Current Events The Supernova Have Been Fighting Hybrid Kaido and Mama for a While

[HA001]

I know, but i'm saying that in the scanlation, Luffy is referring to all their attacks being ineffective, not just his own


Once again, it's to highlight Luffy's never give up attitude. We're talking about someone who attacked the 3 logia admirals preskip when he couldn't use haki, in an attempt to get past them and save Ace. And even without haki, fighting 2 yonko with 5 fighters is better than fighting them with just 4 fighters. It gives them a supplementary support advantage while at the same time, wasting more time for his haki to come back

As stated, there was no use of G4. In the panel before we see Luffy sent crashing, he is in base, and while coming out of the rubble he is in base

With Oda showing Luffy charging at them with a gomu gomu attack once again in base, and being sent flying once again

It's to show what Luffy had been doing during that time

Which only leads to 2 conclusions. Either his haki didn't come back yet, or he is reserving G4 for later, but i'd favor the former due to the circumstances.

Once again. A never give up attitude doesn't mean he's become so retarded to think base hits with no haki is working against kaido which he himself said this chapter.
In kuri g4 got one shot doing no damage.
He trained for 2 weeks just to be able to hurt kaido.

 

[WesMidnight]

How do you know Luffy didn't use haki?

When Luffy struck Kaido, we see black lightning:

Black lightning isn't always indicative of haki usage, but it's commonly seen in haki clashes.


Anyway, the Katakuri fight is completely irrelevant. This is Luffy after he ran out of G4 against Kaido:

He couldn't even dodge Mama's attack by himself and had to be carried by Zoro:

He's once again carried away from danger by Zoro:

Zoro once again carries Luffy and Luffy is helpless in Kaido's tornado:

He can't even prevent himself from being bitten:

Luffy is once again dead weight that can't do anything by himself:

Zoro has to once again carry Luffy and dodge Kaido's attacks:

Luffy is once again utterly spent:

Compare the Luffy I just showed you (post Boundman cooldown), to Luffy in this chapter.

He attacks Kaido head on:

He gets rejected:

After getting rejected, he attacks Kaido again, stating that he believes their attacks should be working:

He's once again rejected:

Notice how Zoro isn't literally carrying him around like he's a sack of potatoes? How Zoro is instead cautioning him to think before brashly attacking the Yonkou?

Luffy still has the energy to scream and shout:

Compare Luffy's utter exhaustion in 1003 to his defiant smile in 1008:

The fact is that Post Boundman Luffy was a sack of potatoes that could not even lift a single finger by himself and was constantly carried around by Zoro. In this chapter we see him attack Kaido head-on twice. To claim that Luffy went from being a sack of potatoes to the most energetic of the Supernova while he still can't use haki is unfathomably stupid.

@Admiral Lee Hung, @Celestial D. Dragon, @WesMidnight.

Luffy was IMMEDIATELY post G4 full fatigue, when BM and then Kaido both attacked him.

If Zoro or any of the SN's were attacked by BM IMMEDIATELY post being lightninged they would need saving too.

Instead BM attacked Luffy, failed and then spectated impotently with eye veins bulging in shock at G4's prowess against Kaido, giving the SNs precious moments to recover. BM is all about sneak attacks against Luffy, that is her favorite activity in this war.
Kaido capitalized on that moment then caught Luffy because Zoro didn't have his guard up properly.

After regaining his bearings Luffy should have been fine to move, he was fine in WCI (to the point of being able to subdue and capture Brulee NO DIFF while he had no haki and escape from perospero while holding Brulee). I think his haki might be restored by now, but I don't think Zoro was holding him the whole time, there is no reason to believe his body stamina wouldn't have got his second wind before his haki regenerated.

Luffy has the strongest willpower on the roof, he's just built different as Kaido acknowledges.

