree to disagree at least you haven't been one of those undermining Zoro with Enma.
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what makes you so certain that they'd comment the oddity of the blade... with Wado and sandia.. where enma is the only one that allows excess haki to be maneuvered
mind you when zoro used tatsumaki.. his all blades were harded... and kaido only called out enma for it..
unless you wanna argue that zoro didn't distribute the same amount of haki to the other blades which doesn't make sense since if could he would have logically to inflict more damage.. he is fighting a yonko and he doesn't apply consistent haki yo his other blades would be down right dumb of him.
Kaido says "Uhhhahhahwywgfscdvnw it hurts.. it must be odens blade"
why didn't he call out wado or sandai which were hardened as well..
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its ironic.. its about the swordsman and the sword gets called out....
mind you when zoro used tatsumaki.. his all blades were harded... and kaido only called out enma for it..
unless you wanna argue that zoro didn't distribute the same amount of haki to the other blades which doesn't make sense since if could he would have logically to inflict more damage.. he is fighting a yonko and he doesn't apply consistent haki yo his other blades would be down right dumb of him.
Kaido says "Uhhhahhahwywgfscdvnw it hurts.. it must be odens blade"
why didn't he call out wado or sandai which were hardened as well..
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its ironic.. its about the swordsman and the sword gets called out....
Kaido didn't mention about Oden's haki, he specifically mentioned about his presence.
I made a case long time ago on the subject matter:
That was mostly to prove that Zoro was most definitely drawing from no Oden's haki even before Oda spelled it out more clearly, recently.
I also presented an assumption by which it might be possible that Enma is nowadays storing Oden's memories and quirks in that swords were portrayed as living objects, the assumption is a calculated one due the assessment of the former premise + Kaido's words.
I made a case long time ago on the subject matter:
That was mostly to prove that Zoro was most definitely drawing from no Oden's haki even before Oda spelled it out more clearly, recently.
I also presented an assumption by which it might be possible that Enma is nowadays storing Oden's memories and quirks in that swords were portrayed as living objects, the assumption is a calculated one due the assessment of the former premise + Kaido's words.
Then why did Big Mom point out the sword? If it had literally nothing to do with Enma then why would the sword itself have been notable? Why didn’t she say swordsman if it was strictly due to what Zoro could do regardless solely from his emotions?
Kaido specifically mentioned the sword’s haki. Unless Kaido has such a memory for detail that he remembered the exact cut of Enma’s blade, how could he have felt anything different about Enma than Wado when they are the same grade? Or are you saying that Kaido does know the distinct cut and feel of Enma 20 years later just by the steel itself? It was Zoro’s haki but the effect Enma had on Zoro’s haki mirrored Oden because Enma would have had a similar effect on Oden’s haki.
While you are absolutely correct on the need to master a sword before unlocking its full potential, we have seen concrete evidence that different swords can provide more raw power before they have been mastered.
Just because Zoro hadn’t mastered it doesn’t change that it provided a boost in raw power. It just meant that it was also coming with some negative side effects until he fully got it under control. It actually mirrors Enma’s first big use exactly by creating an attack more powerful than Zoro could have provided without it, yet missing.
Are you saying that Zoro cannot use ACoA without Enma? Because I don’t believe that to be true at all. Zoro’s other swords still appear to be able to cut Kaido and even Killer appears to have cut Kaido without using a sonic attack.
Kaido said well done after and didn’t single Zoro out. Which he should have if Killer didn’t manage to cut him at all.
Kaido specifically mentioned the sword’s haki. Unless Kaido has such a memory for detail that he remembered the exact cut of Enma’s blade, how could he have felt anything different about Enma than Wado when they are the same grade? Or are you saying that Kaido does know the distinct cut and feel of Enma 20 years later just by the steel itself? It was Zoro’s haki but the effect Enma had on Zoro’s haki mirrored Oden because Enma would have had a similar effect on Oden’s haki.
While you are absolutely correct on the need to master a sword before unlocking its full potential, we have seen concrete evidence that different swords can provide more raw power before they have been mastered.
Just because Zoro hadn’t mastered it doesn’t change that it provided a boost in raw power. It just meant that it was also coming with some negative side effects until he fully got it under control. It actually mirrors Enma’s first big use exactly by creating an attack more powerful than Zoro could have provided without it, yet missing.
