Future Events When does Zoro Fight Mihawk
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Really there is an easy solution to all of this if people can consider Shanks and his crew being the final antagonists and Mihawk allying with them. After Blackbeard. After Akainu. After Im. After the Final War or at the end of it. Maybe in God Valley. Not as some friendly fight that people keep assuming will happen.
Shanks has a huge unknown motivation factor behind him. We don't know what it is, but we know it's tied to the endgame. We know he talks to Gorosei. We know he has some hidden backstory with Roger due to Oden's flashback. I think people are really overlooking this idea out of spite because they don't want to believe he can be Luffy's last fight.
Luffy has a second dream. Zoro doesn't. It can happen after the final war, depending on what group is fought then.
Shanks has a huge unknown motivation factor behind him. We don't know what it is, but we know it's tied to the endgame. We know he talks to Gorosei. We know he has some hidden backstory with Roger due to Oden's flashback. I think people are really overlooking this idea out of spite because they don't want to believe he can be Luffy's last fight.
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Luffy has a second dream. Zoro doesn't. It can happen after the final war, depending on what group is fought then.
Everyone has different opinions on that. Half this forum believes is Im and the WG because of Whitebeard specifically telling Blackbeard he WON'T be the person to find One Peice and fight them.
And we frankly know nothing about Shanks to suggest he can't be either. He's a far deeper character to Luffy than Blackbeard is. We don't know his motivations to say he can't be manipulating the WG or not. We can't say what his intended goals actually are. All we know is it's not about One Piece because he's never actually made mention of even trying to go for it. All he's been doing is cryptically waiting for Luffy. We don't even know why outside of its probably not "good" since he casually talks with villains.
Do I think Blackbeard is an endgame antagonist? Of course. Do I think he's the last fight? I don't.
And we frankly know nothing about Shanks to suggest he can't be either. He's a far deeper character to Luffy than Blackbeard is. We don't know his motivations to say he can't be manipulating the WG or not. We can't say what his intended goals actually are. All we know is it's not about One Piece because he's never actually made mention of even trying to go for it. All he's been doing is cryptically waiting for Luffy. We don't even know why outside of its probably not "good" since he casually talks with villains.
Do I think Blackbeard is an endgame antagonist? Of course. Do I think he's the last fight? I don't.
also i don't whyvmany think that final war will be 1vs1 or x vs x etc
oda never called onigashima raid a war
onigashima was a raid more like enis lobby 2 .
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so if oda said final war will make mr looks cute
yoy can get how oda will deal with fights .
it will be a random shit
zoro a moment fighting ghandai then later kizaru then clahsung with GB etc
same with luffy sanji etc
the closer to final war fights we got here in wano is zoro luffy vs apoo
then apoo vs drake
then later zoro drake vs apoo
then apoo vs drake then drake vs yamato then drake apoo vs cp0 lol 😆
oda never called onigashima raid a war
onigashima was a raid more like enis lobby 2 .
....
so if oda said final war will make mr looks cute
yoy can get how oda will deal with fights .
it will be a random shit
zoro a moment fighting ghandai then later kizaru then clahsung with GB etc
same with luffy sanji etc
the closer to final war fights we got here in wano is zoro luffy vs apoo
then apoo vs drake
then later zoro drake vs apoo
then apoo vs drake then drake vs yamato then drake apoo vs cp0 lol 😆
Read my sig link of your want to know more about why I think that. Old post I have that explains why he might be.
Namely him meeting with Gorosei is extremely out of character. They are genocidal and Celestial Dragons. They still intend to kidnap Robin. And yet both Shanks and the Gorosei respect each other. Oda also callously doesn't mention the pirate Shanks is talking about, and conveniently he goes to see them after Luffy gets his new bounty. No other major event happens before this. Just food for thought.
Really there's a lot more than this, tying more into his very clear Yakuza references, his hidden past, and the way he carries himself. But check the sig link.
I will leave you with one thing: when Luffy asks Law which Yonko they are fighting first and he says Kaido, Luffy makes zero mention about Blackbeard, He talks about Shanks and beating him. Also, I left my avatar the way it is as a reminder that Shanks looks at Luffy's last bounty not with friendly intent. That look is purely competitive/malice. Zoro sometimes makes the same faces when he gets ready to fight. It's very clear to me that Oda is setting up a plot twist with Shanks.
