Questions & Mysteries Why did Luffy's fruit become relevant years after he became a famous pirate?

[Gol D. Roger]

I think Shanks was amazed by Luffy, no way Oda would ever step on that. This is why Shanks will never be evil or wishing Luffy harm, it will undermine the first bond of the series, the core.

That's what I'd like to believe but I can't help but sense the danger these new developments possess to the nature of the relationship b/w Shanks and Luffy.

Also, put all "Shanks is a snitch" believers on ignore. They're haters—we're not gonna fall for their tricks

 

[Herrera95]

There is still possibility the awakening is not about Luffy. Being about Kaido is more likely since we even had Vegapunk trying to replicate it(and succeding?).

Maybe that plot with Who's Who and Luffy's DF was just to hide the real DF they were talking, Kaido's. Or, at a small possibility, Yamato's since Kaido said it was special DF too.

Wano has a lot of special DF users right now.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I just want to point out some early dialogue from Shanks that people have very obviously overlooked:

He agrees with Buggy that being a pirate is doing things your own way and fighting to the finish on clashing ideals.

This scene is exactly what I've honestly based my Shanks theories on as a foundation Clearly Luffy wants to fight Shanks. Clearly Shanks does too based on how he looks at his bounties.

Let's say that Shanks wants Luffy to accomplish something because of this DF and he assumes Luffy has a particular role in doing so, what if Luffy disagrees with the method? What if they clash on any idea in the future, considering they are in fact meant to clash? If taking Shanks' words seriously here, a clash of ideals could mean a fight to the death. This is why I think this is where the series will reserve its climax on.

Shanks, imo, is Oda's biggest and oldest plot twist. If he's meant to be this "inspirational" figure that ends up being not who he says he is, then I think we might be gearing up for a VERY emotional finish to this series. Luffy being inspired then subsequently betrayed by someone he trusted is actually a great plot twist and one we seem to be heading towards

 

[Herrera95]

It now definitely makes a lot more sense the RHP actually went through the effort to steal a DF.

Effort? Shanks vs Who's Who?

 

[Gol D. Roger]

luffy's fruit not being rubber? kaido is also the first opponent to point it out.
just sounds too convenient.

Lmao, this is so dumb. Luffy trained under Rayleigh, fought Doffy, and then fought Katakuri but Oda chose Kaido of all people to tell us what Luffy's fruit shouldn't be able to do.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Guys, Devil Fruits are extremely rare. Even Buggy's DF was considered an extremely rare commodity and could be sold for 100 million Berries

The fact that you see "many" in the story at this point is because the closer you get to the "top" the more common it is to see major powers from enemies.

So WsW guarding something worth that much is not surprising at all. Even Spandam had to go through secret channels to get the 2 fruits he got for Kaku and Kalifa.

mate what do you think was the point of who's who revealing that the gomu gomu no mi was infact a devil fruit and an error of his resulted in its loss which unfortunately made the world government sanction a fighter who touts himself as a talent on the calibre of lucci back then.
why do you think oda wanted to reveal that bit of information now?
what do you think he is trying to tell the audience about the importance of the df to the world government?

comparing it to buggys df is asinine

 

[Paperchampion23]

That's what I'd like to believe but I can't help but sense the danger these new developments possess to the nature of the relationship b/w Shanks and Luffy.

Also, put all "Shanks is a snitch" believers on ignore. They're haters—we're not gonna fall for their tricks

I think Shanks was amazed by Luffy, no way Oda would ever step on that. This is why Shanks will never be evil or wishing Luffy harm, it will undermine the first bond of the series, the core.

Its definitely not about Shanks = Evil or Snitch nonsense. He still very clearly cares about Luffy to an extent.

However there is most certainly a betrayal of ideals coming. Shanks is definitely manipulating Luffy for some reason we can't explain, and regardless of what it is (good or bad), him discussing it with the Gorosei is not a good thing at all.

This is why I believe he's a morally grey antagonist, rather than straight up evil. He has good intentions, but it's the methods he does it that are not good. We know very little about Shanks, so I think it's appropriate to keep an open mind about it

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Lmao, this is so dumb. Luffy trained under Rayleigh, fought Doffy, and then fought Katakuri but Oda chose Kaido of all people to tell us what Luffy's fruit shouldn't be able to do.

 

[Natalija]

Effort? Shanks vs Who's Who?

