Current Events What Would it Take to Convince You That Kaido is Zoro's Main Fight This Arc?
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Yeah, but apart from wanting this to happen, is there good reason to think it will happen. I'm not trying to understand why you don't want Zoro to face Kaido as his main opponent, I'm trying to understand why you don't think he will.
My God, the build up for Zoro battle with Kaido is very extensive. Neither Zoro or King even acknowledged the other's existence, and they were on the same floor for 10 chapters. Zoro has much more buildup with Queen.
Eh, Zoro is as strong as Oda wants him to be (see Zoro's attack terrifying the Yonkou last chapter).
COC has yet to be useful against high tiers. It didn't help Luffy vs Cracker.
Zoro low/mid diffs Queen lol. He can't tank any of Zoro's higher end techniques. Shi ShiShi Sonson oneshots.
There's been no setup for that fight in story though.
Why can't Kaido be both their main fights?
Luffy is already fighting Kaido in a group battle.
I mean the people supporting Sanji vs King never supported Zoro vs King.
My God, the build up for Zoro battle with Kaido is very extensive. Neither Zoro or King even acknowledged the other's existence, and they were on the same floor for 10 chapters. Zoro has much more buildup with Queen.
Eh, Zoro is as strong as Oda wants him to be (see Zoro's attack terrifying the Yonkou last chapter).
COC has yet to be useful against high tiers. It didn't help Luffy vs Cracker.
Zoro low/mid diffs Queen lol. He can't tank any of Zoro's higher end techniques. Shi ShiShi Sonson oneshots.
There's been no setup for that fight in story though.
Why can't Kaido be both their main fights?
Luffy is already fighting Kaido in a group battle.
I mean the people supporting Sanji vs King never supported Zoro vs King.
It is more likely that the effect comes from the technique more than haki, though, since it's the same technique he used against Ryuma and the visual effect looks more like the fire it caused than armament. The other option is that Oda is refining the aesthetics of the "smoke" that came out of Zoro's arm when he first held Enma, since if I recall correctly it was greyish in some panels, so it could be "Enma working" maybe?
Post two panels side by side and you will see the difference.
Last chapter were clearly Haki tendrils same as Roger
No its Haki, Haki even shot out of Zoros blade cutting horn because it wasn't a flying slash
But its not bro.
Wait gimme one second, it is interesting but why aren't you open to the idea of Zoro having same Haki as Gol D Roger?
Last chapter were clearly Haki tendrils same as Roger
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No its Haki, Haki even shot out of Zoros blade cutting horn because it wasn't a flying slash
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But its not bro.
Wait gimme one second, it is interesting but why aren't you open to the idea of Zoro having same Haki as Gol D Roger?
I think terrifying is a bit of an exaggeration, BM had more sweat and shock on her face from red roc making Kaido bleed than when she warned Kaido this chapter, after seeing the damage the attack caused Kaido and Big Mom weren't afraid but moreso appraising the situation as one they'd have to take seriously.
It was required in his fights with Doffy and Katakuri when they initiated the use in clashes. Cracker had a stall fruit, he wasn't clashing much with Luffy in fair confrontations, both were using sneaky tactics in the fight.
Zoro's general 1 sword strength isn't the same as this highly charged Enma attack that left him huffing and was slow enough to easily dodge. Queen is not getting one shot by shishi sonson, he is getting "one shot" by whatever new finisher Oda decides for Oda to use after a mid length battle. All One Piece fights end with finishers by their very nature.
Zoro may be nerfed from this rooftop fight and have an easier time with Queen than Sanji has with King, just like a nerfed Sanji had an easier time with Jyabura than Zoro did with Kaku, or how a nerfed Zoro had an easier time with Hacchi than Sanji had with Kuroobi, or how a situationally nerfed Sanji had an easier time with Mr 2 than Zoro had with Mr 1.
It was required in his fights with Doffy and Katakuri when they initiated the use in clashes. Cracker had a stall fruit, he wasn't clashing much with Luffy in fair confrontations, both were using sneaky tactics in the fight.
Zoro's general 1 sword strength isn't the same as this highly charged Enma attack that left him huffing and was slow enough to easily dodge. Queen is not getting one shot by shishi sonson, he is getting "one shot" by whatever new finisher Oda decides for Oda to use after a mid length battle. All One Piece fights end with finishers by their very nature.
Zoro may be nerfed from this rooftop fight and have an easier time with Queen than Sanji has with King, just like a nerfed Sanji had an easier time with Jyabura than Zoro did with Kaku, or how a nerfed Zoro had an easier time with Hacchi than Sanji had with Kuroobi, or how a situationally nerfed Sanji had an easier time with Mr 2 than Zoro had with Mr 1.
this is just round 1 and they will lose it, the whole Raid will fail imo and I have many reasons to believe that will happen
Zoro character arc still didn't even start imo people ignore this but Oda won't make Zoro shine through feats alone, his feats will carry meanings and symbolism related to his character, his past and his goal will be fleshed out more , but at first he will struggle and fail then overcome
also am confident Zoro won't start fucking shit up and defeating his arc opponent before getting the nidai
Zoro character arc still didn't even start imo people ignore this but Oda won't make Zoro shine through feats alone, his feats will carry meanings and symbolism related to his character, his past and his goal will be fleshed out more , but at first he will struggle and fail then overcome
also am confident Zoro won't start fucking shit up and defeating his arc opponent before getting the nidai
If I may be so shameless as to toot my own horn, I wrote a comprehensive analysis of the aura that built up around Hiryuu Kaen.