Are you saying that Zoro cannot use ACoA without Enma? Because I don’t believe that to be true at all. Zoro’s other swords still appear to be able to cut Kaido and even Killer appears to have cut Kaido without using a sonic attack.
Kaido said well done after and didn’t single Zoro out. Which he should have if Killer didn’t manage to cut him at all.
I'm saying if you want to cut/hurt Kaido, excluding sound attacks and other attacks that by pass his durable body, ryu/haki is needed. Zoro and Killer only gave him a bruise with their first attack. Technically, you could count that as an injury but they still didn't cut him.
Go back and read my earlier post. It explains how you're wrong with the first part of your post
Before I even answer this question I need to explain what ryu is. Some people don't understand. Ryu is Wano citizens term for haki. The only difference is most of them are swordsmen or weapon users for them to be able to properly use ryu or haki with their weapon or fighting style they have to learn flow/barrier haki so they can add it to their weapon. Flow/barrier haki is the ability to flow haki from the body.
Zoro first used ryu against Mr. 1. Yes, he has had that power (ryu) since pre time skip.
First, Zoro having enma using doesn't automatically mean he can Kaido. When Zoro first attacked Kaido he didn't cut him. That alone proves the ability to cut Kaido comes from the users (Zoro), not the sword (enma). I almost believe Oda did that on purpose to squash the belief enma is the reason he cut Kaido.
When Zoro used Dragon twister he cut Kaido with all three swords. That is a 3 sword attack. If he wouldn't have cut Kaido with all 3 swords then he would have commented on it. The manga even hints at Zoro ability to cut Kaido way back when he cut the dragon during punk hazard. That's why that feat is compared to Ryuma's feat in the official one piece magazine and even ask if Zoro will repeat Ryuma's legendary dragon cutting feat in Wano.
Enma doesn't increase the strength of Zoro's haki, it just forces him to release larger amounts of haki. Zoro's haki strength would be the same with or without enma. Enma does not retain its previous users haki or store haki.
Yes, Kaido and Big Mom both comment on the sword because it is a unique sword. I have already explained that.
When Zoro cut Kaido with his dragon twister Big Mom stated Zoro cut Kaido. While Kaido stated he felt an unfamiliar haki. It wasn't Oden's haki since Kaido is familiar with Oden's haki. That means the haki he felt was Zoro's haki.
Zoro would be stronger right now with shisui because he fully mastered that sword.
His battle against Pica showed us a small percent of his true power.
We didn't see the true strength of that attack because he didn't need to use billion fold world to cut the golem. The second attack Zoro used, which was a none name attack, cut a large section of Pica than his first attack.
I have already mentioned he cut and killed a dragon with shisui.
Swordsman grow stronger with new swords but that is after they master the sword. That comes from properly controlling the sword. If the user cuts too little or too much with the new sword they haven't mastered. Zoro hasn't fully mastered enma. He is stronger with enma then he was when he first obtained it but still has ways to go. Remembering, what true makes swordsman strong is their ability to cut what they want to or not cut.
Zoro without enma but with shisui would perform similar.
PS: The reason some believe Zoro can't do much to Kaido without enma is because they fail to understand ryu/haki is the key to cutting/hurting Kaido, not enma.
Zoro first used ryu against Mr. 1. Yes, he has had that power (ryu) since pre time skip.
First, Zoro having enma using doesn't automatically mean he can Kaido. When Zoro first attacked Kaido he didn't cut him. That alone proves the ability to cut Kaido comes from the users (Zoro), not the sword (enma). I almost believe Oda did that on purpose to squash the belief enma is the reason he cut Kaido.
When Zoro used Dragon twister he cut Kaido with all three swords. That is a 3 sword attack. If he wouldn't have cut Kaido with all 3 swords then he would have commented on it. The manga even hints at Zoro ability to cut Kaido way back when he cut the dragon during punk hazard. That's why that feat is compared to Ryuma's feat in the official one piece magazine and even ask if Zoro will repeat Ryuma's legendary dragon cutting feat in Wano.
Enma doesn't increase the strength of Zoro's haki, it just forces him to release larger amounts of haki. Zoro's haki strength would be the same with or without enma. Enma does not retain its previous users haki or store haki.
Yes, Kaido and Big Mom both comment on the sword because it is a unique sword. I have already explained that.
