Speculations Who will defeat Big Mom?
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Luffy beats her in Wano. By which he stalemates or surpasses her to an extent that she's pushed back. That's it. Oda has too much of a hang up showing his precious Gummy Boy beating up on a 68 year old grandmother, even one who is a male raping, child killing cannibal such as Linlin.
Kaidou kills her later when she interferes. The End.
Kaidou kills her later when she interferes. The End.
J
First of all :
Wano is the beginning of endgame
A Yonko falling with no presence of admiral is a nonsense.
Second of all :
Kizaru wasnt gonna take out BM or Kaido,
He was gonna try stop BM from meeting Kaido and he wouldnt succeed anyway
Garp never gave Kaido and BM collective L
It was Roger + Garp vs Xebec, ..
SSG doesn't mean a thing to Yonko , you one of those that believe warlords can take out a Yonko + crew?
Third of all :
Congrats for believing worstgen + smoker will take down 2 emperors in one arc, when beating Kaido himself will be near impossible.
I bet you are of those that believed BM wont be in Wano.
Kizaru and Navy are coming, that's obvious
Another admiral might tag along.
"Kizaru & sentomaru arent connected" what manga do you read?
See you in act 4 or at the end of act 3
Wano is the beginning of endgame
A Yonko falling with no presence of admiral is a nonsense.
Second of all :
Kizaru wasnt gonna take out BM or Kaido,
He was gonna try stop BM from meeting Kaido and he wouldnt succeed anyway
Garp never gave Kaido and BM collective L
It was Roger + Garp vs Xebec, ..
SSG doesn't mean a thing to Yonko , you one of those that believe warlords can take out a Yonko + crew?
Third of all :
Congrats for believing worstgen + smoker will take down 2 emperors in one arc, when beating Kaido himself will be near impossible.
I bet you are of those that believed BM wont be in Wano.
Kizaru and Navy are coming, that's obvious
Another admiral might tag along.
"Kizaru & sentomaru arent connected" what manga do you read?
See you in act 4 or at the end of act 3
Big Mom is getting defeated in WCI.
Luffy has already said so 3 times in the WCI arc.
Against Katakuri.
Against Big mom in the middle of the arc.
At the wedding against Big Mom.
Also, all villains get defeated in their own territory, proof?
Based on trends and evidence, most likely Big Mom gets defeated at WCI which he intends to return to.
She's not a threat to Elbaph, therefore, she can't go to Elbaph. She's even trying to create giants, why is that significant? Big mom takes things by force and if she can't, it means something is stopping her and only force and power stops Big Mom; since she can't take them by force, she's trying to force people to become giants through sicence. There's no reason why Big Mom will go to Elbaph since she can't exactly subdue them.
More so, the places villains get defeated genuinely always need Luffy to save them... Ellbaph doesn't need saving. They're said to have the strongest army in the world. WCI will need to be saved because its being ruled by Big Mom, a tyrant. Luffy's career as a pirate is literally liberating people from tyrants and such.
Yes, they get protected by Big Mom, but she's still a tyrant. She kills. She takes away the freedom of the people of WCI. If they try to leave Tottoland, they will get killed because Big Mom is a dictator who is a megalomaniac and control freak.
While I'm personally 99% confident she's getting defeated at WCI, Oda may still try to switch things up. It's just highly unlikely Big Mom will get defeated outside her territory. There's far too much symbolism that goes with defeating a villain in their own territory, it just makes Luffy seem much more of a threat.
I'm assuming Big Mom will leave Wano before they take on Kaido. Denjiro will probably misinform Orochi who still trusts him and alert the alliance to charge once they've gone. The alliance simply cannot defeat 2 Emperors at once; it's unrealistic at the very least.
Luffy has already said so 3 times in the WCI arc.
Against Katakuri.
Also, all villains get defeated in their own territory, proof?
- Arlong got defeated in his territory, Cocoyashi village
- Wapol got defeated in his territory, Drumg Kingdom
- Crocodile got defeated in his territory, Alabasta
- Enel got defected in his territory, Skypiea
- CP9 got defeated in their territory/base, Enies Lobby
- Moriah got defeated in his territory, Thriller Bark
- Caesar got defeated in his territory, Punk Hazard
- Joker got defeated in his territory, Dressrosa
- Kaido is getting defeated in his territory, Wano
Based on trends and evidence, most likely Big Mom gets defeated at WCI which he intends to return to.
- There's also no reason why Big Mom will get defeated in Elbaph.
- She can't go there because she was banished.
- She tried to arrange a political marriage to attain their army to become Pirate King and failed.
