General & Others The Whitebeard pirates never knew Wano was Kaido’s territory for 20 years
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The same reason that Ace still sailed out to see to find a place he belonged with people that loved him despite knowing that Luffy loved him and wanted him alive?
Except we know that Whitebeard wasn’t that type of guy. Everyone else may have tried to kill each other, but Whitebeard would never have, and that’s doesn’t mean he couldn’t have felt that way about them.
Why do I need to pull the manga panels for it? It was literally the entire scene. He was only shown around Tama, not going into the other areas of Wano. The burden is on you to show he wasn’t, and that he saw Udon and the Flower Capital, etc. Her shitty village does not mean, to Ace’s knowledge, that all of Wano was like that to that extent. In the same way that the Grey Terminal’s existence does not mean that Foosha Village is in disrepair.
Except we know that Whitebeard wasn’t that type of guy. Everyone else may have tried to kill each other, but Whitebeard would never have, and that’s doesn’t mean he couldn’t have felt that way about them.
Why do I need to pull the manga panels for it? It was literally the entire scene. He was only shown around Tama, not going into the other areas of Wano. The burden is on you to show he wasn’t, and that he saw Udon and the Flower Capital, etc. Her shitty village does not mean, to Ace’s knowledge, that all of Wano was like that to that extent. In the same way that the Grey Terminal’s existence does not mean that Foosha Village is in disrepair.
No shit Sherlock, that is exactly the point.
Whitebeard knew that Oden was the heir to the throne.
He also knew that Oden detested Wano’s policy of isolationism.
So it is damn strange that Whitebeard would not find it concerning that his sworn brother in arms and heir to the Shogunate, who hated isolationism and ranted about opening the borders every five minutes, would continue the policy he so openly hated.
It is the duty of someone who claims to be a friend and a brother, ideals that Whitebeard’s character should hold above all others.
Oden did not follow either Roger or Whitebeard as a subordinate. He joined as an equal. Whitebeard outright called him his “brother”, an honour no other WBP was ever bestowed because it shows a spirit of equals. Meanwhile, Roger literally begged Oden to join his crew for his skills, in return Oden got his fill of adventure.
As for Kaido, suggesting that pure blackmail denotes a willingness to comply is an absolute reach. Never mind the fact that once it fell through, Oden nearly outright killed Kaido.
It should be obvious to Whitebeard that Oden would never willingly serve Kaido in any capacity.
These are all irrelevant straw man arguments.
It does not matter whether those villagers mention Oden or not. Fact is, Ace has been to Wano in the last five years. He directly knows how shit the situation is yet apparently the WBPs do not know a thing.
For this to happen would involve a long sequence of unbelievably contrived circumstances in which everyone involved, from the villagers to Ace and the Spade Pirates to Whitebeard to Izo to the rest of the Whitebeard Pirates acting like dementia riddled gargoyles that fail to act like realistic human beings.
Literally all the pieces of the puzzle are there for the Whitebeard Pirates to realise that something is gravely wrong but they have somehow added 2+2 and got -1.
Remember how Whitebeard directly intervened on behalf of his drinking buddy Neptune (who was never part of his crew) regarding Fishman Island?
Remember how Whitebeard was so bothered by his sworn brother leaving to join that “rival” (that Whitebeard was on good terms with anyway) that the first thing he did was to make sure he had supplies so that he would be ok?
“See you soon”, aye Marco? 
Again, Whitebeard knows Oden would never serve anyone willingly.
Regardless of whether Oden changes his mind or not, it is still strange that Whitebeard never considered it suspicious since he personally knew Oden, it is still strange that Whitebeard would visit a drinking buddy (Neptune) and a rival (Roger) but not visit his sworn brother in two decades (Whitebeard was literally dying of old age he took that long) despite the fact that Whitebeard prizes family so highly and it is still strange that the WBPs never figured out that anything was wrong despite an avalanche of clues that they should have noticed simply by talking to each other.
Whitebeard knew that Oden was the heir to the throne.
So it is damn strange that Whitebeard would not find it concerning that his sworn brother in arms and heir to the Shogunate, who hated isolationism and ranted about opening the borders every five minutes, would continue the policy he so openly hated.
It is the duty of someone who claims to be a friend and a brother, ideals that Whitebeard’s character should hold above all others.
Oden did not follow either Roger or Whitebeard as a subordinate. He joined as an equal. Whitebeard outright called him his “brother”, an honour no other WBP was ever bestowed because it shows a spirit of equals. Meanwhile, Roger literally begged Oden to join his crew for his skills, in return Oden got his fill of adventure.
As for Kaido, suggesting that pure blackmail denotes a willingness to comply is an absolute reach. Never mind the fact that once it fell through, Oden nearly outright killed Kaido.
It should be obvious to Whitebeard that Oden would never willingly serve Kaido in any capacity.
These are all irrelevant straw man arguments.
It does not matter whether those villagers mention Oden or not. Fact is, Ace has been to Wano in the last five years. He directly knows how shit the situation is yet apparently the WBPs do not know a thing.