 

[Bogard]

Once again. A never give up attitude doesn't mean he's become so retarded to think base hits with no haki is working against kaido which he himself said this chapter.
In kuri g4 got one shot doing no damage.
He trained for 2 weeks just to be able to hurt kaido.

If he was attacking alone sure, but it's not the case. He is attacking with other people, with some(if not all of them) having the capability to hurt Kaido, and Kaido isn't the only enemy here. Big Mom is also there, that's why context matters.

And as stated, haki or not, fighting in a 2 vs 5 is still better than fighting in a 2 vs 4, especially in Luffy's case where he is the primarily target for Kaido and Big Mom. They both want him dead, so he is forced to defend himself.

But one thing is for certain, it's that he never used G4 off-panel. Oda depicted him attacking them twice in a row, to show how the clashes had been going and there was no use of G4

At best, you could argue that he has been attempting to reserve G4 for later considering he could hurt base Kaido even with a G3 attack(red rock) due to being the only one on the rooftop with level3 hardening

 

[matt245]

Luffy was IMMEDIATELY post G4 full fatigue, when BM and then Kaido both attacked him.

If Zoro or any of the SN's were attacked by BM IMMEDIATELY post being lightninged they would need saving too.

Instead BM attacked Luffy, failed and then spectated impotently with eye veins bulging in shock at G4's prowess against Kaido, giving the SNs precious moments to recover. BM is all about sneak attacks against Luffy, that is her favorite activity in this war.
Kaido capitalized on that moment then caught Luffy because Zoro didn't have his guard up properly.

After regaining his bearings Luffy should have been fine to move, he was fine in WCI (to the point of being able to subdue and capture Brulee NO DIFF while he had no haki and escape from perospero while holding Brulee). I think his haki might be restored by now, but I don't think Zoro was holding him the whole time, there is no reason to believe his body stamina wouldn't have got his second wind before his haki regenerated.

Luffy has the strongest willpower on the roof, he's just built different as Kaido acknowledges.

One thing is having willpower and other thing is being a straight up dumbass.

 

[WesMidnight]

One thing is having willpower and other thing is being a straight up dumbass.

Kaido doesn't consider it stupid, he compliments Luffy on his behavior this chapter.
Luffy is the freak who shocks freaks.

 

[Jackteo]

Your mistake is thinking that Pre Udon Luffy is "clearly above any version of the other 4 Supernova". That's straight up false, and this chapter showed it.

Come on, Zoro, Kid or Law now are stronger than that Luffy or comparable to him?
Haki blooms during tough fights and they reached him doing nothing?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

One thing is having willpower and other thing is being a straight up dumbass.

Jumping in front of three admirals that he knows he can’t even hurt without a plan.

Punching a celestial dragon knowing full well what the consequences are.

Going to war with BM while simultaneously going to war with Kaido

Luffy is a straight up dumbass due to his willpower

 

[HA001]

Jumping in front of three admirals that he knows he can’t even hurt without a plan.

Punching a celestial dragon knowing full well what the consequences are.

Going to war with BM while simultaneously going to war with Kaido

Luffy is a straight up dumbass due to his willpower

He had to save ace.


He didn't care about the consequences

He trained for 2 weeks JUST TO BE ABLE TO HURT KAIDO
He got negged by kaido in kuri.

Why would he think base hits with no haki would actually damage a stronger kaido than the one that one shot him

 

[kom5]

Lol Law fought an admiral and Doflamingo more than a dozens minutes maybe one hour while Sanji got destroyed in seconds and Jozu got trashed

Law is a monster people can't really gouge strength in forums because of there bias

 

[Cinera]

I wouldn't say posing, but it does seem to be more of a "come at me" deal where the Yonko have fun crushing the SN's attempts.

Even after Big Mom somehow get's removed the battle with Kaido will be extremely difficult, even with the SN's potentially getting more reinforcements like Yamato, so Oda's showing us how hopeless it would be to fight both Yonko at the same time, without outright getting Luffy and the others killed, since that obviously can't really happen.

