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He's my post again because you need to read it again.
If Zoro only cut Kaido with enma than he would mention it. Skill swordsman cuts what they wish to cut. If Zoro is using a 3 sword technique that means he wishes to cut his opponent or target with 3 swords. If that doesn't happen he would stated it.
It's funny to me that the Scabbards, who are all weaker than Zoro, can cut Kaido with enma but some believe Zoro needs enma to cut Kaido.
If Zoro only cut Kaido with enma than he would mention it. Skill swordsman cuts what they wish to cut. If Zoro is using a 3 sword technique that means he wishes to cut his opponent or target with 3 swords. If that doesn't happen he would stated it.
It's funny to me that the Scabbards, who are all weaker than Zoro, can cut Kaido with enma but some believe Zoro needs enma to cut Kaido.
I believe he commented on their attack because it was a strong attack. He gave props to Law for dropping some rocks on him and called everyone little monsters.
An Yonko doesn't know everything. The reason he's single out enma was because that's the only sword he knows about.
We aren't told the sword change the haki in any way.
I believe Kaido mentioned it because he felt a large amount of haki he's never felt before and he knows that can damage him.
An Yonko doesn't know everything. The reason he's single out enma was because that's the only sword he knows about.
We aren't told the sword change the haki in any way.
I believe Kaido mentioned it because he felt a large amount of haki he's never felt before and he knows that can damage him.
That’s very reasonable.
It just doesn’t make any kind of sense to me why Oda had BM & Kaido on two entirely separate occasions draw attention to Enma. And Kaido’s even less. He could have just said “hey I recognize that sword” but instead he said “so the sword is the source of that strange haki”. And he said that before he recognized it as Oden’s sword.
It just doesn’t make any kind of sense to me why Oda had BM & Kaido on two entirely separate occasions draw attention to Enma. And Kaido’s even less. He could have just said “hey I recognize that sword” but instead he said “so the sword is the source of that strange haki”. And he said that before he recognized it as Oden’s sword.
yet narratively oda makes zoro say that he'd get stronger after he mastered a sword that grants him more haki exertion.. and he changes it with shusui.. when zoro could have returned shusui after the arc..
edit: the logic being if shusui is capable of doing what enma does then zoro shouldn't be much stronger... but if you wanna argue that shusui can't draw haki like enma.. then it wouldn't make sense for zoro to be equally capable with shusui when it doesn't offer the same attributes..like why does zoro claim that he can get stronger by repeating the same with enma...
it is narratively put in place that zoro is highly contingent on enma to damage kaido... from panel to panel.. from comment to comment... enma recieves more recognition than zoro
... I'm pretty sure zoro said he hasn't exerted most of enma...meaning the haki he drew in it wasn't enough.. and he doesn't mention his other swrods that he has mastered more profusely obviously...
Kaido doesn't mention wado and Sandai when he gets cut... he doesn't mention how those blades were able to cut him.. he also doesn't mention how other blades have the same oddity and feeling like enma since it takes zoro's haki... this is not to prove that ODEN HAKI IN ZORO SWORD WOW... this is to prove that kaido distincts enma from the rest of the blades mind you he has mastered completely
so.. mastering a blade of the same rank should be easier... if cutting and not cutting is what makes a swordsman master a sword.. even tho you are not taking into consideration that zoro was struggling with enma drawing haki... and not it cutting too much like Sandia.... its different for different swrods... one cut too much.. one is heavier, one draws exponential haki... cutting and not cutting isn't the right metric to see if anyone can cut and not cut ONLY.. not that it isn't a factor.
he shouldn't be "MUCH STRONGER" after mastering enma then.. it doesn't make sense of he's able to do the same with shusui...
that's a narrative fallacy
.. the PH dragon.. and the ability to cut it...
luffy was punching the shit out of that thing doesn't mean he'd be able to punch kaido around while damaging him... that false equivalency... tho i agree the Ryuma parallel gleams the most there.. but that still narratively shusui cutting the dragon... if zoro was able to replicate it.. oda wouldn't have had him change swrods...THAT MAKE HIM MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN HE IS RN MIND YOU.. when he coukd have had a romantic moment with hyori where where she calls him "zori-kun" and asks him to return it and he gifts it back after replicating Ryuma's legacy.. again narratively inconsistent arguments
and bro let's not even get to zoro using a certain number of swrods to cut yet it lands one slash...
Zoro uses 9 swrods.... and he's seen lifting enma (in his right hand) in a posture that indicates a post-cutting stance...... so zoro cut Kaido with Enma YET AGAIN.. and it even causes one scar... so zoro using 1 sword give kaido 1 scar..
idk if we can use this perspective on other moves which are way more ambiguous but this is an obvious visual blatantly screaming at you... that I FUCKIN CUT THIS TUNA WITH 1 SWORD BITCH.
and about zoro having ryou... until its mentioned I'm not ready to belive it.. Mr 1 argument doesn't logically sit right with me... it like saying since the sky is blue and the ocean too... sky = ocean
edit: the logic being if shusui is capable of doing what enma does then zoro shouldn't be much stronger... but if you wanna argue that shusui can't draw haki like enma.. then it wouldn't make sense for zoro to be equally capable with shusui when it doesn't offer the same attributes..like why does zoro claim that he can get stronger by repeating the same with enma...
it is narratively put in place that zoro is highly contingent on enma to damage kaido... from panel to panel.. from comment to comment... enma recieves more recognition than zoro
... I'm pretty sure zoro said he hasn't exerted most of enma...meaning the haki he drew in it wasn't enough.. and he doesn't mention his other swrods that he has mastered more profusely obviously...
