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Zoro chose Enma. Sounds like a "same difference" thing but it's a pretty different concept actually and the problem some are having here. The idea that a sword mastered before Oden was 18 and left to weakass Hiyori determines the strength of a guy who mastered a black sword.
it's different from the other swords, but there's nothing that he won't be able to do without it once he's gotten the hang of it.
So you... agree?
it's different from the other swords, but there's nothing that he won't be able to do without it once he's gotten the hang of it.
So you... agree?
This is an interesting post because just about everything you posted I have already answered or countered so I'm just going to post those responses here.
Luffy never damage the dragon. Only punched it. Zoro killed it with one attack. There is a big difference between the two.
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Every Scabbards cut Kaido. They can't use enma.
Before I even answer this question I need to explain what ryu is. Some people don't understand. Ryu is Wano citizens term for haki. The only difference is most of them are swordsmen or weapon users for them to be able to properly use ryu or haki with their weapon or fighting style they have to learn flow/barrier haki so they can add it to their weapon. Flow/barrier haki is the ability to flow haki from the body.
Zoro first used ryu against Mr. 1. Yes, he has had that power (ryu) since pre time skip.
First, Zoro having enma using doesn't automatically mean he can Kaido. When Zoro first attacked Kaido he didn't cut him. That alone proves the ability to cut Kaido comes from the users (Zoro), not the sword (enma). I almost believe Oda did that on purpose to squash the belief enma is the reason he cut Kaido.
When Zoro used Dragon twister he cut Kaido with all three swords. That is a 3 sword attack. If he wouldn't have cut Kaido with all 3 swords then he would have commented on it. The manga even hints at Zoro ability to cut Kaido way back when he cut the dragon during punk hazard. That's why that feat is compared to Ryuma's feat in the official one piece magazine and even ask if Zoro will repeat Ryuma's legendary dragon cutting feat in Wano.
Enma doesn't increase the strength of Zoro's haki, it just forces him to release larger amounts of haki. Zoro's haki strength would be the same with or without enma. Enma does not retain its previous users haki or store haki.
Yes, Kaido and Big Mom both comment on the sword because it is a unique sword. I have already explained that.
When Zoro cut Kaido with his dragon twister Big Mom stated Zoro cut Kaido. While Kaido stated he felt an unfamiliar haki. It wasn't Oden's haki since Kaido is familiar with Oden's haki. That means the haki he felt was Zoro's haki.
Zoro would be stronger right now with shisui because he fully mastered that sword.
His battle against Pica showed us a small percent of his true power.
We didn't see the true strength of that attack because he didn't need to use billion fold world to cut the golem. The second attack Zoro used, which was a none name attack, cut a large section of Pica than his first attack.
I have already mentioned he cut and killed a dragon with shisui.
Swordsman grow stronger with new swords but that is after they master the sword. That comes from properly controlling the sword. If the user cuts too little or too much with the new sword they haven't mastered. Zoro hasn't fully mastered enma. He is stronger with enma then he was when he first obtained it but still has ways to go. Remembering, what true makes swordsman strong is their ability to cut what they want to or not cut.
Zoro without enma but with shisui would perform similar.
PS: The reason some believe Zoro can't do much to Kaido without enma is because they fail to understand ryu/haki is the key to cutting/hurting Kaido, not enma.
Zoro first used ryu against Mr. 1. Yes, he has had that power (ryu) since pre time skip.
First, Zoro having enma using doesn't automatically mean he can Kaido. When Zoro first attacked Kaido he didn't cut him. That alone proves the ability to cut Kaido comes from the users (Zoro), not the sword (enma). I almost believe Oda did that on purpose to squash the belief enma is the reason he cut Kaido.
When Zoro used Dragon twister he cut Kaido with all three swords. That is a 3 sword attack. If he wouldn't have cut Kaido with all 3 swords then he would have commented on it. The manga even hints at Zoro ability to cut Kaido way back when he cut the dragon during punk hazard. That's why that feat is compared to Ryuma's feat in the official one piece magazine and even ask if Zoro will repeat Ryuma's legendary dragon cutting feat in Wano.
Enma doesn't increase the strength of Zoro's haki, it just forces him to release larger amounts of haki. Zoro's haki strength would be the same with or without enma. Enma does not retain its previous users haki or store haki.
Yes, Kaido and Big Mom both comment on the sword because it is a unique sword. I have already explained that.
When Zoro cut Kaido with his dragon twister Big Mom stated Zoro cut Kaido. While Kaido stated he felt an unfamiliar haki. It wasn't Oden's haki since Kaido is familiar with Oden's haki. That means the haki he felt was Zoro's haki.
Zoro would be stronger right now with shisui because he fully mastered that sword.
His battle against Pica showed us a small percent of his true power.
