Bougya What if : every fake dead characters were really killed ? What would change in the story and plot ?

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#22
It will shortened the length of the story which is beneficial for Oda himself and for the quality of the show
If Bellamy died we won't have such stalling plot of Luffy vs Bellamy (under Doffy control) etc etc. Nobody really cares if Bellamy dies. It just a waste of panels bringing him back.

Without Sabo existence, Dragon needs to carry most of RA plot and need to show some physical action earlier. So Oda trying to save Dragon only for the very end of series could be the reason Sabo exist and doing most RA plot on behalf of Dragon who will only show up at EOS. In order to do that he also made Sabo very important character that has close relation with Luffy and Ace so that Dragon isn't the only main attraction among RA for readers

Basically aside from Sabo, all other characters are minor characters that their death could be more beneficial for the story and it won't change or impact the story positively if they survive.
Oda introduced 100+ named characters and only kills at best 5 or 6 ( most of them being flashback characters)
It just lengthen the story when most of them keep coming back...
I think if Pekoms had died too (as he should have been) PDA would have need someone to save the crew / to stall when Luffy vs Kata ended to stall the Cacao island BBP squad

so either he will make the Germa come sooner

or and it could have been fun : make half dead Pedro in sulong form come to stall and wreck havoc and really die this time
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If Pedro was allive One Piece would be better. :handsup:
Pedro was dope

one of the best post skip side character with Cavendish
 
#23
Pekoms' last scene was so brutal, with the BMPs seemingly gouging his eyes out. I loved that little turtle-lion character, and him dying in such a raw and unexpected way would have been perfect toward BM's and her crew's portrayal.
 
#24
What if Oda grew a pair and let his characters being killed instead of resurrecting them in the most bullshit ways ? What would have changed in the plot and in the story ?

here the list of the fake deaths (obviously not counting SH and main cast) it’s only for secondary characters

- Pell killed by atoms

- Bellamy killed by Doffy

- Ingaram killed by Robin

- Bon clay killed by Magellan

- Sabo killed by CD

- Saul killed by Aokiji

- Pekoms killed by Bege in WCI

- Pound killed by Oven

etc

let’s go

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- Pell nothing changes
- Bellamy slight change in Dressrosa but nothing big
- Robin wouldn’t be a straw hat
- Nothing Changes
- Big change in the story, Sabos death would alter too much
- Nothing changes so far
- Straw Hats would have zero way to get to WCI
- Nothing Changes

The deaths whether they’re real or not don’t change much of the narrative, but they give characters happy endings which is why Oda opts to make them survive.
 
#25
Sabo’s fakeout is the only one that will have an impact. But I think Oda will just create a new right-hand for Dragon, the DR events will be most affected. Other shit that Sabo has done will just be transferred to the new right-hand.

Oda wants a Disney ending and tbh I don’t mind seeing characters I‘m attached to get such happy endings. That can still very satisfying for the majority of readers but some of these fakeouts are objectively bad from a writing perspective.
 
#27
It will shortened the length of the story which is beneficial for Oda himself and for the quality of the show
If Bellamy died we won't have such stalling plot of Luffy vs Bellamy (under Doffy control) etc etc. Nobody really cares if Bellamy dies. It just a waste of panels bringing him back.

Without Sabo existence, Dragon needs to carry most of RA plot and need to show some physical action earlier. So Oda trying to save Dragon only for the very end of series could be the reason Sabo exist and doing most RA plot on behalf of Dragon who will only show up at EOS. In order to do that he also made Sabo very important character that has close relation with Luffy and Ace so that Dragon isn't the only main attraction among RA for readers

Basically aside from Sabo, all other characters are minor characters that their death could be more beneficial for the story and it won't change or impact the story positively if they survive.
Oda introduced 100+ named characters and only kills at best 5 or 6 ( most of them being flashback characters)
It just lengthen the story when most of them keep coming back...
Sabo’s fakeout is the only one that will have an impact. But I think Oda will just create a new right-hand for Dragon, the DR events will be most affected. Other shit that Sabo has done will just be transferred to the new right-hand.

Oda wants a Disney ending and tbh I don’t mind seeing characters I‘m attached to get such happy endings. That can still very satisfying for the majority of readers but some of these fakeouts are objectively bad from a writing perspective.
Oda wrote Sabo because Ace was popular, i wish he'd focused on Dragon instead if turning him.into a desk man constantly saying "..." and looking serious .


And the next nakama
 
#34
Just a quick question for those who hate the fake-out deaths: You must hate all the resurrections in Naruto and Dragon Ball then, too, yes? Because the concept of anyone dying has lost all meaning in especially the latter.
 
#35
Man I just like kuina and want to see a strong female swordsman
:sanmoji:
Also sabo and Saul’s fake out deaths don’t change how those “deaths” effected and molded Luffy or Robin
You absolutely know it's not the same, just like I know this isn't about wantint to see a strong female swordsman. You could be wishing for one to appear without wishing for her to be Kuina.

Luffy's and Robin's dreams aren't about a promise they made a deceased friend, that's a false equivalence.

Everything about Zoro's determination stems about Kuina being dead. His promise wasn't even about him becoming WSS, but about one of the two. Zoro knew Kuina was stronger than him back in the day and would have ultimately been fine with her growing to be the WSS. It's because she can't anymore that Zoro is proxy-carrying her dream through their promise.