Nah, Zoro can imbue his haki into any technique. All Zoro's techniques are much stronger now. He just has to overflow his haki into them.
Same, but I expect the Nidai to show up in Zoro's final confrontation with Hybrid!Kaido.
Nah, Zoro can imbue his haki into any technique. All Zoro's techniques are much stronger now. He just has to overflow his haki into them.
Same, but I expect the Nidai to show up in Zoro's final confrontation with Hybrid!Kaido.
I'm not trying to deny the buildup to Zoro cutting Kaido or his parallels to Oden, at this point anyone who isn't a blind hater or troll would expect all that buildup to culminate in Zoro performing a big feat against Kaido at some point, it is undeniable.
But ultimately, Kaido is the main antagonist of the arc, of the whole saga we've been building up to since Punk Hazard, the main emotional conflict and barrier to overcome, with many characters wanting his head or revenge on him. His defeat would symbolise the liberation of Wano, the release from all the pain it's citizens have gone through. If Kaido is in fact defeated here, then Luffy is the one who should defeat him, it is his role in the story. The scabbards, Yamato, Otama and Wano in general have put his hopes on him, and him and Kaido simply have had way more buildup to their fight.
So if i personally believe there's no way Zoro is the one to defeat/kill Kaido, then the next best thing is for him to play a part on his downfall, which i think everyone here agrees WILL happen. The whole point of this topic is to convince people that Kaido will be his "main" fight, and if that means damaging him but ultimately not defeating him, then sure, that could be his "main" fight.
But why can't he can do that, and then also have a duel with King simply for the sake of getting a 1v1 fight this arc? I don't think there needs to be any buildup. If a strong opponent stands in the way of the straw hats and Luffy is too busy to handle it, then Zoro will step up to the plate. Mr.1, Ohm, Kaku and such didn't have any real buildup or particular conflict with Zoro and only revealed some sort of ability that Zoro would need to challenge himself to overcome during the fight itself. Assuming that Zoro is already too strong for King is just feeding into our nebulous idea of the power levels of the series, if Oda has an interesting scenario for the fight then it can happen.
Again it all depends on how the climax is actually handled. Is this the actual final battle?; Can Marco and the others down there handle/defeat the calamities?; Will Big Mom be defeated this arc or betray Kaido?
If the location of the final battle were to shift up to somewhere like Kozuki castle and King acted as a sort of final guard leading to Kaido, then Zoro would fight him, it is as simple as that.
But ultimately, Kaido is the main antagonist of the arc, of the whole saga we've been building up to since Punk Hazard, the main emotional conflict and barrier to overcome, with many characters wanting his head or revenge on him. His defeat would symbolise the liberation of Wano, the release from all the pain it's citizens have gone through. If Kaido is in fact defeated here, then Luffy is the one who should defeat him, it is his role in the story. The scabbards, Yamato, Otama and Wano in general have put his hopes on him, and him and Kaido simply have had way more buildup to their fight.
So if i personally believe there's no way Zoro is the one to defeat/kill Kaido, then the next best thing is for him to play a part on his downfall, which i think everyone here agrees WILL happen. The whole point of this topic is to convince people that Kaido will be his "main" fight, and if that means damaging him but ultimately not defeating him, then sure, that could be his "main" fight.
But why can't he can do that, and then also have a duel with King simply for the sake of getting a 1v1 fight this arc? I don't think there needs to be any buildup. If a strong opponent stands in the way of the straw hats and Luffy is too busy to handle it, then Zoro will step up to the plate. Mr.1, Ohm, Kaku and such didn't have any real buildup or particular conflict with Zoro and only revealed some sort of ability that Zoro would need to challenge himself to overcome during the fight itself. Assuming that Zoro is already too strong for King is just feeding into our nebulous idea of the power levels of the series, if Oda has an interesting scenario for the fight then it can happen.
Again it all depends on how the climax is actually handled. Is this the actual final battle?; Can Marco and the others down there handle/defeat the calamities?; Will Big Mom be defeated this arc or betray Kaido?
If the location of the final battle were to shift up to somewhere like Kozuki castle and King acted as a sort of final guard leading to Kaido, then Zoro would fight him, it is as simple as that.
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I like your analysis though I disagree that it's a a black flame like amaterasu or it'd have been the usual dark black color that Oda likes to put on Armament Haki.
What it appears to me it that the aura around Enma is a flame of a dark color possibly dark blue a darker virsion of the flames in TB.
Who knows though we'll wait to see the anime for confirmation.
What it appears to me it that the aura around Enma is a flame of a dark color possibly dark blue a darker virsion of the flames in TB.
Who knows though we'll wait to see the anime for confirmation.
The anime has taken a lot of artistic liberties with how they depict haki, so I'm not so gung ho on them. At the very least, they might show if fire was involved, but they draw regular hardening as overflowing haki and gave fodders who haven't even shown hardening overflowing haki. I'd rather wait for the coloured comics (it'll probably reach 1002 in 2023).
What a waste Enma would be if Zoro will fight a mere underling of the one schooled by the OG user of that sword?
The one who caused the fall of the remains of the nation's hero, the last user of the hero's sword will fight a mere underling of the main opponent?
People has to accept Kaido would be Zoro's main opponent...
The one who caused the fall of the remains of the nation's hero, the last user of the hero's sword will fight a mere underling of the main opponent?
People has to accept Kaido would be Zoro's main opponent...