For this to happen would involve a long sequence of unbelievably contrived circumstances in which everyone involved, from the villagers to Ace and the Spade Pirates to Whitebeard to Izo to the rest of the Whitebeard Pirates acting like dementia riddled gargoyles that fail to act like realistic human beings.
Literally all the pieces of the puzzle are there for the Whitebeard Pirates to realise that something is gravely wrong but they have somehow added 2+2 and got -1.
Remember how Whitebeard directly intervened on behalf of his drinking buddy Neptune (who was never part of his crew) regarding Fishman Island?
Again, Whitebeard knows Oden would never serve anyone willingly.
Regardless of whether Oden changes his mind or not, it is still strange that Whitebeard never considered it suspicious since he personally knew Oden, it is still strange that Whitebeard would visit a drinking buddy (Neptune) and a rival (Roger) but not visit his sworn brother in two decades (Whitebeard was literally dying of old age he took that long) despite the fact that Whitebeard prizes family so highly and it is still strange that the WBPs never figured out that anything was wrong despite an avalanche of clues that they should have noticed simply by talking to each other.
Ace was searching for tha meaning to his life. Sounds good, except there is nothing regarding tha Rox flashback to support that train of thought bout Beard. Sengoku(someone who was around during those times) said that they tried to kill each other. He ain’t separate no one out
Lmfao!!! Why do you need to support your arguments? That’s really what you jus asked me? So what happens in tha scene is tha only thing that happens....
So Ace sees how shity it is in her village, promises to come back with. A bigger crew to make WANO better again, not jus her village. But WANO. But he doesn’t know how shitty tha whole place is, LMAO
Lmfao!!! Why do you need to support your arguments? That’s really what you jus asked me? So what happens in tha scene is tha only thing that happens....
So Ace sees how shity it is in her village, promises to come back with. A bigger crew to make WANO better again, not jus her village. But WANO. But he doesn’t know how shitty tha whole place is, LMAO
No shit Sherlock, that is exactly the point.
Whitebeard knew that Oden was the heir to the throne.
He also knew that Oden detested Wano’s policy of isolationism.
So it is damn strange that Whitebeard would not find it concerning that his sworn brother in arms and heir to the Shogunate, who hated isolationism and ranted about opening the borders every five minutes, would continue the policy he so openly hated.
It is the duty of someone who claims to be a friend and a brother, ideals that Whitebeard’s character should hold above all others.
Oden did not follow either Roger or Whitebeard as a subordinate. He joined as an equal. Whitebeard outright called him his “brother”, an honour no other WBP was ever bestowed because it shows a spirit of equals. Meanwhile, Roger literally begged Oden to join his crew for his skills, in return Oden got his fill of adventure.
As for Kaido, suggesting that pure blackmail denotes a willingness to comply is an absolute reach. Never mind the fact that once it fell through, Oden nearly outright killed Kaido.
It should be obvious to Whitebeard that Oden would never willingly serve Kaido in any capacity.
These are all irrelevant straw man arguments.
It does not matter whether those villagers mention Oden or not. Fact is, Ace has been to Wano in the last five years. He directly knows how shit the situation is yet apparently the WBPs do not know a thing.
For this to happen would involve a long sequence of unbelievably contrived circumstances in which everyone involved, from the villagers to Ace and the Spade Pirates to Whitebeard to Izo to the rest of the Whitebeard Pirates acting like dementia riddled gargoyles that fail to act like realistic human beings.
Literally all the pieces of the puzzle are there for the Whitebeard Pirates to realise that something is gravely wrong but they have somehow added 2+2 and got -1.
Remember how Whitebeard directly intervened on behalf of his drinking buddy Neptune (who was never part of his crew) regarding Fishman Island?
Remember how Whitebeard was so bothered by his sworn brother leaving to join that “rival” (that Whitebeard was on good terms with anyway) that the first thing he did was to make sure he had supplies so that he would be ok?
“See you soon”, aye Marco?
Again, Whitebeard knows Oden would never serve anyone willingly.
Regardless of whether Oden changes his mind or not, it is still strange that Whitebeard never considered it suspicious since he personally knew Oden, it is still strange that Whitebeard would visit a drinking buddy (Neptune) and a rival (Roger) but not visit his sworn brother in two decades (Whitebeard was literally dying of old age he took that long) despite the fact that Whitebeard prizes family so highly and it is still strange that the WBPs never figured out that anything was wrong despite an avalanche of clues that they should have noticed simply by talking to each other.
Whitebeard knew that Oden was the heir to the throne.
So it is damn strange that Whitebeard would not find it concerning that his sworn brother in arms and heir to the Shogunate, who hated isolationism and ranted about opening the borders every five minutes, would continue the policy he so openly hated.
It is the duty of someone who claims to be a friend and a brother, ideals that Whitebeard’s character should hold above all others.