Anyway Kaido and BM are waiting to see if the SN can actually entertain them and to what extent. Eventually they will most likely lose but the yonkos are not fully serious yet while the SN5 have to come up with some bew tactic to try to snatch victory.

Big Mom and Kaido are having time of their lives taking their sweet time torturing the a lesson.

It is obv to any non fan fav blinded readwr that Yonkos arent even trying wheres SN are fighting for their life

Yeah so? SN are obv outmatched heavily while BM and Kaido play with their food

ll it goes hand in hand with him being the only one stupidly throwing himself at the two Yonko to no avail at this point, while the others had given up on that, question their ability to even harm them, and are focused on finding an alternative route, trying to find a way to get rid of one of the two Yonko, because this situation is a hellish one for them.

I draw that conclusion from the image Oda's painting for us. The SN's giving up on fighting both Yonko and thinking their efforts are futile, while the Yonko are enjoying themselves, waiting for the SN's to give their best shots, only to throw them back against the wall time and time again, checking to see if they still have any fighting spirit left in them afterwards.

This is an alternative history TBF.

At the end of Chapter 1001, the Yonkou declared their intent to kill the Supernova and that doing so shall place them "that much closer" to becoming the Pirate King.

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Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama sneak attacked Luffy while he was recovering from Kaido's Thunder Bagua?

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Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Kaido did the same?

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Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama sneak attacked Killer with Indra:

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Or when she did the same to Zoro?

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Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Kaido tried to chomp on Killer while he was temporarily out of commission?

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Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama tried to behead Luffy while he was immobile?

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Or when she tried again?

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Or when Kaido tried to chomp on the immobile Luffy?

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The Yonkou have been seriously trying to kill the Supernova. Just because they haven't succeeded doesn't mean you can claim they were only playing with their food. If they were indeed just playing around, they would never have resorted to sneak attacks or trying to catch the SN off guard. They wouldn't have relentlessly gone after Luffy when he was unable to defend himself.

Hell, most of the Yonkou's attacks on the Supernova have been on a Supernova that was:

• Off guard, disoriented
  • Mama's Heavenly Fire at post-Thunder Bagua Luffy
  • Kaido's club swing at post-Thunder Bagua Luffy
• Out of commission
  • Kaido trying to chomp Killer after Mama temporarily KOed him with Indra
• Immobile
  • Mama's Motherly Fire at post-Boundman Luffy
  • Mama's off panel attack at post-Boundman Luffy
  • Kaido chomping on post-Boundman Luffy
• Sneak attacks
  • Mama's Indra at Killer while he was focused on Kaido.
  • Mama's Indra at Zoro while he was focused on Kaido.

That's not the attitude of people that are playing with their opponents or otherwise trying to prolong their suffering. The Yonkou were dead serious while trying to kill the Supernova. They were just simply unable to defeat them with the level of strength they had been using. As a result, they powered up (Kaido used his Hybrid form, Mama used all her three homies and fused with Prometheus); they were still unable to kill the Supernova.

The idea that the Yonkou were not trying to kill them since they powered up is just bad fanfiction — the Yonkou were simply not strong enough to do so.

 

[Marimo_420]

Filler. ❤

 

[Cinera]

The events you brought up give no timeframe confirmation. Infact this point in particular doesn't help in anything considering Marco has been fighting King and Queen since chapter 1000, the time when he sent Zoro to the roof

The rooftop battle started afterwards, with them fighting for some time, Luffy going G4, with them fighting for a long while, Luffy running out of the G4, before Oda showing what is happening inside the roof(including what's going on between Marco and King/Queen)

We know however that Luffy has a 10minute timelimit after using G4, and from what we've seen, Luffy is still fighting in base. We literally see Luffy in base(upper left panel) before being sent flying(middle panel) and still looking in base(bottom right panel) in a continuous panel sequence

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There was no use of G4 at all