She's not a threat to Elbaph, therefore, she can't go to Elbaph. She's even trying to create giants, why is that significant? Big mom takes things by force and if she can't, it means something is stopping her and only force and power stops Big Mom; since she can't take them by force, she's trying to force people to become giants through sicence. There's no reason why Big Mom will go to Elbaph since she can't exactly subdue them.
More so, the places villains get defeated genuinely always need Luffy to save them... Ellbaph doesn't need saving. They're said to have the strongest army in the world. WCI will need to be saved because its being ruled by Big Mom, a tyrant. Luffy's career as a pirate is literally liberating people from tyrants and such.
Yes, they get protected by Big Mom, but she's still a tyrant. She kills. She takes away the freedom of the people of WCI. If they try to leave Tottoland, they will get killed because Big Mom is a dictator who is a megalomaniac and control freak.
While I'm personally 99% confident she's getting defeated at WCI, Oda may still try to switch things up. It's just highly unlikely Big Mom will get defeated outside her territory. There's far too much symbolism that goes with defeating a villain in their own territory, it just makes Luffy seem much more of a threat.
I'm assuming Big Mom will leave Wano before they take on Kaido. Denjiro will probably misinform Orochi who still trusts him and alert the alliance to charge once they've gone. The alliance simply cannot defeat 2 Emperors at once; it's unrealistic at the very least.
1st of all:
- "Wano is the beginning of endgame", uhhh homie that was Dressrosa, with Doflamingo's fall triggering the throne war.
- A Yonko falling with no presence of admiral is a non-sense.. Oh it's non-sense for the Yonko to fall in the Yonko saga without the admirals? I didn't know this saga was called Yonko & Marine saga, my bad.
2nd of all:
- In order to take try to stop the meeting he would have to take them on. And if he's taking them on he's gonna try to win, especially when his leader is Sakazuki and not the pacifist Sengoku.
- "It was Roger + Garp vs Xebec".. uhhh nah homie. It was Garp & Roger vs Xebec + Whitebeard + Shiki + Big Mamu + Kaido + Captain John + etc. Do you know the two people who contributed the most to the fall? Garp & Roger.. do you know what that means? Garp gave a collective L to Big Mamu & Kaido.
"SSG doesn't mean a thing to Yonko".. Bruh you haven't even seen the SSG's capabilities. Fujitora over here fanboying about it for just fun you think?
3rd of all:
Thanks man. The Worst Generation is 100% taking down Kaido & Big Mom, this is the conclusion of a storyline that's been building up since Fishman Island, when Luffy declared war on Big Mamu. Now with Smoker/Drake/Sentomaru/Tashigi shinning i'm not 100% certain about, since Oda does have a tendency to favor the pirates in terms of on-panel stuff over the marines.
"When beating Kaido himself will be near impossible" uhhhh no it won't be near impossible. You have a guy who's gonna cut up Kaido and you have a guy who's gonna punch the crap out of Kaido.. both of whom just spent time training hard before the raid started. That "Kaido is impossible" bs ain't gone work on me.
- Uhh Big Mom coming to Wano was pretty clear the moment she read the news about Luffy giving her a L.
- No It's not obvious, and this is coming from somebody who advocated for Kizaru/ Green Bull/ Fujitora coming to Wano long before you started doing it.
- You're not gonna have 2 admirals coming to Wano, unless they're gonna be the final bosses of Wano. Fujitora being at Dressrosa and not putting down Doflamingo in an instant was already hard to digest. Let alone two admirals coming to Wano and not clearing up the pirate trash when they'd already be fucked up from fighting each other.
"What manga do you read?" The manga where Sentomaru is the Captain of the Science Corps that the SSG is part of and where he doesn't require Kizaru to come with him..this ain't pre-TS homie, this is post-TS.
- "Wano is the beginning of endgame", uhhh homie that was Dressrosa, with Doflamingo's fall triggering the throne war.
- A Yonko falling with no presence of admiral is a non-sense.. Oh it's non-sense for the Yonko to fall in the Yonko saga without the admirals? I didn't know this saga was called Yonko & Marine saga, my bad.
2nd of all:
- In order to take try to stop the meeting he would have to take them on. And if he's taking them on he's gonna try to win, especially when his leader is Sakazuki and not the pacifist Sengoku.
- "It was Roger + Garp vs Xebec".. uhhh nah homie. It was Garp & Roger vs Xebec + Whitebeard + Shiki + Big Mamu + Kaido + Captain John + etc. Do you know the two people who contributed the most to the fall? Garp & Roger.. do you know what that means? Garp gave a collective L to Big Mamu & Kaido.
