Questions & Mysteries Why did Luffy's fruit become relevant years after he became a famous pirate?

[Natalija]

Idk, if Im did, then its silly why he/she would never actually say to the Gorosei to kill Luffy.

Imo, it's possible Im knows about the fruit, just doesn't know what fruit it was "hidden" under. Maybe Joyboy used only its awakening at the time 800 years ago, thus never showing off "rubber" qualities as we see it now, but whatever it's true power is meant to be (oil, amber, etc. Idk)

Or, Im knew about the fruit but not how the awakening works. And now killing Luffy was a fatal mistake.

cause oda made it relevant along the way in the story nat.

he was still figuring out a way to defeat kaido(per previous interview) and this is one of the solutions He came up with; it just so happens to be one that leaves question marks as to why his df wasn't made a focal point at the start of the series if it was that important.

I mean he makes everything relevant along the way, that's how writing works. But rest assured that he definitely thought about Luffy's awakening ever since he invented DF awakening. That's a huge deal and he's the mc, no way this wasn't planned for a long time along with the Joy Boy thing.

 

[Roo]

A D. member who ate the Gomu, plus died, I really think those are the conditions for awakening

And that awakening is Joy Boy.


I do not think so, but we'll see

Lmao don’t doubt Oda would go the comical route for something as big as this

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Nah this has been very clearly set up at least since the Reverie.

I can tell you that I've been thinking about Shanks talking Luffy in 907 since the chapter happened. The question was about "what" could hey have been talking about in the end.

This is now seemingly answering "about Luffy's DF", if it was about Luffy. Oda's been very coy about not addressing Luffy's awakening. Nobody talked about it, even after Doflamingo and Katakuri. Nobody thought to bring it up.

This has definitely been an idea for Oda for a long time, especially since Joyboy as a character has been around since FI and it's been clear Luffy being friends with the Mermaid Princess, would parallel this person.

the gorosei already knew the df was important
they already knew the df was gomu gomu no mi(perhaps not the original name) even who's who could connect the dots
its why who's who was punished so harshly when it was stolen
you would have to believe its complete negligence for them not to be alarmed seeing him with that df as far back as prets. They only made a fuss about him being a D not the fact that he was using a highly treasured df stolen from the world government.


if it was an idea of oda for a while
sure did a "good" job of foreshadowing it by having absolutely no one give a toss about it till it mattered.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Or, Im knew about the fruit but not how the awakening works. And now killing Luffy was a fatal mistake.


I mean he makes everything relevant along the way, that's how writing works. But rest assured that he definitely thought about Luffy's awakening ever since he invented DF awakening. That's a huge deal and he's the mc, no way this wasn't planned for a long time along with the Joy Boy thing.

you can make things relevant along the way without adding inconsistencies in past events
thats the problem

 

[Natalija]

you can make things relevant along the way without adding inconsistencies in past events
thats the problem

This is not inconsistent yet though, Oda has yet to explain it and basically we're speculating without much proof what Gorosei know and since when.

 

[Paperchampion23]

the gorosei already knew the df was important
they already knew the df was gomu gomu no mi(perhaps not the original name) even who's who could connect the dots
its why who's who was punished so harshly when it was stolen
you would have to believe its complete negligence for them not to be alarmed seeing him with that df as far back as prets. They only made a fuss about him being a D not the fact that he was using a highly treasured df stolen from the world government.


if it was an idea of oda for a while
sure did a "good" job of foreshadowing it by having absolutely no one give a toss about it till it mattered.

There is no evidence that the WG knew Luffy's fruit was important. Them imprisoning WsW for losing doesn't suggest anyone knew or explained anything about it. They dish out harsh punishments for practically anything in this series.

This is why the Shanks scene is important, because it shows that something changed between them and Luffy once this happened. There is no contradiction about information we don't know about yet.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

This is not inconsistent yet though, Oda has yet to explain it and basically we're speculating without much proof what Gorosei know and since when.

i have explained why it is
gorosei knew it was important and stolen recently
they might not have known its real name but they surely know the name it goes by now
yet seeing luffy with it no one brought the issue up at all.

 

[Black Lord Sanji]

Literally easiest answer to your question/criticism and the what 90% of people are talking about if you read the thread:

It's not "out of nowhere" if you believe this scene was about Luffy. Them not knowing about it prior is not the point. It's them not knowing it was Luffy's fruit.

Oh I understand as I said in my second post it’s very possible he did but even if he did inform them of luffy devil fruit a lot of what we’re doing here is trying to tie up loose ends when for all we know that could’ve been a different conversation shanks had w the gorosei. Given the benefit of the doubt this was still a weak execution tbh. Like having to figure out why oda didn’t just indicate or hint at the importance of luffys devil fruit long before this arc as leaving things up to speculation in what could be a monumental info to this series is very whack to me.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I swear to God if they imply Shanks only bet on Luffy because he ate some God fruit and not because he truly believed in him, I'll never forgive Oda.

 

[Natalija]

I swear to God if they imply Shanks only bet on Luffy because he ate some God fruit and not because he truly believed in him, I'll never forgive Oda.