In the same panel we see him attempting to attack with his gomu gomu no attack, and sent relying once again in base

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So either, his haki didn't come back yet, or he is reserving G4 for later, but the latter doesn't make sense considering they've been aiming for dealing meaningful damage, and thus not going for his strongest mode when it could be helpful to perform the task doesn't make sense unless we're simply still within his 10min timeframe for him to recover his haki

I know, but i'm saying that in the scanlation, Luffy is referring to all their attacks being ineffective, not just his own


Once again, it's to highlight Luffy's never give up attitude. We're talking about someone who attacked the 3 logia admirals preskip when he couldn't use haki, in an attempt to get past them and save Ace. And even without haki, fighting 2 yonko with 5 fighters is better than fighting them with just 4 fighters. It gives them a supplementary support advantage while at the same time, wasting more time for his haki to come back

As stated, there was no use of G4. In the panel before we see Luffy sent crashing, he is in base, and while coming out of the rubble he is in base

With Oda showing Luffy charging at them with a gomu gomu attack once again in base, and being sent flying once again

It's to show what Luffy had been doing during that time

Which only leads to 2 conclusions. Either his haki didn't come back yet, or he is reserving G4 for later, but i'd favor the former due to the circumstances.

If he was attacking alone sure, but it's not the case. He is attacking with other people, with some(if not all of them) having the capability to hurt Kaido, and Kaido isn't the only enemy here. Big Mom is also there, that's why context matters.

And as stated, haki or not, fighting in a 2 vs 5 is still better than fighting in a 2 vs 4, especially in Luffy's case where he is the primarily target for Kaido and Big Mom. They both want him dead, so he is forced to defend himself.

But one thing is for certain, it's that he never used G4 off-panel. Oda depicted him attacking them twice in a row, to show how the clashes had been going and there was no use of G4

At best, you could argue that he has been attempting to reserve G4 for later considering he could hurt base Kaido even with a G3 attack(red rock) due to being the only one on the rooftop with level3 hardening

If you haven't read it, here are my thoughts on it:
But Luffy Didn't Use Haki

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Some people claim that the ten minutes cannot have run out yet, because Luffy was supposedly still unable to use haki. As far as I'm aware, that argument is based on faulty premises.

Luffy's Haki Usage(?)

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When Luffy struck Kaido, we see black lightning:

Black lightning isn't always indicative of haki usage, but it's commonly seen in haki clashes.

Hakiless Luffy

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This is Luffy after he ran out of G4 against Kaido:

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He couldn't even dodge Mama's attack by himself and had to be carried by Zoro:

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He's once again carried away from danger by Zoro:

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Zoro once again carries Luffy and Luffy is helpless in Kaido's tornado:

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He can't even prevent himself from being bitten:

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Luffy is once again dead weight that can't do anything by himself:

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Zoro has to once again carry Luffy and dodge Kaido's attacks:

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Luffy is once again utterly spent:

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Current Luffy

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Compare the Luffy I just showed you (post-Boundman cooldown), to Luffy in this chapter.

He attacks Kaido head-on:

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He gets rejected:

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After getting rejected, he attacks Kaido again, stating that he believes their attacks should be working:

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He's once again rejected:

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Notice how Zoro isn't literally carrying him around like he's a sack of potatoes? How Zoro is instead cautioning him to think before brashly attacking the Yonkou?

Luffy still has the energy to scream and shout:

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In contrast to his utter exhaustion in 1003, he defiantly smiles in 1008:

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The Difference

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Luffy in Chapter 1003	Luffy in Chapter 1008
He could not do anything by himself	He was the most energetic of the Rooftop Supernova.
Zoro had to save him five times in the chapter.	He attacked Kaido by himself twice.
Zoro was worried for his safety.	Zoro was chastising him to think before brashly attacking the Yonkou.
He had a look of utter exhaustion when he saw Kaido.	He had a defiant grin when he locked eyes with Kaido.