Kaido doesn't mention wado and Sandai when he gets cut... he doesn't mention how those blades were able to cut him.. he also doesn't mention how other blades have the same oddity and feeling like enma since it takes zoro's haki... this is not to prove that ODEN HAKI IN ZORO SWORD WOW... this is to prove that kaido distincts enma from the rest of the blades mind you he has mastered completely
so.. mastering a blade of the same rank should be easier... if cutting and not cutting is what makes a swordsman master a sword.. even tho you are not taking into consideration that zoro was struggling with enma drawing haki... and not it cutting too much like Sandia.... its different for different swrods... one cut too much.. one is heavier, one draws exponential haki... cutting and not cutting isn't the right metric to see if anyone can cut and not cut ONLY.. not that it isn't a factor.
he shouldn't be "MUCH STRONGER" after mastering enma then.. it doesn't make sense of he's able to do the same with shusui...
that's a narrative fallacy
.. the PH dragon.. and the ability to cut it...
luffy was punching the shit out of that thing doesn't mean he'd be able to punch kaido around while damaging him... that false equivalency... tho i agree the Ryuma parallel gleams the most there.. but that still narratively shusui cutting the dragon... if zoro was able to replicate it.. oda wouldn't have had him change swrods...THAT MAKE HIM MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN HE IS RN MIND YOU.. when he coukd have had a romantic moment with hyori where where she calls him "zori-kun" and asks him to return it and he gifts it back after replicating Ryuma's legacy.. again narratively inconsistent arguments
and bro let's not even get to zoro using a certain number of swrods to cut yet it lands one slash...
Zoro uses 9 swrods.... and he's seen lifting enma (in his right hand) in a posture that indicates a post-cutting stance...... so zoro cut Kaido with Enma YET AGAIN.. and it even causes one scar... so zoro using 1 sword give kaido 1 scar..
idk if we can use this perspective on other moves which are way more ambiguous but this is an obvious visual blatantly screaming at you... that I FUCKIN CUT THIS TUNA WITH 1 SWORD BITCH.
and about zoro having ryou... until its mentioned I'm not ready to belive it.. Mr 1 argument doesn't logically sit right with me... it like saying since the sky is blue and the ocean too... sky = ocean
You misunderstood me. Enma Choose Zoro because his worthy, the Scabbards are not. Just because the Scabbards have to "Haki or Will" to slay Kaido they only possess 1 form of that Haki I've mentioned in my entire post. Haki isn't just one's goals, Will or desire etc. Its also CoA, CoO, CoC, etc... it has many uses and definitions linguistically and in an entire new form that is used in an attack form in the Manga.
The Scabbards lack the latter of what I've just described.
Also "Inherited Will" is a very important part of the manga. In fact right when Zoro received Enma their was the editor's note regarding "inherited Will" mentioned on that very same page. Enma's or Oden "Will: thirsting for Kaido's blood doesn't add any power up to Zoro. it's the same thing as using intimidation. Enma let loose its blood lust. That's all it did and drained Zoro's Haki much more than Zoro wanted. Big Mom and Kaido felt Enma's or Odens "Will" within the sword. "Will" being its desire for slaying Kaido which is Enma's Will that Oden left unfulfilled.
You didn't even read my post. If you did you would realize I've mentioned and differentiated between the types of Haki you are talking about. You calling me out on something we share the same opinion on is really weird and I don't even know what you are talking about.
I meant to say the same Attack Ryuma used on the Western Dragon in Wano that Long time ago. The pose Ryuma had when he killed the dragon was the same as Zoro had when he was attacking Kaido.
The Scabbards lack the latter of what I've just described.
Also "Inherited Will" is a very important part of the manga. In fact right when Zoro received Enma their was the editor's note regarding "inherited Will" mentioned on that very same page. Enma's or Oden "Will: thirsting for Kaido's blood doesn't add any power up to Zoro. it's the same thing as using intimidation. Enma let loose its blood lust. That's all it did and drained Zoro's Haki much more than Zoro wanted. Big Mom and Kaido felt Enma's or Odens "Will" within the sword. "Will" being its desire for slaying Kaido which is Enma's Will that Oden left unfulfilled.
You didn't even read my post. If you did you would realize I've mentioned and differentiated between the types of Haki you are talking about. You calling me out on something we share the same opinion on is really weird and I don't even know what you are talking about.