Namely him meeting with Gorosei is extremely out of character. They are genocidal and Celestial Dragons. They still intend to kidnap Robin. And yet both Shanks and the Gorosei respect each other. Oda also callously doesn't mention the pirate Shanks is talking about, and conveniently he goes to see them after Luffy gets his new bounty. No other major event happens before this. Just food for thought.
Really there's a lot more than this, tying more into his very clear Yakuza references, his hidden past, and the way he carries himself. But check the sig link.
I will leave you with one thing: when Luffy asks Law which Yonko they are fighting first and he says Kaido, Luffy makes zero mention about Blackbeard, He talks about Shanks and beating him. Also, I left my avatar the way it is as a reminder that Shanks looks at Luffy's last bounty not with friendly intent. That look is purely competitive/malice. Zoro sometimes makes the same faces when he gets ready to fight. It's very clear to me that Oda is setting up a plot twist with Shanks.
I think SHP vs RHP doesnt have to be "friendly" imo, since it can also serve as Emperor Luffy vs Emperor Shanks kinda deal (becoming a great pirate allows Luffy to have access to "meet" (fight) Shanks), thus it can b some kind of race, or treasure/artifact hunt, even Davy Back Fight, with some important, LaughTaleLocation-related territory or artifact, or even the one lost Poneglyph (that Shanks actually know the location of) as the award.
While Mihawk can fight this contest not as a friendly one, but a decisive final fight between him and Zoro (master and disciple). One of the scenarios where it will be a serious fight, is that if Mihawk deem Shanks as a true successor to the PK throne instead of Luffy, making him definitely cant let Luffy's side snatch away the valuable LaughTale-related artifact/poneglyph.
While Mihawk can fight this contest not as a friendly one, but a decisive final fight between him and Zoro (master and disciple). One of the scenarios where it will be a serious fight, is that if Mihawk deem Shanks as a true successor to the PK throne instead of Luffy, making him definitely cant let Luffy's side snatch away the valuable LaughTale-related artifact/poneglyph.
I don't think they would have a serious one on one fight
Imo Zoro surpasses Mihawk by performing some kind of feat which even mihawk can't do like cutting a very big meteor which mihawk can't
Or like WG releasing a weapon having attacks threatening every one and mihawk tries to cut it but can't completely and zoro does showing he has become WSS
Or fighting a common enemy
They can have a friendly duel later that is a separate thing
Imo Zoro surpasses Mihawk by performing some kind of feat which even mihawk can't do like cutting a very big meteor which mihawk can't
Or like WG releasing a weapon having attacks threatening every one and mihawk tries to cut it but can't completely and zoro does showing he has become WSS
Or fighting a common enemy
They can have a friendly duel later that is a separate thing
It doesn't mean he's gonna get anything more than what Luffy's actual villains got
Shanks arc won't be big if he gets it, that's a fact
He also won't be overshadowing Luffy if they meet since the promise was about 'be Great Pirate like me"
Luffy as PK totally makes Shanks vs Luffy post Raftel or final war useless
Shanks arc won't be big if he gets it, that's a fact
He also won't be overshadowing Luffy if they meet since the promise was about 'be Great Pirate like me"
Luffy as PK totally makes Shanks vs Luffy post Raftel or final war useless
Why you guys prefer Zoro to get the WSS title in EoS, and then that's it.
Isn't it better if Zoro defeats Mihawk and get the title asap, then he defends the title in every single big arc? Shiryu and others won't kill Mihawk, they will target Zoro instead because Zoro is already the title holder.
Zoro being the reigning, defending, undisputed World Strongest Swordsman sounds a better story than him getting the title EoS and then that's it.
@Cinera @HA001 @nik87 @L55 .
Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Tony Tony Chopper and here is my big brother, the reigning, defending, undisputed NEW World Strongest Swordsman, Zoro!!
Still a better story for both Chopper and Zoro than they are right now, Chopper being useless mascot and Zoro getting WSS only in EoS.
Isn't it better if Zoro defeats Mihawk and get the title asap, then he defends the title in every single big arc? Shiryu and others won't kill Mihawk, they will target Zoro instead because Zoro is already the title holder.