I don't mean in that sense, but the lazy fun-loving RHP actually went to hunt something down. They even had a drawing of how it looked. So for whatever reason, it wasn't as unimportant to them as it initially seemed

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Effort? Shanks vs Who's Who?

She's talking about Shanks going out of his way to attack a government ship to steal a DF. Shanks doesn't pick fights unnecessarily even with pirates or marines, forget about WG. And he certainly wouldn't be worried about searching WG ships for treasures after fighting them.

 

[Paperchampion23]

mate what do you think was the point of who's who revealing that the gomu gomu no mi was infact a devil fruit and an error of his resulted in its loss which unfortunately made the world government sanction a fighter who touts himself as a talent on the calibre of lucci back then.
why do you think oda wanted to reveal that bit of information now?
what do you think he is trying to tell the audience about the importance of the df to the world government?

comparing it to buggys df is asinine

I literally talked about this. Oda does this constantly. He randomly brought up Momo's fruit with CP-0 about it being stolen from Punk Hazard, all to just set up the fact that Momo would turn large and be 2nd dragon threat. This was to get you thinking about Luffy's fruit, that is all.

The "important" information with WsW has nothing to do with him being imprisoned for 12 years, it has to do with Shanks stealing and him hearing about Sun God Nika.

Even WsW did not question why he was imprisoned, only that he was and it lead him to learning about Nika. I compared Buggy's fruit to this because even a shitty fruit like Buggy's is worth 100 million berries. It entirely is relevant to the conversation.

 

[Definitivo]

The government believed it was a random fruit until Shanks for some reason told them.

In fact, in the conversation with the CP0 they say that at the moment they only have rumors

 

[Gol D. Roger]

The government believed it was a random fruit until Shanks for some reason told them.

In fact, in the conversation with the CP0 they say that at the moment they only have rumors

We don't know if it was actually Shanks who told them. Shanks met them before Reverie so it makes no sense that they only started worrying like ten minutes ago.

 

[Herrera95]

She's talking about Shanks going out of his way to attack a government ship to steal a DF. Shanks doesn't pick fights unnecessarily even with pirates or marines, forget about WG. And he certainly wouldn't be worried about searching WG ships for treasures after fighting them.

Then explain his fights with Mihawk and even after he lost an arm he tries to challenge him.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

The whole thing is new concept, no indication of Luffys fruit being special until who's who randomly mentioned it

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Then explain his fights with Mihawk and even after he lost an arm he tries to challenge him.

Mihawk is his rival. You fight your rivals to best them because there is competition. It's a different story if you attack your enemies with no provocation. The reason why everyone trusts Shanks is because he's not that kind of guy.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

I literally talked about this. Oda does this constantly. He randomly brought up Momo's fruit with CP-0 about it being stolen from Punk Hazard, all to just set up the fact that Momo would turn large and be 2nd dragon threat. It was to get you thinking about Luffy's fruit, that is all.

The "important" information with WsW has nothing to do with him being imprisoned for 12 years, it has to do with Shanks stealing and him hearing about Sun God Nika.

Even WsW did not question why he was imprisoned, only that he was and it lead him to learning about Nika. I compared Buggy's fruit to this because even a shitty fruit like Buggy's is worth 100 million berries. It entirely is relevant to the conversation.

it was also to let us know the importance of his fruit in the grand scheme of things and it explains exactly why it matters to the world government now .

you dont get to pick and choose what's important out of wsw's bit of info
he himself recognizes the loss of the fruit was ultimately the reason why he had to endure those 12 years of imprisonment

 

[Herrera95]

Mihawk is his rival. You fight your rivals to best them because there is competition. It's a different story if you attack your enemies with no provocation. The reason why everyone trusts Shanks is because he's not that kind of guy.

When they became rivals? Mihawk was already famous during Roger's era, Shanks made his fame from his duels with Mihawk.

Shanks at some point attacked Mihawk or the other way around.

 

[Definitivo]

You're right about that, they should have given the order at the beginning of Wano.

Perhaps Zunisha's appearance convinced them of what Shanks said.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Lmao, this is so dumb. Luffy trained under Rayleigh, fought Doffy, and then fought Katakuri but Oda chose Kaido of all people to tell us what Luffy's fruit shouldn't be able to do.

Lucci outright said that Gear 3 makes zero sense