When Zoro cut Kaido with his dragon twister Big Mom stated Zoro cut Kaido. While Kaido stated he felt an unfamiliar haki. It wasn't Oden's haki since Kaido is familiar with Oden's haki. That means the haki he felt was Zoro's haki.
Zoro would be stronger right now with shisui because he fully mastered that sword.
His battle against Pica showed us a small percent of his true power.
We didn't see the true strength of that attack because he didn't need to use billion fold world to cut the golem. The second attack Zoro used, which was a none name attack, cut a large section of Pica than his first attack.
I have already mentioned he cut and killed a dragon with shisui.
Swordsman grow stronger with new swords but that is after they master the sword. That comes from properly controlling the sword. If the user cuts too little or too much with the new sword they haven't mastered. Zoro hasn't fully mastered enma. He is stronger with enma then he was when he first obtained it but still has ways to go. Remembering, what true makes swordsman strong is their ability to cut what they want to or not cut.
Zoro without enma but with shisui would perform similar.
PS: The reason some believe Zoro can't do much to Kaido without enma is because they fail to understand ryu/haki is the key to cutting/hurting Kaido, not enma.
the point is.. zoro's haki is the source that only host sword that zoro has can contain and draw excessively... its like the 8 gates in naruto.. when opened they bring out your body's potential and boosts it ... with enma.. enma draws out zoro's haki is drawn excessively that allow him to do more that he could
The reason Kaido mentioned enma it's because that is the only sword that he knows. He didn't even call The sword by his proper name. He just said Oden's sword because that's all he knows about the sword.
Why he called the other two swords out by the name if he doesn't even know anything about those swords.
Why he called the other two swords out by the name if he doesn't even know anything about those swords.
I only mentioned Wado and Shusui since they are the same rank, had Zoro picked either and poured as much of his haki to perform an ittoryu attack like hiryu kaen BM would definitely feel the same so in the end it really is about the swordsman.
Zoro did not use as much haki when he performed his tatsumaki not even close whch is why there was no focus on any of his blades
Zoro did not use as much haki when he performed his tatsumaki not even close whch is why there was no focus on any of his blades
I’m not sure if they bruised him, or cut him shallowly like the Scabbards did. I’m also not sure he would congratulate them for bruising.
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But why did he single out the one sword? That was clearly a 3 sword attack.
I don’t believe it was Oden’s haki. I believe the manga points to Enma having a strange effect on the wielders haki that others swords do not.
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But why did he single out the one sword? That was clearly a 3 sword attack.
I don’t believe it was Oden’s haki. I believe the manga points to Enma having a strange effect on the wielders haki that others swords do not.
People still don't understand? It's odd because more haki is being stripped pulled focused on one blade hence why kaido called it odd. Infact we know this based on the fact that kaido wasn't even familiar with this type or volume of haki showcasing that it had nothing to do with oden period since he would have called the feeling of haki familiar instead of strange. That is straight forward.
Infact to go even further kaido made not one mention of enma when zoro used ashura. Solely focusing on haki. And again because of the potency of haki felt kaido was able to deduce that this dude has coc
Infact to go even further kaido made not one mention of enma when zoro used ashura. Solely focusing on haki. And again because of the potency of haki felt kaido was able to deduce that this dude has coc
He's my post again because you need to read it again.
If Zoro only cut Kaido with enma than he would mention it. Skill swordsman cuts what they wish to cut. If Zoro is using a 3 sword technique that means he wishes to cut his opponent or target with 3 swords. If that doesn't happen he would stated it.
It's funny to me that the Scabbards, who are all weaker than Zoro, can cut Kaido with enma but some believe Zoro needs enma to cut Kaido.
Before I even answer this question I need to explain what ryu is. Some people don't understand. Ryu is Wano citizens term for haki. The only difference is most of them are swordsmen or weapon users for them to be able to properly use ryu or haki with their weapon or fighting style they have to learn flow/barrier haki so they can add it to their weapon. Flow/barrier haki is the ability to flow haki from the body.
Zoro first used ryu against Mr. 1. Yes, he has had that power (ryu) since pre time skip.
First, Zoro having enma using doesn't automatically mean he can Kaido. When Zoro first attacked Kaido he didn't cut him. That alone proves the ability to cut Kaido comes from the users (Zoro), not the sword (enma). I almost believe Oda did that on purpose to squash the belief enma is the reason he cut Kaido.