Yes, Zoro has already been effected and molded, but he would still be cheapened as a character if it was suddenly all a lie. He could still save this angle by finally beating Kuina and carrying on, but the whole scenario would lose a ton of weight.

There's also a different angle: How far Zoro's gone for the memory of a friend... a friend that would have faked her death for absolutely no reason, and that for some reason didn't even trust him enough to let him know she was alive while Zoro was literally living for her in his own way.



Is there a satisfying way to write the plot out of that one without cheapening Zoro's character?
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Just a quick question for those who hate the fake-out deaths: You must hate all the resurrections in Naruto and Dragon Ball then, too, yes? Because the concept of anyone dying has lost all meaning in especially the latter.
On the original run, yes. The solution to that for me was not taking DB's plot and death seriously.

I still try to take OP seriously (to a point).
 
#36
You absolutely know it's not the same, just like I know this isn't about wantint to see a strong female swordsman. You could be wishing for one to appear without wishing for her to be Kuina.

Luffy's and Robin's dreams aren't about a promise they made a deceased friend, that's a false equivalence.

Everything about Zoro's determination stems about Kuina being dead. His promise wasn't even about him becoming WSS, but about one of the two. Zoro knew Kuina was stronger than him back in the day and would have ultimately been fine with her growing to be the WSS. It's because she can't anymore that Zoro is proxy-carrying her dream through their promise.

Yes, Zoro has already been effected and molded, but he would still be cheapened as a character if it was suddenly all a lie. He could still save this angle by finally beating Kuina and carrying on, but the whole scenario would lose a ton of weight.

There's also a different angle: How far Zoro's gone for the memory of a friend... a friend that would have faked her death for absolutely no reason, and that for some reason didn't even trust him enough to let him know she was alive while Zoro was literally living for her in his own way.



Is there a satisfying way to write the plot out of that one without cheapening Zoro's character?
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On the original run, yes. The solution to that for me was not taking DB's plot and death seriously.

I still try to take OP seriously (to a point).
I got to say, everyone in Naruto being resurrected after the World War *but* Neiji was funny. Literally thousands brought back, but...not him. For, uh...."reasons".
 
#37
- Pell killed by atoms
When I watched in I kinda felt happy that he survived...Ofcourse It was early in series and he won't come back to story anyway.
Him suiciding gave the feels but also I wanted him to survive. It was early and first such thing so I was okay with it.

- Bellamy killed by Doffy
Why was he not killed after Jaya itself....who even thought it was a good idea to get this guy back...:whitepress:

- Ingaram killed by Robin
Okay I guess...since it would play with Robin being a good person.
:goyea:
- Bon clay killed by Magellan
Worst...Ofcourse I expected atleast him being in a miserable condition in jail...but brah is free and leading 5.5....wtf :whitepress::beckmoji:

- Sabo killed by CD
Doesn't matter much, but oda did not really make much use of him being alive. he is just a number..

- Saul killed by Aokiji
Should have stayed dead...very forced entry back to story even though its not at all needed :beckmoji:

- Pekoms killed by Bege in WCI
Brah can't even remember this KEKW...:suresure:

- Pound killed by Oven
Should have died...wasted all his character. Imagine BM died but not this shit.....Her death was so bad his death was supposed to be so good....give it to oda to choose the worst decision he can :whitepress:


Though in the end majority of things(evven major ones) done in one piece so far turned out to be not at all important... I still can't think of anything which was absolutely necessary..and doing otherwise will mess up super badly..
 
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#40
You absolutely know it's not the same, just like I know this isn't about wantint to see a strong female swordsman. You could be wishing for one to appear without wishing for her to be Kuina.

Luffy's and Robin's dreams aren't about a promise they made a deceased friend, that's a false equivalence.

Everything about Zoro's determination stems about Kuina being dead. His promise wasn't even about him becoming WSS, but about one of the two. Zoro knew Kuina was stronger than him back in the day and would have ultimately been fine with her growing to be the WSS. It's because she can't anymore that Zoro is proxy-carrying her dream through their promise.

Yes, Zoro has already been effected and molded, but he would still be cheapened as a character if it was suddenly all a lie. He could still save this angle by finally beating Kuina and carrying on, but the whole scenario would lose a ton of weight.

There's also a different angle: How far Zoro's gone for the memory of a friend... a friend that would have faked her death for absolutely no reason, and that for some reason didn't even trust him enough to let him know she was alive while Zoro was literally living for her in his own way.



Is there a satisfying way to write the plot out of that one without cheapening Zoro's character?
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On the original run, yes. The solution to that for me was not taking DB's plot and death seriously.

I still try to take OP seriously (to a point).
Man I just like kuina

Her being alive doesn’t change their promise because zoro didn’t make that promise just because she died. The promise happened when she was alive and made it again to luffy
I just like kuina and what she represents

People thought and still think sabo and Saul being alive is dumb but here we are

Also zoro is the only character in the story besides kuina to strive to become wss. Zoro the only guy going for it was trained by the wss himself. Oda has gone out of his way to differentiate characters that use swords when fighting and actual swordsmen
If you want to complain about kuina potentially being alive diminishes zoro’s dream you gotta realize that oda’s already done worse
 
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