I meant to say the same Attack Ryuma used on the Western Dragon in Wano that Long time ago. The pose Ryuma had when he killed the dragon was the same as Zoro had when he was attacking Kaido.
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sorry.. but.. he doesn't even know enma's name..
and you initial argument was about zoro imbuing his own haki (which is true) which is what kaido feels...soo that should go the same for his other swrods since during tatsumaki he hardens them.. according to u kaido should be feeling the oddity in all of zoro's swords but kaido says..
IT MUST BE ODEN' SWORD... you kinda contradicted yourself there by not applying the oddity is haki aspect to other blades that QUOTE EN QUOTE cut Kaido
and you initial argument was about zoro imbuing his own haki (which is true) which is what kaido feels...soo that should go the same for his other swrods since during tatsumaki he hardens them.. according to u kaido should be feeling the oddity in all of zoro's swords but kaido says..
IT MUST BE ODEN' SWORD... you kinda contradicted yourself there by not applying the oddity is haki aspect to other blades that QUOTE EN QUOTE cut Kaido
Kaido asked himself if the strange haki was from Enma i don't think he gave a definitive answer or statement it was indeed coming from Enma. The first time attention was drawn to Enma it was the only sword Zoro used with hiryu kaen the second time Kaido does not confirm anything but is rather asking himself a question, it's when attack landed that he felt the same familiar sensation from Oden attack which makes me believe it was Zoro haki he felt strange and not anything that was coming from Enma. He would have confirmed it when the attack landed in that case and answered his own question where the strange haki was coming from with a comment like "so that strange haki was coming from Oden's sword. The same applies if Enma somehow changed Zoro haki like you were saying i believe Kaido would have mentioned it as well
Shusui as a black blade is the same rank as Enma as a non black blade.
Shusui is at the highest rank it can achieve, while Enma can still become a rank higher, making it a Legendary Grade Sword, as per Hitetsu.
People need to stop acting like Shusui is the stronger Sword just because Ryuma turned it black, as we know that turning a sword black raises it's rank, and Enma has the potential to become greater.
That tells us, Shusui was a lower grade Sword than Enma prior to it becoming black, and after becoming black it became a Great Grade Sword.
Shusui is at the highest rank it can achieve, while Enma can still become a rank higher, making it a Legendary Grade Sword, as per Hitetsu.
People need to stop acting like Shusui is the stronger Sword just because Ryuma turned it black, as we know that turning a sword black raises it's rank, and Enma has the potential to become greater.
That tells us, Shusui was a lower grade Sword than Enma prior to it becoming black, and after becoming black it became a Great Grade Sword.
But after it landed he did say this.
That all comes from this panel:
Look at how Enma even gets it’s own panel.
If you don’t want to be convinced then what I say and point to isn’t going to convince you. I’m approaching the situation from someone who is a fan of Zoro. So I don’t find Enma having special properties about it that aid him in fighting Kaido to be any kind of knock on Zoro. I find the fact that Zoro is the only man in Wano capable of wielding such a dangerous and powerful double edged sword to be very hype.
I used the analogy earlier of a abnormally fast car that has poor handling that could only be driven effectively by a truely special driver. That is what it appears Oda is intending with Zoro and Enma. Just going beyond Kaido & BM, Oda himself obviously wants to hype Enma by putting those words in their mouths because he is very excited about this new badass sword he’s given to one of his favorite characters.
That all comes from this panel:
Look at how Enma even gets it’s own panel.
If you don’t want to be convinced then what I say and point to isn’t going to convince you. I’m approaching the situation from someone who is a fan of Zoro. So I don’t find Enma having special properties about it that aid him in fighting Kaido to be any kind of knock on Zoro. I find the fact that Zoro is the only man in Wano capable of wielding such a dangerous and powerful double edged sword to be very hype.
I used the analogy earlier of a abnormally fast car that has poor handling that could only be driven effectively by a truely special driver. That is what it appears Oda is intending with Zoro and Enma. Just going beyond Kaido & BM, Oda himself obviously wants to hype Enma by putting those words in their mouths because he is very excited about this new badass sword he’s given to one of his favorite characters.
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Shusui as a black blade is the same rank as Enma as a non black blade.
Shusui is at the highest rank it can achieve, while Enma can still become a rank higher, making it a Legendary Grade Sword, as per Hitetsu.
People need to stop acting like Shusui is the stronger Sword just because Ryuma turned it black, as we know that turning a sword black raises it's rank, and Enma has the potential to become greater.
That tells us, Shusui was a lower grade Sword than Enma prior to it becoming black, and after becoming black it became a Great Grade Sword.
Shusui is at the highest rank it can achieve, while Enma can still become a rank higher, making it a Legendary Grade Sword, as per Hitetsu.
People need to stop acting like Shusui is the stronger Sword just because Ryuma turned it black, as we know that turning a sword black raises it's rank, and Enma has the potential to become greater.
That tells us, Shusui was a lower grade Sword than Enma prior to it becoming black, and after becoming black it became a Great Grade Sword.