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@SakazOuki @MarineHQ i calmed down. Yall know yall are my bois lol
But at the very least Genpou has defeated his oponnent, right ?
IIRC Genpou didn’t defeat either of them, I could be wrong but he didn’t defeat either of Mougou’s generals.
But that’s irrelevant because Genpou is tiers and tiers above Domon and Eibei lol. I think it was Eibei who got effortlessly one shot by one armed Rinko, these guys pose no real threat to Genpou.
The point is to show Genpou hasn’t actually accomplished anything on panel aside from devastating two base generals, which is nothing compared to what Keisha did to Duke Hyou and definitely not Keisha defeating Riboku. More on that:
Welcome to another day in the Kingdom section, this time Lee claims having ×3 the numbers of your enemies actually doesn't have any influence in the battle until the narrator says so.
I didn’t say Keisha having more numbers meant nothing, I said it wasn’t highlighted
as the reason he defeated Duke Hyou. I’m not going through this again but Keisha defeated Duke Hyou by actually taking steps to render a top tier Great General completely and utterly helpless to react to his intentions. Which wouldn’t change no matter how many men Keisha has. Duke Hyou won’t suddenly be able to read Keisha just because you take some of his numbers away. This is literally a top tier feat from Keisha against a high top tier commander.
Why do you underestimate Heki's skills as a general ?
He put Yotanwa's chieftains to shame by pushing the Quanrong forces further than they could which was actually another ridiculous topic I've seen around here.
With 10,000 men, Duke Hyou was able to stall and give the 100,000 man Houmei army a good fight.
Now tell me Heki’s 30,000 defeat Duke Hyou’s 10,000. You know they don’t lol. That battle is still, best case scenario for Heki, a mid diff win for the Duke.
Why, is Keisha 3GH himself
Beating Keisha doesn't mean you're 3GH level, and not once have I stated that Akou is absolutely superior to Keisha, they're in the same tier more or less but I'm still choosing Akou due to his wide array of expertise.
Yeah beating Keisha makes you 3GH level, I don’t think that’s a controversial statement. Keisha would have claimed the 3GH rank if he’d have beaten Kanki, for sure. He was the closest of any Zhao commander excluding Shibashou to that empty seat.
@Owl Ki at no point was Kochou ever suggested or implied to be a 3GH candidate, at best he was simply an important Zhao Great General.
If anything, Kochou makes Keisha even more impressive since Kochou was capable of leading the entire Zhao military, stalling out Ousen, Yotanwa, Kanki, and the newQ3 for an entire year by himself, and yet Keisha was still closer to the 3GH rank than Kochou. I’d put Kochou above Mougou and Choutou as a Great General, but beneath Keisha by both portrayal and hype.
Lmfao, it was too pathetic to even argue against, it's a Doffy = Admiral level of takes
I did show you Moubu level Shoumou getting one shot by Ouki -who you think is inferior to Bayou Moubu btw-, but you decided that this average bum from Seika is stronger than legends like Kanmei. This can only mean there's a major flow in the way you interpret a general's strength, and Hara couldn't have showcased it better by having Batei's equal one shot ''Moubu's equal''
Please
I’m not repeating everything I said about Jiaga here, but yes Akou ~ Keisha is more ridiculous a take than Jiaga ~ Moubu. Moubu got utterly fucking cumstered by a Chu general of moderate renown, the idea that he is some untouchable beast is as ridiculous as the notion that Renpa is some untouchable beast. There are warriors relative to Renpa just as there are warriors relative to Moubu. If nobody was relative to Moubu then he wouldn’t have gotten utterly scrubified by Man’U.
And yes, Man’U utterly fucking scrubified Moubu. This is how their confrontation started:
This is how their confrontation ended:
This notion that Moubu low diffs everyone is perpetuated by morons, if Man’U were even remotely serious against Moubu than Moubu would’ve been effectively low diffed by him. If you think Moubu is the actual strongest warrior in China right now, you haven’t been reading Moubu’s arc and there’s no debating that fact.
You have no reason to doubt Jiaga ~ Moubu, none at all, unless you just downplay Shiryou as weaker than Akou/Bananji as a warrior for LITERALLY. LITERALLY zero reason. Cry and Mald about it all you want, you are wrong and you have no argument.
You always wank Gyou'Un as RSJ's sword, stronger than Renpa, mantle of Zhao martial might, fought to claim Qin6 heads
Gyou’Un was a stronger
warrior than Renpa yes. As a general Renpa is of course above him.
But you're not willing to give credit to someone who stopped all these high quality generals effortlessly, as if Keisha is on an entirely different level
In what way am I not giving Akou credit? Where have I denied anything you or MHQ said about him? Everything you guys said about Akou is mostly true, where you are wrong is that:
1. No other Heavenly King has Akou level feats and hype when multiple do
2. Just straight up denying and ignoring Keisha’s portrayal
You explicitly ignored what I said about Shunsuiju holding off Bajio, Shunmen, and Tajifu single handedly and without using any 3GH level formation. You said something like holding off 3HK level commanders was something only Akou could do. It’s not, Shunsuiju is doing the same thing right now.
Renpa held off Ouki and Hakuki for two years straight by himself. Does this mean Renpa > Ouki or Renpa > Hakuki? No, this is just what you can do at a certain level. Kochou held off the whole Qin army including 3 6GG for a year. Does this mean Kochou is above them? Lol, no
So you say we’re supposed to be floored at Akou holding off 3 Heavenly Kings, when Shunsuiju did essentially the same thing, and Kochou and Renpa outright did something much crazier. “You would lose your mind if a Fire Dragon did this” you say. No, not really.
The ones who are ACTUALLY ignoring the hype the manga has placed on a commander in the manga is the Akou gang ignoring Keisha’s hype. “It doesn’t count because he had more numbers” even though the manga never made a big deal about the numbers. “It doesn’t count because it’s a simulation” even though Riboku said even in a real battle defeating Keisha would not be easy. “It doesn’t count because Keisha was scared of Zenou”, which I’m pretty sure you just made this up because…it’s been a while since I read KokuYou hills, but I specifically remember Keisha not being afraid in that situation and him escaping quite easily.
So no, I’m not ignoring any of Akou’s hype in the slightest. It’s you all who are ignoring and discrediting Keisha at every step of the way.
Leadership: iron man of the Ousen army, no need for introductions. Definitely not the type to freeze in his place and shit his pants when flanked by Zenou. Keisha was acting like a teenager there.
Yeah do you have a panel? Like I said I don’t remember Keisha showing fear at all here. Like I said I explicitly remember him telling his men to stay calm and looking undisturbed before he easily escaped.
But yeah let's ignore all that and pretend Keisha is on an entirely different level for no real reason
Case and point lmfao. “None of it counts” “it’s all fake” “Keisha is a fraud” etc lol.
Notice how I didn’t need to discredit even one of Akou’s feats to point to examples of commanders performing similar or outright better feats than him. And ask yourself why you need to go out of your way to call the likes of Riboku and Shunshinkun liars to accomplish anything when trying to argue against Keisha.