Zoro being the reigning, defending, undisputed World Strongest Swordsman sounds a better story than him getting the title EoS and then that's it.
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Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Tony Tony Chopper and here is my big brother, the reigning, defending, undisputed NEW World Strongest Swordsman, Zoro!!
Still a better story for both Chopper and Zoro than they are right now, Chopper being useless mascot and Zoro getting WSS only in EoS.
It doesn't if there is more to it. This is what I've been trying to say. Nobody knows what Shanks is really trying to do.
"Pirate King" might honestly not be good enough. We all know Luffy has a second dream, and it's seemingly even more impossible than Pirate King because people have laughed (Sabo) and cried (Yamato) about it. Ace was super serious about too. We also don't even know the context of Shanks saying it to Rayleigh when he said that Roger also had this dream.
This is why it's important, because Gol D. Roger already became Pirate King and couldn't do what needed to be done after or achieve this dream. But THIS is how Luffy achieves it and surpasses Roger. And THIS is why I think Shanks is way more important than we give him credit for being.
"Pirate King" might honestly not be good enough. We all know Luffy has a second dream, and it's seemingly even more impossible than Pirate King because people have laughed (Sabo) and cried (Yamato) about it. Ace was super serious about too. We also don't even know the context of Shanks saying it to Rayleigh when he said that Roger also had this dream.
This is why it's important, because Gol D. Roger already became Pirate King and couldn't do what needed to be done after or achieve this dream. But THIS is how Luffy achieves it and surpasses Roger. And THIS is why I think Shanks is way more important than we give him credit for being.
I am in mobile, can't see the signature now.
I believe he met them to warn about Blackbeard, just like he met Whitebeard to warn about BB. He is warning the Gorosei that BB is coming for that empty throne to be the next Xebec, I.e. the king of the world.
I talked about this in this thread based on Celestial's theory =>
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-on-your-predictions-for-the-final-arc.13322/
Garp also made a nice post which says the same thing =>
Not a bad idea, but the way you included Mihawk in this sounds kind of forced.
I believe he met them to warn about Blackbeard, just like he met Whitebeard to warn about BB. He is warning the Gorosei that BB is coming for that empty throne to be the next Xebec, I.e. the king of the world.
I talked about this in this thread based on Celestial's theory =>
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-on-your-predictions-for-the-final-arc.13322/
Garp also made a nice post which says the same thing =>
Not a bad idea, but the way you included Mihawk in this sounds kind of forced.
Allow your phone to rotate, you see sigs on wide-screen.
And I don't believe it was Blackbeard, because if it was Blackbeard then Oda would have just implied it there. It's no secret he doesn't like Blackbeard. There is no meaning behind it to cliffhanger that statment. Plus, he waited until THAT moment to talk about Blackbeard? Why not the last 2 years? Blackbeard didn't make his move until AFTER the Reverie. The only notable thing that happens before this is Luffy getting a massive bounty raise.
And in that case, why is he warning the Gorosei of all people about Blackbeard? They are worse than he is lol. I'm sorry, I don't agree with that notion lol.
And yes I've read that post before with Garp. Like ive said I believe Blackbeard is tied into the endgame. If you read the post I have, I go into what I think Blackbeard and Shanks are to each other. I just don't agree he's the "last" fight. Blackbeard doesn't really bring this series to an emotional close. He's not that kind of antagonist.
And I don't believe it was Blackbeard, because if it was Blackbeard then Oda would have just implied it there. It's no secret he doesn't like Blackbeard. There is no meaning behind it to cliffhanger that statment. Plus, he waited until THAT moment to talk about Blackbeard? Why not the last 2 years? Blackbeard didn't make his move until AFTER the Reverie. The only notable thing that happens before this is Luffy getting a massive bounty raise.
And in that case, why is he warning the Gorosei of all people about Blackbeard? They are worse than he is lol. I'm sorry, I don't agree with that notion lol.
And yes I've read that post before with Garp. Like ive said I believe Blackbeard is tied into the endgame. If you read the post I have, I go into what I think Blackbeard and Shanks are to each other. I just don't agree he's the "last" fight. Blackbeard doesn't really bring this series to an emotional close. He's not that kind of antagonist.
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