"SSG doesn't mean a thing to Yonko".. Bruh you haven't even seen the SSG's capabilities. Fujitora over here fanboying about it for just fun you think?
3rd of all:
Thanks man. The Worst Generation is 100% taking down Kaido & Big Mom, this is the conclusion of a storyline that's been building up since Fishman Island, when Luffy declared war on Big Mamu. Now with Smoker/Drake/Sentomaru/Tashigi shinning i'm not 100% certain about, since Oda does have a tendency to favor the pirates in terms of on-panel stuff over the marines.
"When beating Kaido himself will be near impossible" uhhhh no it won't be near impossible. You have a guy who's gonna cut up Kaido and you have a guy who's gonna punch the crap out of Kaido.. both of whom just spent time training hard before the raid started. That "Kaido is impossible" bs ain't gone work on me.
- Uhh Big Mom coming to Wano was pretty clear the moment she read the news about Luffy giving her a L.
- No It's not obvious, and this is coming from somebody who advocated for Kizaru/ Green Bull/ Fujitora coming to Wano long before you started doing it.
- You're not gonna have 2 admirals coming to Wano, unless they're gonna be the final bosses of Wano. Fujitora being at Dressrosa and not putting down Doflamingo in an instant was already hard to digest. Let alone two admirals coming to Wano and not clearing up the pirate trash when they'd already be fucked up from fighting each other.
"What manga do you read?" The manga where Sentomaru is the Captain of the Science Corps that the SSG is part of and where he doesn't require Kizaru to come with him..this ain't pre-TS homie, this is post-TS.
Lol at Kid beating Linlin.
Anyway, Luffy has already promised to beat her, so he will. There's no reason why it can't happen in Wano. Linlin came specifically to kill Luffy, Luffy is all but ready to fight both Linlin and Kaido should he have to. And I believe Nami and possibly Brook will aid him in his battle against her. They are natural counters to her, and Linlin also came to Wano in order to retrieve Zeus, who is in the possession of Nami.
It might even be a combination of those 3 and Linlin's alliance with Kaido falling apart, that the two sustain enough against eachother, Luffy and co take advantage of it.
Anyway, Luffy has already promised to beat her, so he will. There's no reason why it can't happen in Wano. Linlin came specifically to kill Luffy, Luffy is all but ready to fight both Linlin and Kaido should he have to. And I believe Nami and possibly Brook will aid him in his battle against her. They are natural counters to her, and Linlin also came to Wano in order to retrieve Zeus, who is in the possession of Nami.
It might even be a combination of those 3 and Linlin's alliance with Kaido falling apart, that the two sustain enough against eachother, Luffy and co take advantage of it.
Very likely he does have Future Sight.
It's impossible to tell if a character have Future sight unless they state so.
If Katakuri has it, more likely the top tiers do.
Even Whitebeard probably had it to.
It's like how people thought Joker was the only Awakened DF user simply because he was the only one we'd seen fighting. More likely just like there are many Awakened DF users, there are also many Future Sight users amongst the high tiers.
It's impossible to tell if a character have Future sight unless they state so.
If Katakuri has it, more likely the top tiers do.
Even Whitebeard probably had it to.
It's like how people thought Joker was the only Awakened DF user simply because he was the only one we'd seen fighting. More likely just like there are many Awakened DF users, there are also many Future Sight users amongst the high tiers.
Rayleigh never had Future Sight nor did Whitebeard. Not with his overpowered Devil Fruit.
They way Rayleigh talked about Future Sight confirms that he does not have it.
It is extremely rare.
Oda only gives Luffy extremely rare hax abilities for a reason. It is too give Luffy an edge over everyone else and counter Blackbeard. It was this or luffy learns Swordsmanship.
He also gave great defense and offense, Advanced Armament Haki level 1. Barrier and Shickwave blast haki
Luffy had hax lethality Advanced Armament Haki level 2 Internal Destruction Haki. Extremely Rare Future Sight equivalent Haki. ( Only Garp, Rayleigh and Luffy have it)
Luffy will also get Advanced Conquerors Haki which will be the most hax of them all.
They way Rayleigh talked about Future Sight confirms that he does not have it.
It is extremely rare.
Oda only gives Luffy extremely rare hax abilities for a reason. It is too give Luffy an edge over everyone else and counter Blackbeard. It was this or luffy learns Swordsmanship.
He also gave great defense and offense, Advanced Armament Haki level 1. Barrier and Shickwave blast haki
Luffy had hax lethality Advanced Armament Haki level 2 Internal Destruction Haki. Extremely Rare Future Sight equivalent Haki. ( Only Garp, Rayleigh and Luffy have it)
Luffy will also get Advanced Conquerors Haki which will be the most hax of them all.
