Speculations Suke Suke no Mi, inspired by Hokuto No Ken, is a special devil fruit

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
This theory is great and all but do u really expect oda to give awakening to an irrelevant bum like shiryu when he didn't give it to Kaido and BM?
Well, Kaido and Big Mom were supposed to be the toughest in the world.
Oda made up a new character just for Zoro and gave him toughness above Kaido's and BM's.
Kaku got Awakening, an irrelevant bum existing only for Zoro. Supreme Janitor will Awaken 2 Devil Fruits, not just 1.
 
One thing you gotta love about Shiryu is that he was already a stealth master before eating the devil fruit. The suke should at the very least allow him to hide his presence, making his aura undetectable by CoO. This could be limited by stamina but you still expect Shiryu to be dangerous due to his stealth skills and invisible body.

If he does acquire a completely intangible form, then there should be 2 criteria imo, it has to be for a very short lived time, the second is that when Shiryu attacks his opponent he has to become tangible again, same with King switching between durability and speed.
Another overlooked aspect about this fight is the location. The suke would be much more effective in a closed off space.

Hopefully Zoro doesn’t counter him with future sight. Instead, mastering his emotional CoO to sense Shiryu’s bloodlust would make for a much more grim fight.
Shiryu vs Zoro has the potential to be one of the coolest fights, I’m even more excited about it than the Mihawk fight
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
How is he getting a 2nd DF?
U think his sword will have it too?
Of course, the whole plotline of DFs being capable of being fed to weapons does not exist for the sake of Mr.4's weapon or Spandam's weapon. It is clearly introduced to be used on someone from the end-game and Shiryu is likely that guy, considering that Luffy's and Zoro's opponents often share a similar theme and Blackbeard's theme are multiple DFs. Shiryu could potentially even match BB's 3 DFs...
 
Of course, the whole plotline of DFs being capable of being fed to weapons does not exist for the sake of Mr.4's weapon or Spandam's weapon. It is clearly introduced to be used on someone from the end-game and Shiryu is likely that guy, considering that Luffy's and Zoro's opponents often share a similar theme and Blackbeard's theme are multiple DFs. Shiryu could potentially even match BB's 3 DFs...
The problem is, only VP knows how to feed a DF to inanimate objects. Not sure how Shiryu is supposed to feed his sword a DF without that knowledge
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
The problem is, only VP knows how to feed a DF to inanimate objects. Not sure how Shiryu is supposed to feed his sword a DF without that knowledge
Blackbeard Pirates may be more knowledgeable than we think.
After all, the whole world was dumbfounded when they realized BB extracted WB's fruit and used it himself.
Not even sure if VP is capable of that... Either way, if Oda wants 2 DFs on Shiryu, he will do it, one way or another.
 
Blackbeard Pirates may be more knowledgeable than we think.
After all, the whole world was dumbfounded when they realized BB extracted WB's fruit and used it himself.
Not even sure if VP is capable of that... Either way, if Oda wants 2 DFs on Shiryu, he will do it, one way or another.
I think Teacher extracting Gura DF is something only unique to him due to him possessing Yami fruit.

I do agree that BB has some crazy knowledge about stuff in general, but him possessing this kind of scientific knowledge would be far fetched imo.

Oda most likely will make Teach extremely unique, don't think anyone else in his crew will have similarities to him
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
I think Teacher extracting Gura DF is something only unique to him due to him possessing Yami fruit.

I do agree that BB has some crazy knowledge about stuff in general, but him possessing this kind of scientific knowledge would be far fetched imo.

Oda most likely will make Teach extremely unique, don't think anyone else in his crew will have similarities to him
Wasnt Burgess trying to extract Mera no Mi from Sabo? :quest:
I could be wrong but I had that impression.
BB certainly is unique due to eating 3 DFs, nobody else will do that in the show.
Even tho Cavendish could potentially eat 2 due to Hakuba's soul inside of him.
Still, BB and Shiryu can parallel each other with multiple DFs, Shiryu would simply be stuffing them into his sword(s).
 