The fact is that Post Boundman Luffy was a sack of potatoes that could not even lift a single finger by himself and was constantly carried around by Zoro. In this chapter we see him attack Kaido head-on twice. To claim that Luffy went from being a sack of potatoes to the most energetic of the Supernova while he still can't use haki is unfathomably stupid.

The other events that occurred between Chapters 1003 and 1008 and the Supernova's comments suggest they've been fighting for much more than 10 minutes.

Luffy fighting in Base is no different from Zoro fighting with 1 sword; they are simply trying to conserve their stamina.

I don't really understand how you would look at everything that happened in this chapter and suggest that the Supernova have been fighting for < 10 minutes.

• Zoro went from using Santoryu to fighting with only Ittoryu
  • This suggests that he's been fighting for long enough that continuing in Santoryu is exhausting.
• Kidd went from fighting with his giant robot to only controlling two smaller metal arms
• Mama switched from riding Zeus to riding Prometheus and fused with Prometheus.
  • She's now using Zeus as the weapon for her right hand.
  • At the end of Chapter 1003, she was riding Zeus and had not yet fused with Prometheus.
• Luffy, Zoro and Killer are shown panting.
• Many references have been made to just how long the Supernova have been fighting the Yonkou:
  • Luffy: "we've hit them so many times"
  • Killer: Honestly, after all this, I'm surprised he still considers them human.
  • Zoro: "how do we win against these monsters?"

One of the images is missing for me under "timeskip"

It's this one:

Come on, Zoro, Kid or Law now are stronger than that Luffy or comparable to him?
Haki blooms during tough fights and they reached him doing nothing?

Zoro left the timeskip stronger than Luffy. Luffy may have pulled ahead with his growth during WCI and Udon, but Zoro's Enma training closed the gap.

Law is significantly stronger than he was at Dressrosa.

 

[ZoroSlaysDragonTuna]

If you haven't read it, here are my thoughts on it:
But Luffy Didn't Use Haki

Spoiler

Some people claim that the ten minutes cannot have run out yet, because Luffy was supposedly still unable to use haki. As far as I'm aware, that argument is based on faulty premises.

Luffy's Haki Usage(?)

Spoiler

When Luffy struck Kaido, we see black lightning:

Black lightning isn't always indicative of haki usage, but it's commonly seen in haki clashes.

Hakiless Luffy

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This is Luffy after he ran out of G4 against Kaido:

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He couldn't even dodge Mama's attack by himself and had to be carried by Zoro:

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He's once again carried away from danger by Zoro:

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Zoro once again carries Luffy and Luffy is helpless in Kaido's tornado:

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He can't even prevent himself from being bitten:

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Luffy is once again dead weight that can't do anything by himself:

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Zoro has to once again carry Luffy and dodge Kaido's attacks:

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Luffy is once again utterly spent:

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Current Luffy

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Compare the Luffy I just showed you (post-Boundman cooldown), to Luffy in this chapter.

He attacks Kaido head-on:

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He gets rejected:

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After getting rejected, he attacks Kaido again, stating that he believes their attacks should be working:

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He's once again rejected:

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Notice how Zoro isn't literally carrying him around like he's a sack of potatoes? How Zoro is instead cautioning him to think before brashly attacking the Yonkou?

Luffy still has the energy to scream and shout:

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In contrast to his utter exhaustion in 1003, he defiantly smiles in 1008:

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The Difference

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Luffy in Chapter 1003	Luffy in Chapter 1008
He could not do anything by himself	He was the most energetic of the Rooftop Supernova.
Zoro had to save him five times in the chapter.	He attacked Kaido by himself twice.
Zoro was worried for his safety.	Zoro was chastising him to think before brashly attacking the Yonkou.
He had a look of utter exhaustion when he saw Kaido.	He had a defiant grin when he locked eyes with Kaido.