It's entirely possible Shanks knew what the fruit stood for, and had his doubts when Luffy ate it. But I think Luffy's smile and Roger-like behavior convinced him that Luffy in fact might be The One.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I'd say even Gorosei are dark on some information given how they responded. The best I can come up with is that they don't know GGnM is the Jesus fruit all along. They only learned it now via Shanks or Im.

As per why they went as far as punishing WW for losing GGnM, for all we know, Im could've ordered them to bring the fruit to him without revealing what it is and they punished him for failing in a mission that involves Im's direct orders.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

There is no evidence that the WG knew Luffy's fruit was important. Them imprisoning WsW for losing doesn't suggest anyone knew or explained anything about it. They dish out harsh punishments for practically anything in this series.

This is why the Shanks scene is important, because it shows that something changed between them and Luffy once this happened. There is no contradiction about information we don't know about yet.

"There is no evidence that the WG knew Luffy's fruit was important. Them imprisoning WsW for losing doesn't suggest anyone knew or explained anything about it. They dish out harsh punishments for practically anything in this series."

ah yes
they just assigned cipher pol agents to guard a fruit they didnt know the importance of , then punished them when it was stolen while not thinking the fruit had any importance whatsoever .

the logic in that is so flawless I admit.

rob lucci kaku didnt end up in prison after the events of ennies lobby did they ?
:shrugs:

 

[Gol D. Roger]

It's entirely possible Shanks knew what the fruit stood for, and had his doubts when Luffy ate it. But I think Luffy's smile and Roger-like behavior convinced him that Luffy in fact might be The One.

At this point, it's kinda obvious that Shanks knows something about GGnM given how he went out of his way to attack a government ship to steal the fruit. I just hope his trust in Luffy has nothing to do with him eating the fruit. It kinda undermines the bond b/w them for me.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I swear to God if they imply Shanks only bet on Luffy because he ate some God fruit and not because he truly believed in him, I'll never forgive Oda.

I think the implication would be he knew the fruits true function and told them. He bet on Luffy because of that, but also because of the fact that it's his destiny. Slightly different.

Imo, being already this manipulative already suggests it's not a completely altruistic action from Shanks, so regardless, I don't think you are gonna like it if it goes that route lol

 

[Gol D. Roger]

ah yes
they just assigned cipher pol agents to guard a fruit they didnt know the importance of , then punished them when it was stolen while not thinking the fruit had any importance whatsoever .

the logic in that is so flawless I admit.

Yup, no one was punished for failing to get their hands on Ope Ope fruit. No way they'd just take out a CP-9 member of Lucci's caliber just for failing to guard a random DF. Clearly, they know GGnM is somehow important but we don't know if they know it's important because it is Joy Boy fruit. A possible scenario is, Im asked for the fruit without telling them the details and they punished him for failing Im's orders.

rob lucci kaku didnt end up in prison after the events of ennies lobby did they ?
:shrugs:

Irrc, they tried to kill them, but CP-9 fought back and somehow managed to join CP-0.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

I swear to God if they imply Shanks only bet on Luffy because he ate some God fruit and not because he truly believed in him, I'll never forgive Oda.

could possibly be as a result of eating that df
he inherits boyjoy's will
it essentially is all the same

issue is you would have to wonder if thats the case for other df's

 

[Natalija]

At this point, it's kinda obvious that Shanks knows something about GGnM given how he went out of his way to attack a government ship to steal the fruit. I just hope his trust in Luffy has nothing to do with him eating the fruit. It kinda undermines the bond b/w them for me.

I think Shanks was amazed by Luffy, no way Oda would ever step on that. This is why Shanks will never be evil or wishing Luffy harm, it will undermine the first bond of the series, the core.

 

[Paperchampion23]

"There is no evidence that the WG knew Luffy's fruit was important. Them imprisoning WsW for losing doesn't suggest anyone knew or explained anything about it. They dish out harsh punishments for practically anything in this series."

ah yes
they just assigned cipher pol agents to guard a fruit they didnt know the importance of , then punished them when it was stolen while not thinking the fruit had any importance whatsoever .

the logic in that is so flawless I admit.

rob lucci kaku didnt end up in prison after the events of ennies lobby did they ?
:shrugs:

Guys, Devil Fruits are extremely rare. Even Buggy's DF was considered an extremely rare commodity and could be sold for 100 million Berries

The fact that you see "many" in the story at this point is because the closer you get to the "top" the more common it is to see major powers from enemies.

So WsW guarding something worth that much is not surprising at all. Even Spandam had to go through secret channels to get the 2 fruits he got for Kaku and Kalifa.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

you would have to question shanks goal here if he is the one that told them
stealing the df
knowing luffy ate it but waiting for luffy to get to the point where he is possibly more than a handful for the wg to handle before he reveals the real name to them.(not to mention how he knows the real name and they dont.)
not to mention his involvement with telling rayleigh about luffy which was influential in the latter's decision to train him.

regardless the wg should know that a fruit they valued was stolen was in the hands of luffy this entire time
and it was never brought up at all.
luffy's fruit not being rubber? kaido is also the first opponent to point it out.
just sounds too convenient.

 

[Natalija]

It now definitely makes a lot more sense the RHP actually went through the effort to steal a DF.