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J
Big Mom is getting defeated in WCI.
Luffy has already said so 3 times in the WCI arc.
Against Katakuri.
Against Big mom in the middle of the arc.
At the wedding against Big Mom.
Also, all villains get defeated in their own territory, proof?
Based on trends and evidence, most likely Big Mom gets defeated at WCI which he intends to return to.
She's not a threat to Elbaph, therefore, she can't go to Elbaph. She's even trying to create giants, why is that significant? Big mom takes things by force and if she can't, it means something is stopping her and only force and power stops Big Mom; since she can't take them by force, she's trying to force people to become giants through sicence. There's no reason why Big Mom will go to Elbaph since she can't exactly subdue them.
More so, the places villains get defeated genuinely always need Luffy to save them... Ellbaph doesn't need saving. They're said to have the strongest army in the world. WCI will need to be saved because its being ruled by Big Mom, a tyrant. Luffy's career as a pirate is literally liberating people from tyrants and such.
Yes, they get protected by Big Mom, but she's still a tyrant. She kills. She takes away the freedom of the people of WCI. If they try to leave Tottoland, they will get killed because Big Mom is a dictator who is a megalomaniac and control freak.
While I'm personally 99% confident she's getting defeated at WCI, Oda may still try to switch things up. It's just highly unlikely Big Mom will get defeated outside her territory. There's far too much symbolism that goes with defeating a villain in their own territory, it just makes Luffy seem much more of a threat.
I'm assuming Big Mom will leave Wano before they take on Kaido. Denjiro will probably misinform Orochi who still trusts him and alert the alliance to charge once they've gone. The alliance simply cannot defeat 2 Emperors at once; it's unrealistic at the very least.
Luffy has already said so 3 times in the WCI arc.
Against Katakuri.
Also, all villains get defeated in their own territory, proof?
- Arlong got defeated in his territory, Cocoyashi village
- Wapol got defeated in his territory, Drumg Kingdom
- Crocodile got defeated in his territory, Alabasta
- Enel got defected in his territory, Skypiea
- CP9 got defeated in their territory/base, Enies Lobby
- Moriah got defeated in his territory, Thriller Bark
- Caesar got defeated in his territory, Punk Hazard
- Joker got defeated in his territory, Dressrosa
- Kaido is getting defeated in his territory, Wano
Based on trends and evidence, most likely Big Mom gets defeated at WCI which he intends to return to.
- There's also no reason why Big Mom will get defeated in Elbaph.
- She can't go there because she was banished.
- She tried to arrange a political marriage to attain their army to become Pirate King and failed.
She's not a threat to Elbaph, therefore, she can't go to Elbaph. She's even trying to create giants, why is that significant? Big mom takes things by force and if she can't, it means something is stopping her and only force and power stops Big Mom; since she can't take them by force, she's trying to force people to become giants through sicence. There's no reason why Big Mom will go to Elbaph since she can't exactly subdue them.
More so, the places villains get defeated genuinely always need Luffy to save them... Ellbaph doesn't need saving. They're said to have the strongest army in the world. WCI will need to be saved because its being ruled by Big Mom, a tyrant. Luffy's career as a pirate is literally liberating people from tyrants and such.
Yes, they get protected by Big Mom, but she's still a tyrant. She kills. She takes away the freedom of the people of WCI. If they try to leave Tottoland, they will get killed because Big Mom is a dictator who is a megalomaniac and control freak.
While I'm personally 99% confident she's getting defeated at WCI, Oda may still try to switch things up. It's just highly unlikely Big Mom will get defeated outside her territory. There's far too much symbolism that goes with defeating a villain in their own territory, it just makes Luffy seem much more of a threat.
I'm assuming Big Mom will leave Wano before they take on Kaido. Denjiro will probably misinform Orochi who still trusts him and alert the alliance to charge once they've gone. The alliance simply cannot defeat 2 Emperors at once; it's unrealistic at the very least.
BM isnt getting defeated by luffy at WCI.
Maybe I missed thatinterview. Only thing regarding endgame from Oda i recall reading is:
"Endgame might be in sight soon"
Maybe you can link me the interview where he says Wano is the start of Endgame. 😁
As if any Yonko has beaten an admiral level person before lol. I'll wait for you at EoS when admirals out do the overgrown baboon and his nanny big mamu.
"Endgame might be in sight soon"
Maybe you can link me the interview where he says Wano is the start of Endgame. 😁
As if any Yonko has beaten an admiral level person before lol. I'll wait for you at EoS when admirals out do the overgrown baboon and his nanny big mamu.