The fact is that Post Boundman Luffy was a sack of potatoes that could not even lift a single finger by himself and was constantly carried around by Zoro. In this chapter we see him attack Kaido head-on twice. To claim that Luffy went from being a sack of potatoes to the most energetic of the Supernova while he still can't use haki is unfathomably stupid.

The other events that occurred between Chapters 1003 and 1008 and the Supernova's comments suggest they've been fighting for much more than 10 minutes.

Luffy fighting in Base is no different from Zoro fighting with 1 sword; they are simply trying to conserve their stamina.

I don't really understand how you would look at everything that happened in this chapter and suggest that the Supernova have been fighting for < 10 minutes.

• Zoro went from using Santoryu to fighting with Ittoryu
• Kidd went from fighting with his giant robot to only controlling two smaller metal arms
• Mama switched from riding Zeus to riding Prometheus and fused with Prometheus.
  • She's now using Zeus as the weapon for her right hand.
• Luffy, Zoro and Killer are shown panting.
• Many references have been made to just how long the Supernova have been fighting the Yonkou:
  • Luffy: "we've hit them so many times"
  • Killer: Honestly, after all this, I'm surprised he still considers them human.
  • Zoro: "how do we win against these monsters?"

It's this one:

Zoro left the timeskip stronger than Luffy. Luffy may have pulled ahead with his growth during WCI and Udon, but Zoro's Enma training closed the gap.

Law is significantly stronger than he was at Dressrosa.

Thank you

 

[Marimo_420]

Let's be honest, no matter how you look at it, it doesn't make any sense. This can't be the exact moment Kaido went hybrid form for what they say in the latest chapter but the 5SN can't even be able to hold two emperors for a bunch of minutes. Human Kaido destroyed the scabbards (sulong dukes included) and oneshotted G4 Luffy at the beginning of Wano, and that Luffy is clearly above any version of the other 4 supernova.

Now they are against hybrid Kaido and Big Mom, can you imagine thinking hakiless Luffy, no asura Zoro, Kid, Killer and Law are so much stronger than 18 scabbards (twice the emperors, twice the scabbards)?






BM is going elsewhere, they are going down to Kaido alone. Then the other fighters are going to help them.

Candy logic.

Just becuase Sanji gets one shotted by a high tier, doesn't mean the rest of the cast do.

Worst generation are not sanji.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

This is an alternative history TBF.

At the end of Chapter 1001, the Yonkou declared their intent to kill the Supernova and that doing so shall place them "that much closer" to becoming the Pirate King.

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Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama sneak attacked Luffy while he was recovering from Kaido's Thunder Bagua?

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Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Kaido did the same?

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Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama sneak attacked Killer with Indra:

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Or when she did the same to Zoro?

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Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Kaido tried to chomp on Killer while he was temporarily out of commission?

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Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama tried to behead Luffy while he was immobile?

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Or when she tried again?

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Or when Kaido tried to chomp on the immobile Luffy?

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The Yonkou have been seriously trying to kill the Supernova. Just because they haven't succeeded doesn't mean you can claim they were only playing with their food. If they were indeed just playing around, they would never have resorted to sneak attacks or trying to catch the SN off guard. They wouldn't have relentlessly gone after Luffy when he was unable to defend himself.

Hell, most of the Yonkou's attacks on the Supernova have been on a Supernova that was:

• Off guard, disoriented
  • Mama's Heavenly Fire at post-Thunder Bagua Luffy
  • Kaido's club swing at post-Thunder Bagua Luffy
• Out of commission
  • Kaido trying to chomp Killer after Mama temporarily KOed him with Indra
• Immobile
  • Mama's Motherly Fire at post-Boundman Luffy
  • Mama's off panel attack at post-Boundman Luffy
  • Kaido chomping on post-Boundman Luffy
• Sneak attacks
  • Mama's Indra at Killer while he was focused on Kaido.
  • Mama's Indra at Zoro while he was focused on Kaido.

