Current Events Why Are People So Convinced it's 9 VAs vs Strawhats?

Will each of the 9 Strawhats fight one of the 9 Vice Admirals

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#65
Admittedly, 9 vs 9 does fit very well.

But:

1. The Strawhats force is larger than just the 9 Strawhats:
  • Lucci
  • Kaku
  • Stussy
  • Bonney
  • Sentomaru
  • The other satellites (?)

2. The 9 Strawhats aren't the strongest characters on the Strawhats' side.

The three CP-0 agents seem stronger than all Strawhats bar the monster quartet.

And if the CP-0 agents betray them, they again become enemies for the Strawhats (with superior portrayal to the 9 VAs).

But it doesn't seem like they intend to do so.


3. The 9 Vice Admirals aren't the strongest on the Navy/WG's side:
  • S-Hawk
  • S-Bear
  • S-Snake
  • S-Shark
  • Any other Seraphim Saturn brought along

With Saturn at Egg Head, he'll presumably regain control of the Seraphim.

The 4 Seraphim are stronger than the majority of the 9 VAs, and plausibly all of them.

Furthermore, these Seraphim are way, way, more hyped and relevant to the story than the 9 VAs.

It is for these Seraphim that the Shichibukai were disbanded. And the Shichibukai have always been given far superior portrayal to VAs (Doflamingo's debut was literally toying with VAs).

There's a real sense in which the Seraphim are the "main antagonists" of Egghead moreso than the 9 VAs.


The 9 VAs aren't necessarily the calamities + Tobi Roppo of Egg Head. At least their current portrayal doesn't support it. If anything most of them seem to be more like the Numbers.


The Seraphim have portrayal closer to that of the Tobi Roppo.

They've been given the highlighted focus, clashed with the strongest members of the Strawhats etc.


9 VAs vs 9 Strawhats ignores the elephant in the room that is the 4+ Seraphim.



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Honestly the Seraphim are done for the time being.
Either they’re out of commission or Vegapunk has no plans to take them into combat since they weren’t in the shot and the bandages look like the fight between them and straw hats continued.

Bonney and Lucci honestly feel like they’ll be limited to fodder clearing then a moment against Saturn (like Yamato in Wano)

Sentomaru screams Kizaru hype tool to me.

And Vegapunk is probably going to pull a Momo where at the very end he pulls an ace up his sleeve that’ll be an MVP play (likely using the giant robot to stall Saturn as the straw hats escape)
 
#66
@Cinera
If that doesn't happen,two big problems in the manga will continue.
-Oda stacking the good guys side nonstop,while leaving the villains side without legs to stand on. He did it in shitty country arc,and the conflict became a big joke. If this doesn't stop now,the final war is sure to be the next fourth great ninja war.
-The characters of the main cast being cast aside. In new world,there has been this trend of having side characters do the fighting job instead of the straw hats,which has made Chopper,Usopp and Brook not feel like main characters anymore. What's the use of having characters who don't do anything in the main cast? This is shitty writing and needs to stop.
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Jokes on ya Brook , chopper are not main characters
Theyre glorified side cast
 
#67
When Zoro & Luffy knock out 50-90% of the Marines with a CoC blast
Yeah, in Two Piece.
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Jokes on ya Brook , chopper are not main characters
Theyre glorified side cast
Everybody not named Luffy is factually a side character, though, so that's not really a slight on either Brook or Chopper.
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Why are you so mad bro? Let people have fun with their theories and agendas, how does that hurt you personally?
Admittedly, it is a well-known fact that @traxex123 ought to stop talking until he or she gets smarter. :suresure:
 
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#68
Yeah, in Two Piece.
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Everybody not named Luffy is factually a side character, though, so that's not really a slight on either Brook or Chopper.
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Admittedly, it is a well know fact that @traxex123 ought to stop talking until he or she gets smarter. :suresure:
It's all Two Piece :suresure:
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#71
One of the main problems for me, is that Oda will never let fighters like Franky/Brook/Robin and fighters like Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe fight the same level of opponents.

When Zoro fought one of Doffy's Seats, Franky fought one of Doffy's Executives who ranked below the Seats.
When Zoro fought one of Kaidou's Calamities, Franky fought one of Kaidou's Tobi Roppo who ranked below the Calamities.

All 9 members won't be fighting people of the same level, either there'll be two distinct Powerlevels within the 9 Vice Admirals or the 3 Commanders of Luffy are simply going to fight a different opponent.
 