Oden did not follow either Roger or Whitebeard as a subordinate. He joined as an equal. Whitebeard outright called him his “brother”, an honour no other WBP was ever bestowed because it shows a spirit of equals. Meanwhile, Roger literally begged Oden to join his crew for his skills, in return Oden got his fill of adventure.
As for Kaido, suggesting that pure blackmail denotes a willingness to comply is an absolute reach. Never mind the fact that once it fell through, Oden nearly outright killed Kaido.
It should be obvious to Whitebeard that Oden would never willingly serve Kaido in any capacity.
These are all irrelevant straw man arguments.
It does not matter whether those villagers mention Oden or not. Fact is, Ace has been to Wano in the last five years. He directly knows how shit the situation is yet apparently the WBPs do not know a thing.
For this to happen would involve a long sequence of unbelievably contrived circumstances in which everyone involved, from the villagers to Ace and the Spade Pirates to Whitebeard to Izo to the rest of the Whitebeard Pirates acting like dementia riddled gargoyles that fail to act like realistic human beings.
Literally all the pieces of the puzzle are there for the Whitebeard Pirates to realise that something is gravely wrong but they have somehow added 2+2 and got -1.
Remember how Whitebeard directly intervened on behalf of his drinking buddy Neptune (who was never part of his crew) regarding Fishman Island?
Again, Whitebeard knows Oden would never serve anyone willingly.
Regardless of whether Oden changes his mind or not, it is still strange that Whitebeard never considered it suspicious since he personally knew Oden, it is still strange that Whitebeard would visit a drinking buddy (Neptune) and a rival (Roger) but not visit his sworn brother in two decades (Whitebeard was literally dying of old age he took that long) despite the fact that Whitebeard prizes family so highly and it is still strange that the WBPs never figured out that anything was wrong despite an avalanche of clues that they should have noticed simply by talking to each other.
It was stupid move from Oda (im not expert or par with Oda but we all can agree this is Plot hole)
Realistic scenarios which Oda could do is:
1.Make Whitebeard come to Wano where WB is on Bottom of waterfall and cant go up which would cause fall of moby dick and end of WBP (many DFs fall to waterfall) and WB cares about his "sons"
2.Make Wano People hostage (kidnapped People in Wano will get executed if WB go to Wano or keep Oden where Oden will be like:PLS WB DONT COME HERE AGAIN IF YOU ARE MY BROTHER DONT CAUSE SOMETHING WHICH I WOULD REGRET maybe add like i gonna fix this and i gonna send message to you when im finished
3.make Oden pretends that he turned and Wana see Wano closed so WB belive or pretends that Oden allied himself to Kaido and are good pals but WB will be suspicious so Oden send "Lethal" attack on WB (in meanwhile his family is captured and his scabbards with rest of Wano in case Oden try attack Kaido)
These scenarios could Work better than "" Whitebeard be deaf about Wano""
Realistic scenarios which Oda could do is:
1.Make Whitebeard come to Wano where WB is on Bottom of waterfall and cant go up which would cause fall of moby dick and end of WBP (many DFs fall to waterfall) and WB cares about his "sons"
2.Make Wano People hostage (kidnapped People in Wano will get executed if WB go to Wano or keep Oden where Oden will be like:PLS WB DONT COME HERE AGAIN IF YOU ARE MY BROTHER DONT CAUSE SOMETHING WHICH I WOULD REGRET maybe add like i gonna fix this and i gonna send message to you when im finished
3.make Oden pretends that he turned and Wana see Wano closed so WB belive or pretends that Oden allied himself to Kaido and are good pals but WB will be suspicious so Oden send "Lethal" attack on WB (in meanwhile his family is captured and his scabbards with rest of Wano in case Oden try attack Kaido)
These scenarios could Work better than "" Whitebeard be deaf about Wano""
Sorry but nope, all of them would be bad. Because i all 3 scenarios wb is either too weak or stupid. Which doesn't fit his character at all.
The best scenario oda could have choosen was the one where oden said don't do anything for 20 years, no matter what happens.
Or, even better would be, if oda completely left the reason out, why wb never went to wano.
And yet if i rembemberer corrwctly Oden with Roger at end of journey knew fact with 20 years
And yet one more thing why Whitebeard didn't go to Wano to see his brother?
In story KAIDO DID TAKE Wano and if there wasn't plot hole WB should know
At scenario 1. We already had freaking King stop Yonko Big Mom with her Heavy hitters and Marco stop BMP, and yet Nobody complains about that, why? Because of precise moment King took advantage,
2 or 3 could Work where Kaido already mention about WB, Roger and Oden have weak heart about People
And yet one more thing why Whitebeard didn't go to Wano to see his brother?
In story KAIDO DID TAKE Wano and if there wasn't plot hole WB should know
At scenario 1. We already had freaking King stop Yonko Big Mom with her Heavy hitters and Marco stop BMP, and yet Nobody complains about that, why? Because of precise moment King took advantage,
2 or 3 could Work where Kaido already mention about WB, Roger and Oden have weak heart about People
PK level dudes... Can't even check and avenge his brother against Young Kaido
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