We didn't see the true strength of that attack because he didn't need to use billion fold world to cut the golem. The second attack Zoro used, which was a none name attack, cut a large section of Pica than his first attack.
I have already mentioned he cut and killed a dragon with shisui.
Swordsman grow stronger with new swords but that is after they master the sword. That comes from properly controlling the sword. If the user cuts too little or too much with the new sword they haven't mastered. Zoro hasn't fully mastered enma. He is stronger with enma then he was when he first obtained it but still has ways to go. Remembering, what true makes swordsman strong is their ability to cut what they want to or not cut.
Zoro without enma but with shisui would perform similar.
PS: The reason some believe Zoro can't do much to Kaido without enma is because they fail to understand ryu/haki is the key to cutting/hurting Kaido, not enma.
The number of cuts Zoro's opponent receives isn't determined by the number of swords uses to cut them.
Zoro used 3 swords attack against Pica but it produced one cut.
The Fishman and shields receive one cut from the dragon twister.
Kaku received one cut from Zoro's asura mode (9 sword style) attack.
You can see from above that Kaido receiving one cut doesn't mean he only cut him with enma. Zoro cut Kaido with all swords since that's what he wanted to do and he didn't say didn't happen.
The reason he focused his attention on enma was because that was his new sword, he hasn't master it, and it was the cause of his problems. Zoro didn't want to use too much haki and ended up using too little haki.
Shisui is stronger than enma pound for pound. If both sword were used and the same amount of haki or no haki was used shishu would produce the stronger attack. That is because shisui is a black blade. That makes it stronger.
Zoro used 3 swords attack against Pica but it produced one cut.
The Fishman and shields receive one cut from the dragon twister.
Kaku received one cut from Zoro's asura mode (9 sword style) attack.
You can see from above that Kaido receiving one cut doesn't mean he only cut him with enma. Zoro cut Kaido with all swords since that's what he wanted to do and he didn't say didn't happen.
The reason he focused his attention on enma was because that was his new sword, he hasn't master it, and it was the cause of his problems. Zoro didn't want to use too much haki and ended up using too little haki.
Shisui is stronger than enma pound for pound. If both sword were used and the same amount of haki or no haki was used shishu would produce the stronger attack. That is because shisui is a black blade. That makes it stronger.
He's my post again because you need to read it again.
If Zoro only cut Kaido with enma than he would mention it. Skill swordsman cuts what they wish to cut. If Zoro is using a 3 sword technique that means he wishes to cut his opponent or target with 3 swords. If that doesn't happen he would stated it.
It's funny to me that the Scabbards, who are all weaker than Zoro, can cut Kaido with enma but some believe Zoro needs enma to cut Kaido.
If Zoro only cut Kaido with enma than he would mention it. Skill swordsman cuts what they wish to cut. If Zoro is using a 3 sword technique that means he wishes to cut his opponent or target with 3 swords. If that doesn't happen he would stated it.
It's funny to me that the Scabbards, who are all weaker than Zoro, can cut Kaido with enma but some believe Zoro needs enma to cut Kaido.
I believe he commented on their attack because it was a strong attack. He gave props to Law for dropping some rocks on him and called everyone little monsters.
An Yonko doesn't know everything. The reason he's single out enma was because that's the only sword he knows about.
We aren't told the sword change the haki in any way.
I believe Kaido mentioned it because he felt a large amount of haki he's never felt before and he knows that can damage him.
An Yonko doesn't know everything. The reason he's single out enma was because that's the only sword he knows about.
We aren't told the sword change the haki in any way.
I believe Kaido mentioned it because he felt a large amount of haki he's never felt before and he knows that can damage him.
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Every Scabbards cut Kaido. They can't use enma.
But see thats the thing Enma has the potential to surpass shusui so does wado...and nidai doesnt it make sense that shusui stands atop all the other regular blades in its class when it ranked up?zoro understands this ..once i master enma and make it black it will surpass shusui eventually same for the other blades in its class and maybe im wrong with this logic but if the level up system applies to yoru then heck we have 11 other blades with the potential to be over it without even needing to be black because they would be at the cusp of turning black and achieving a rank untold of...yes i understand that this is headcannon and yoru may have been a supreme grade at the start im just going by what tengu said could happen so to me it makes sense that shusui is in a league of its own but yes i agree with u its maxed out but zoro could trade if off making himself weaker yes but in the long run gaining more strength becaue enma has way more potential then shusui
He would make the same damage as the scabbards without Enma (at Ashura Douji lvl probably, though Oda didnt really cared about distinguishing the strength between each scabbard and all of them looked equal, but we know that's not the case).
But anyway, it won't be much different since if Zoro with Enma did 0,5 % of damage, without it is 0,25% let's say, Kaido won't really perceive it anyway.