#72
yeah I don't get it either
Wano was the big fight arc, this arc is far more about worldbuilding and the Gorosei/WG. At most we'll have a couple of quick fights and an escape from the Island
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One of the main problems for me, is that Oda will never let fighters like Franky/Brook/Robin and fighters like Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe fight the same level of opponents.

When Zoro fought one of Doffy's Seats, Franky fought one of Doffy's Executives who ranked below the Seats.
When Zoro fought one of Kaidou's Calamities, Franky fought one of Kaidou's Tobi Roppo who ranked below the Calamities.

All 9 members won't be fighting people of the same level, either there'll be two distinct Powerlevels within the 9 Vice Admirals or the 3 Commanders of Luffy are simply going to fight a different opponent.
Correct but there''s no set level for Vice Admiral
Vice Admirals are basically people that can use the most basic haki but have enough experience and tactical nous to lead large groups of Marines. They can range from Garp to Maynard in power. There are lower ranking Marines more powerful than a number of Vice Admirals - there are fodder VAs and strong VAs.
 

Cinera

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#73
If Zoro, Jinbe and Sanji fight VA’s it should be a low to mid dif fight. All these characters are on YC level, the stronger VA’s have been shown to be around Veteran/F6 level.
Zoro is not YC level.


Honestly the Seraphim are done for the time being.
Either they’re out of commission or Vegapunk has no plans to take them into combat since they weren’t in the shot and the bandages look like the fight between them and straw hats continued.
The release of the petrified hats implies the alliance got the Seraphim under control.

I am not particularly compelled by their absence in that double spread.


One of the main problems for me, is that Oda will never let fighters like Franky/Brook/Robin and fighters like Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe fight the same level of opponents.
Jimbe should go with Franky TBH:
  • In Wano he fought Tobi Roppo alongside Robin and Franky
  • In Egghead he didn't fight a Seraphim like Luffy/Zoro/Sanji
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#74
Correct but there''s no set level for Vice Admiral
Vice Admirals are basically people that can use the most basic haki but have enough experience and tactical nous to lead large groups of Marines. They can range from Garp to Maynard in power. There are lower ranking Marines more powerful than a number of Vice Admirals - there are fodder VAs and strong VAs.
Fair, Oda can easily solve this issue by making few of the VAs standout and giving them command & higher bounties.
Or by making them Zodiacs.

Jimbe should go with Franky TBH:
  • In Wano he fought Tobi Roppo alongside Robin and Franky
  • In Egghead he didn't fight a Seraphim like Luffy/Zoro/Sanji
Yeah no.





Respect Jinbe, a former Warlord. He shits on Franky level fighters.
 
#75
One of the main problems for me, is that Oda will never let fighters like Franky/Brook/Robin and fighters like Zoro/Sanji/Jinbe fight the same level of opponents.

When Zoro fought one of Doffy's Seats, Franky fought one of Doffy's Executives who ranked below the Seats.
When Zoro fought one of Kaidou's Calamities, Franky fought one of Kaidou's Tobi Roppo who ranked below the Calamities.

All 9 members won't be fighting people of the same level, either there'll be two distinct Powerlevels within the 9 Vice Admirals or the 3 Commanders of Luffy are simply going to fight a different opponent.
There are also levels between Vice admirals. Doll is a base commander for example.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#76
There are also levels between Vice admirals. Doll is a base commander for example.
Sure, it's just not as clear cut as the divisions in other crews. Oda can easily solve that issue, but if he doesn't - then you know they aren't fighting the same fighters as Franky/Robin/Brook.
 
#78
Sure, it's just not as clear cut as the divisions in other crews. Oda can easily solve that issue, but if he doesn't - then you know they aren't fighting the same fighters as Franky/Robin/Brook.
Dunno why you would think that. They can even be separate clearly through bounty. I bet the weakest of them will have like 200m bounties whereas the strongest go up to a billion, that's the distinction Oda really only needs to make.
 

Cinera

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#80
Fair, Oda can easily solve this issue by making few of the VAs standout and giving them command & higher bounties.
Or by making them Zodiacs.


Yeah no.





Respect Jinbe, a former Warlord. He shits on Franky level fighters.
I don't mean from a power level standpoint, but from a who he fought standpoint.

Wano and Egghead Part 1, he didn't fight Zoro/Sanji calibre opponents.


They can range from Garp to Maynard in power.
Using Garp feels disingenuous because he explicitly turned down an Admiral promotion.

He proves nothing about VAs.


He won't, because that would officially make a VA title worthless
In fairness there's the Cross Guild bounty system. And we know some Marines have a bounty of 1 billion.

The Egghead VAs could be introduced as having varying bounties to set their power levels.
 
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