When Zoro used Dragon twister he cut Kaido with all three swords. That is a 3 sword attack. If he wouldn't have cut Kaido with all 3 swords then he would have commented on it. The manga even hints at Zoro ability to cut Kaido way back when he cut the dragon during punk hazard. That's why that feat is compared to Ryuma's feat in the official one piece magazine and even ask if Zoro will repeat Ryuma's legendary dragon cutting feat in Wano.
Enma doesn't increase the strength of Zoro's haki, it just forces him to release larger amounts of haki. Zoro's haki strength would be the same with or without enma. Enma does not retain its previous users haki or store haki.
Yes, Kaido and Big Mom both comment on the sword because it is a unique sword. I have already explained that.
When Zoro cut Kaido with his dragon twister Big Mom stated Zoro cut Kaido. While Kaido stated he felt an unfamiliar haki. It wasn't Oden's haki since Kaido is familiar with Oden's haki. That means the haki he felt was Zoro's haki.
Zoro would be stronger right now with shisui because he fully mastered that sword.
His battle against Pica showed us a small percent of his true power.
We didn't see the true strength of that attack because he didn't need to use billion fold world to cut the golem. The second attack Zoro used, which was a none name attack, cut a large section of Pica than his first attack.
I have already mentioned he cut and killed a dragon with shisui.
Swordsman grow stronger with new swords but that is after they master the sword. That comes from properly controlling the sword. If the user cuts too little or too much with the new sword they haven't mastered. Zoro hasn't fully mastered enma. He is stronger with enma then he was when he first obtained it but still has ways to go. Remembering, what true makes swordsman strong is their ability to cut what they want to or not cut.
Zoro without enma but with shisui would perform similar.
PS: The reason some believe Zoro can't do much to Kaido without enma is because they fail to understand ryu/haki is the key to cutting/hurting Kaido, not enma.
Zoro first used ryu against Mr. 1. Yes, he has had that power (ryu) since pre time skip.
First, Zoro having enma using doesn't automatically mean he can Kaido. When Zoro first attacked Kaido he didn't cut him. That alone proves the ability to cut Kaido comes from the users (Zoro), not the sword (enma). I almost believe Oda did that on purpose to squash the belief enma is the reason he cut Kaido.
When Zoro used Dragon twister he cut Kaido with all three swords. That is a 3 sword attack. If he wouldn't have cut Kaido with all 3 swords then he would have commented on it. The manga even hints at Zoro ability to cut Kaido way back when he cut the dragon during punk hazard. That's why that feat is compared to Ryuma's feat in the official one piece magazine and even ask if Zoro will repeat Ryuma's legendary dragon cutting feat in Wano.
Enma doesn't increase the strength of Zoro's haki, it just forces him to release larger amounts of haki. Zoro's haki strength would be the same with or without enma. Enma does not retain its previous users haki or store haki.
Yes, Kaido and Big Mom both comment on the sword because it is a unique sword. I have already explained that.
When Zoro cut Kaido with his dragon twister Big Mom stated Zoro cut Kaido. While Kaido stated he felt an unfamiliar haki. It wasn't Oden's haki since Kaido is familiar with Oden's haki. That means the haki he felt was Zoro's haki.
Zoro would be stronger right now with shisui because he fully mastered that sword.
His battle against Pica showed us a small percent of his true power.
We didn't see the true strength of that attack because he didn't need to use billion fold world to cut the golem. The second attack Zoro used, which was a none name attack, cut a large section of Pica than his first attack.
I have already mentioned he cut and killed a dragon with shisui.
Swordsman grow stronger with new swords but that is after they master the sword. That comes from properly controlling the sword. If the user cuts too little or too much with the new sword they haven't mastered. Zoro hasn't fully mastered enma. He is stronger with enma then he was when he first obtained it but still has ways to go. Remembering, what true makes swordsman strong is their ability to cut what they want to or not cut.
Zoro without enma but with shisui would perform similar.
PS: The reason some believe Zoro can't do much to Kaido without enma is because they fail to understand ryu/haki is the key to cutting/hurting Kaido, not enma.
It's funny to me that the Scabbards, who are all weaker than Zoro, can cut Kaido with enma but some believe Zoro needs enma to cut Kaido.