Blackbeard Pirates may be more knowledgeable than we think.
After all, the whole world was dumbfounded when they realized BB extracted WB's fruit and used it himself.
Not even sure if VP is capable of that... Either way, if Oda wants 2 DFs on Shiryu, he will do it, one way or another.
What DF is it supposed to be though. Shiryu pre DF was as dangerous as Magellan, indicating his high skill with the sword, allowing him to be incredibly lethal. A blade being transformed into another object wouldn't really add up to his strength. So it's more likely to be a paramecia that adds features to his already existing power.

But then again, being as dangerous as Magellan before his DF, on top of having an awakened invisibility fruit and maybe an ACoC upgrade should be tricky enough. King's role was to have Zoro overpower the invulnerable, while Shiryu will give Zoro the opportunity to target the undetectable.
Wasnt Burgess trying to extract Mera no Mi from Sabo? :quest:
Probably just killing Sabo and having the fruit reborn.
 
Wasnt Burgess trying to extract Mera no Mi from Sabo? :quest:
I could be wrong but I had that impression.
Even I don't remember this part very well.

Still, BB and Shiryu can parallel each other with multiple DFs, Shiryu would simply be stuffing them into his sword(s).
I don't think I can get on board with this speculation. Oda most likely keep the multiple fruits ability strictly reserved for Teach. Don't think Shiryu's sword getting a DF will be an exception here
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Probably just killing Sabo and having the fruit reborn.

It is implied here that he can take the fruit right there and then.
Probably Blackbeard told his entire crew how to extract fruits from dead people.
The titanic captains are always spread out on missions, Blackbeard cant be with them all to get them fruits.
They know how to do it on their own. @HellBlazer04

don't think I can get on board with this speculation. Oda most likely keep the multiple fruits ability strictly reserved for Teach. Don't think Shiryu's sword getting a DF will be an exception here
Certainly, a speculation for now but as I said, often their opponent share something in common.
If DF doesn't happen with Shiryu's sword, the whole point of that ability was for Mr4 and Spandam which is kind of a wasted potential.

What DF is it supposed to be though. Shiryu pre DF was as dangerous as Magellan, indicating his high skill with the sword, allowing him to be incredibly lethal. A blade being transformed into another object wouldn't really add up to his strength. So it's more likely to be a paramecia that adds features to his already existing power.

But then again, being as dangerous as Magellan before his DF, on top of having an awakened invisibility fruit and maybe an ACoC upgrade should be tricky enough. King's role was to have Zoro overpower the invulnerable, while Shiryu will give Zoro the opportunity to target the undetectable.
You have to think of it like this - what ability would give Zoro the most trouble - Shiryu's Ittoryu is way too simple for Zoro to struggle against it. He doesn't have powerful haki to compete with Zoro that way, as Shanks/Mihawk can, that's why he needs to compete in a different way.

The most trouble Zoro ever had was against Kaku's Yontoryu and since nobody in post-TS has had an overwhelming combat style, I think Shiryu will be the one with it. Transforming the sword into an object is not to add up strength, it is to pressure Zoro where he is the best at - combat style. Paramecia is out of the question because only Zoans can be fed to objects.

I doubt he has CoC let alone aCoC. Plenty of Zoro's obstacles have aCoC, no need for it on Shiryu.
King was a test of raw strength and cutting power. Shiryu will be a test of combat style and cutting formless Nothingness.
Only one DF comes to mind and we already saw it - Orochi's fruit that was portrayed as Power once handed over to Orochi.

Coincidentally, it turns Shiryu's 1-sword style into an overwhelming 8-sword style and that is what will give Zoro trouble, needing Asura.
Also, Orochi has literally shown off nothing of the fruit, even less than Absalom did with Suke no Mi.
Heck, if Oda wants, Shiryu could complete Blackbeard's theme of all 3 types if he obtains Kizaru's sword of the gathering heavens.
Coincidentally, Kizaru is showing off the bare minimum despite several combat encounters...
 
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