But anyway, it won't be much different since if Zoro with Enma did 0,5 % of damage, without it is 0,25% let's say, Kaido won't really perceive it anyway.
In the Japanese language the word "Haki" encompasses many definitions and on top of that It's additionally also a form of attack power in the One Piece world. When "Haki" gets translated people don't know what type of "Haki" is mentioned when a character's or objects "Haki" is mentioned. That is were the confusion comes in. People need to understand this word linguistically in its original language in order to understand what the characters in the manga are talking about.
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Think of Enma as a Cursed Blade. Its unfulfilled "Will" is so great that whoever touches it, it takes his "CoA" to fulfill its "Will". Which is to kill Kaido. Notice how we are differentiating all these types of "Haki" with different words like "Will" and "CoA" etc... A typical Japanese wouldn't need to all these different terms to explain this word. They would understand its whole meaning unlike many of us.
Enma is Berserking Blade out for Kaido's blood. Only someone who's "Haki" or "Will" is greater than it can wield it.
So Enma just wants a capable user who is able to carry out it's "Will".
Enma tried to drain Zoro but couldn't. Others who tried died or nearly died. Its a Cursed Blade that tried to over power Zoro but Zoro's "Will or Haki" overpowered Enma's "Will". So Zoro's "Haki" is greater than Oden or Enma's.
Same thing can be said about how Zoro's first cursed blade he got at Louge town.
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Think of Enma as a Cursed Blade. Its unfulfilled "Will" is so great that whoever touches it, it takes his "CoA" to fulfill its "Will". Which is to kill Kaido. Notice how we are differentiating all these types of "Haki" with different words like "Will" and "CoA" etc... A typical Japanese wouldn't need to all these different terms to explain this word. They would understand its whole meaning unlike many of us.
Enma is Berserking Blade out for Kaido's blood. Only someone who's "Haki" or "Will" is greater than it can wield it.
So Enma just wants a capable user who is able to carry out it's "Will".
Enma tried to drain Zoro but couldn't. Others who tried died or nearly died. Its a Cursed Blade that tried to over power Zoro but Zoro's "Will or Haki" overpowered Enma's "Will". So Zoro's "Haki" is greater than Oden or Enma's.
Same thing can be said about how Zoro's first cursed blade he got at Louge town.
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Upon carefully reading I see your point. Essentially what you are saying is that enma choose zoro because it senses his haki. Basically he has the conquering will (kings haki) to weild the sword in the first place. I get that. Wasn't arguing that though. Was arguing in what I thought you were explaining haki to be. Though I will admit if you were trying to say what you are saying now then I was the one that misunderstood you and apologize
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The number of cuts Zoro's opponents receive isn't determined by the number of swords used.
Zoro used 3 swords attack against Pica but it produced one cut.
The Fishman and shields receive one cut from the dragon twister.
Kaku received one cut from Zoro's asura mode (9 sword style) attack.
You can see from above that Kaido receiving one cut doesn't mean he only cut him with enma. Zoro cut Kaido with all swords since that's what he wanted to do and he didn't say didn't happen.
The reason he focused his attention on enma was because that was his new sword, he hasn't master it, and it was the cause of his problems. Zoro didn't want to use too much haki and ended up using too little haki.
Shisui is stronger than enma pound for pound. If both sword were used and the same amount of haki or no haki was used shishu would produce the stronger attack. That is because shisui is a black blade. That makes it stronger.
Zoro used 3 swords attack against Pica but it produced one cut.
The Fishman and shields receive one cut from the dragon twister.
Kaku received one cut from Zoro's asura mode (9 sword style) attack.
You can see from above that Kaido receiving one cut doesn't mean he only cut him with enma. Zoro cut Kaido with all swords since that's what he wanted to do and he didn't say didn't happen.
The reason he focused his attention on enma was because that was his new sword, he hasn't master it, and it was the cause of his problems. Zoro didn't want to use too much haki and ended up using too little haki.
Shisui is stronger than enma pound for pound. If both sword were used and the same amount of haki or no haki was used shishu would produce the stronger attack. That is because shisui is a black blade. That makes it stronger.
I've been looking over a few chapters & came with the conclusion that without enma zoro wouldn't have did so well as he did against the yonko's , kaido only made reference to enma not zoro, big mom also, even when zoro use three swords to cut kaido it was only enma that cut not the other two sword, it's a fact zoro needed oden sword to become stronger even zoro knows this 
now someone prove me wrong
now someone prove me wrong
Indeed, the major issue is the black blade notion since Enma was proved to likely costitute a training tool and not much more overall. So swords of the same grade should possibly entail a similar power and the black blade could make a difference potential. Also no real proof Zoro mastered Enma's usage on top of the cake.