That's not the attitude of people that are playing with their opponents or otherwise trying to prolong their suffering. The Yonkou were dead serious while trying to kill the Supernova. They were just simply unable to defeat them with the level of strength they had been using. As a result, they powered up (Kaido used his Hybrid form, Mama used all her three homies and fused with Prometheus); they were still unable to kill the Supernova.

The idea that the Yonkou were not trying to kill them since they powered up is just bad fanfiction — the Yonkou were simply not strong enough to do so.

Basically powered down versions of the Yonko thought the SN's were not even worth playing with, and they're better off swatted away quickly. However, SN's did well enough to prove that they can provide some entertainment to the Yonko

Aka "This is getting fun", which signals a change in their approach.

Now a powered up version of the Yonko has their fun with he SN's. They welcome their many attacks, and send them back flying with ease. The situation is so hopeless that the SN's question if Big Mom and Kaido are even human, and claim their attacks are not at all working. They've given up on fighting the two together, and their only hope is to find a way to separate them.

Basically right now this is the state of these two opposing groups seen directly through their perspective

 

[Rivaille]

At first :

-The Yonko are not serious. When Kaido will go in human form you will see.


Then :

-The Yonko are not serious.When Kaido will turn in his hybrid form you will see.



Now:

-The Yonko are not serious...be-because reasons.




The capacity of some people in this community to deny reality simply to not admit that their powerscalling is wrong is astounding

You guys never learn because you refuse to learn

But unfortunately for the people in the community who are enjoying the manga you never refuse to stop complaining

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Judging by the way Luffy was fighting, the fight is probably around 10 - 15 minutes at best. Still, the Supernova was calling the Yonko "Hell" which indicates that they will lose if they don't act quick so they have to separate one of them and defeat each Yonko individually. The fact that they last this long really emphasizes their strength and strong will.

 

[God Buggy]

There is a sentence that is particularly interesting here..."This is like hell". I think Hyori told something similar to Zoro when talking about the Smiles and then compared the situation to hell.

Chapter 1008 is already the second time where "hell" is mentioned.

Enma is known for cutting through even the bottom of hell itself...

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

The events you brought up give no timeframe confirmation. Infact this point in particular doesn't help in anything considering Marco has been fighting King and Queen since chapter 1000, the time when he sent Zoro to the roof

The rooftop battle started afterwards, with them fighting for some time, Luffy going G4, with them fighting for a long while, Luffy running out of the G4, before Oda showing what is happening inside the roof(including what's going on between Marco and King/Queen)

We know however that Luffy has a 10minute timelimit after using G4, and from what we've seen, Luffy is still fighting in base. We literally see Luffy in base(upper left panel) before being sent flying(middle panel) and still looking in base(bottom right panel) in a continuous panel sequence

Spoiler

There was no use of G4 at all

In the same panel we see him attempting to attack with his gomu gomu no attack, and sent relying once again in base

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So either, his haki didn't come back yet, or he is reserving G4 for later, but the latter doesn't make sense considering they've been aiming for dealing meaningful damage, and thus not going for his strongest mode when it could be helpful to perform the task doesn't make sense unless we're simply still within his 10min timeframe for him to recover his haki

Agreed.
Don’t think it makes sense for Oda to even off screen much serious fighting between the Supernova and the newly unleashed Hybrid Kaido unless there would’ve been a big beat down.

 

[Cinera]

Basically a powered down versions of the Yonko thought the SN's were not even worth playing with, and they're better off swatted away quickly. However, SN's did well enough to prove that they can provide some entertainment to the Yonko

Aka "This is getting fun", which signals a change in their approach.

No, it just signals that they are powering up which they did. The Yonkou still intended to kill the SN, but they were doing it while holding back their real strength. They began to enjoy themselves while the battle continued and so are using their real strength. They didn't suddenly stop trying to kill the SN.